Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

flexcon · 05-09-2018 08:24AM

chicorytip wrote: »

He's around long enough to realise that and has the relevant information displayed on the dash in front of him. As far as I know he did not express any concerns over the radio. He was clearly fired up for the race and was going all out for victory but it was not failing tyres that ultimately cost him victory but rather his own lack of staying power.

Yeah his experience should have shown through you would have thought.

I remember on channel 4 broadcast, Karun Chandhok who I do have respect for as a technical commentator, said Kimi had a great history of Tyre management and typically went longer than anyone else. i do remember back in the Lotus days in 2012,and 2013 where he was incredible on making those tyres last although, I believe the car that year was generally good on it's tyres anyway.

Delicate balance between Ferrari telling you to push on push on. I suppose lastly, he wasn't pushing hard when he came out of the pits initially, so he did show his general style of slowing ramping the tyres up. He just got the push on from ferrari to override that urge and go for it.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-09-2018 09:15AM

flexcon wrote: »

Yeah his experience should have shown through you would have thought.

I remember on channel 4 broadcast, Karun Chandhok who I do have respect for as a technical commentator, said Kimi had a great history of Tyre management and typically went longer than anyone else. i do remember back in the Lotus days in 2012,and 2013 where he was incredible on making those tyres last although, I believe the car that year was generally good on it's tyres anyway.

Delicate balance between Ferrari telling you to push on push on. I suppose lastly, he wasn't pushing hard when he came out of the pits initially, so he did show his general style of slowing ramping the tyres up. He just got the push on from ferrari to override that urge and go for it.

Kimi has a great reputation of tyre management but he wasn’t told to manage the tyres. He was told to push to maintain track position and try to keep Hamilton behind. Hamilton had 8 lap fresher tyres and didn’t have to push because when Kimi kept the lead he had to back off. Kimi couldn’t keep him behind in the last few laps.

I do t think it’s fair to judge his tyre management on the monza race because he specifically wasn’t managing his tyres.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 05-09-2018 11:48AM

Vettel giving out again.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2514/vettel-slams-ferrari-and-raikkonen-i-have-to-race-three-cars/

Adamocovic · 05-09-2018 01:12PM

I know this may not reflect the opinions of most here but the bitterness and childishness between Vettel and Hamilton fans is gas at times.

Two of the best drivers to take to the track, both fighters and proven winners. Lucky we get to see them go at it, but unfortunate that Merc and Ferrari have such a domination on the championship.

Also on Vettel, people use the bottler tag on him, and yes he has made some mistakes that may cost him but they have mainly stemmed from him trying to make something happen. May not be the safe choices, or even the smartest tactically but it's good to still see a driver who attempts to make these moves. Who was it that said when you turn down an overtake chance you've stopped being a racer. Paraphrased of course.

And on Lewis, I'm self confessed not a fan of him, but completely respect him as a driver, was pretty much the same for Seb during his Red Bull days. People can complain about him, and his style but there is no debating he is one of the greatest drivers the sport has seen.

As with any sport you see these bitter rivalries break out, and no doubt when both men have retired people will look back at them both with high praise rather than the belittling of achievements that go on now. Really hope Vettel can close the gap and we are treated to a grand slam finish.

Adamocovic · 05-09-2018 01:52PM

OSI wrote: »

"Well, any smart person looking at all the irrefutable evidence from the very limited and conflicted exposure can guarantee my opinion is correct and everything you associate with is wrong and disgusting. Also your Mum's boyfriends dog is gay." - The internet when discussing anything.

:pac:

Sorry, currently in Italy and had the rant pent up in me about Vettel/Hamilton!

Seemed to have heightened last weekend. Reminds me of the Nadal/Federer fans during their years of dominance.

Burkie1203 · 05-09-2018 04:39PM

Hmmmm

https://twitter.com/ToroRosso/status/1037359418940305408?s=19

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 05-09-2018 04:42PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Hmmmm

https://twitter.com/ToroRosso/status/1037359418940305408?s=19

Buemi & Kvyat?

muckwarrior · 05-09-2018 04:44PM

Would prefer to see JEV in the seat ahead of either of those 2.

Harika · 05-09-2018 04:47PM

Hilarious how RedBull suddenly went into a lack of driver, where two years ago they didn't know where to put them.
Sainz moved to Renault and for some weird reason didn't go to RB. I think someone said that with Verstappen it will be hard to fill the second cockpit.
Latter might have been a reason why Ricciardo left, next to paycheck and Honda.
Gasly could have needed another season at TR and next to Verstappen is in danger of being burned out.
Kyvat was demolished and for his own sake shouldn't go back there.

So Buemi might be in the mix, who has a championship contender car in FE and LMP. Sounds like a deal like Hartley for me.

ELM327 · 05-09-2018 04:47PM

muckwarrior wrote: »

Would prefer to see JEV in the seat ahead of either of those 2.

JEV has already said no.

Buemi was nothing remarkable in F1 but he's taken FE by storm, wonder if he'd do better this time in F1

Joeface · 05-09-2018 04:56PM

Is the Toro Rosso 2019 seat actually a fairly attractive seat all things consider .

The Honda engine is OK now close enough to the renault and will improve. Toro Rosso can produce better car certainly than Mclaren or Williams can turn out for next year and take into account with next year engines +Suspension + rear of car will all be off the Redbull package directly .
Not a much pressure as your in the "feeder" team .and if Hartley is gone as well , its basicly a clean slate with a half decent car

The Car ran well at Spa , was running well in Monza during qualifing and may have gone ok in the race if Alonso had not damaged the car . so clear signs of improvement .

chicorytip · 05-09-2018 04:58PM

vectra wrote:

And as a matter of interest How many times did Kimi have to hand the win to Vettel to increase his points? How many DNF's did Vettel have this season?

vectra wrote:

Who is quite obviously the number one driver that gets preference.

Well, I've given my opinions and stand over them. I hope Kimi gets to depart F1 in a dignified manner and without bitterness. He has had a long and successful career.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 05-09-2018 05:08PM

According to Sky Italia sources Kimi was told last weekend he has lost his seat.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-close-to-2019-driver-announcement-reports/

chicorytip · 05-09-2018 05:15PM

rock22 wrote:

Contrast this with Mercedes being happy to compromise Bottas's race to aid Hamilton.

rock22 wrote:

With everything in their favour, Ferrari threw away the chance of victory at Monza. And almost certainly the drivers championship.

rock22 wrote:

Or am I reading this all wrong

Bottas was completely out of sorts all weekend.
You can't attribute blame to strategy when driver error was the cause :
1) The poor final lap in Q3 - it didn't matter which driver went first.
2) The inability to make the pass on Kimi before the first corner.
3) The collision with Hamilton.

vectra · 05-09-2018 07:43PM

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

Vettel giving out again.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2514/vettel-slams-ferrari-and-raikkonen-i-have-to-race-three-cars/

Or Not

Sebastian Vettel does not want Ferrari F1 team orders on Raikkonen

Frank Bullitt · 05-09-2018 08:53PM

Love the colours.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 05-09-2018 10:56PM

vectra wrote: »

Or Not

Sebastian Vettel does not want Ferrari F1 team orders on Raikkonen

Kimi might refuse to obey them for the remaining races, he’s got nothing to lose. His friendship with Vettel is probably a professional one anyway

g1983d · 05-09-2018 11:41PM

Harika wrote: »

Hilarious how RedBull suddenly went into a lack of driver, where two years ago they didn't know where to put them.
Sainz moved to Renault and for some weird reason didn't go to RB. I think someone said that with Verstappen it will be hard to fill the second cockpit.
Latter might have been a reason why Ricciardo left, next to paycheck and Honda.
Gasly could have needed another season at TR and next to Verstappen is in danger of being burned out.
Kyvat was demolished and for his own sake shouldn't go back there.

So Buemi might be in the mix, who has a championship contender car in FE and LMP. Sounds like a deal like Hartley for me.

I think RB were lucky they had verstappen locked in before they announced honda deal.
He was none too please about it

AMKC · 05-09-2018 11:52PM

g1983d wrote: »

I think RB were lucky they had verstappen locked in before they announced honda deal.
He was none too please about it

Maybe not but he ain't exactly happy with the current engine either and has called it a piece of sh!!t. It can't be any worse and might even be better. Honda I think are finally starting to build F1 engines again with power and reliability. I think the worst is behind for them.

Frank Bullitt · 06-09-2018 04:43AM

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

Kimi might refuse to obey them for the remaining races, he’s got nothing to lose. His friendship with Vettel is probably a professional one anyway

He has been pretty obedient so far, but at the same time his help might not be worth much.

vectra · 06-09-2018 08:28AM

Gintonious wrote: »

He has been pretty obedient so far, but at the same time his help might not be worth much.

Rumor on last weekend was that Kimi was told he is not going to be with them next year.
No idea if it is true or not. But if it was, then could we see more of Kimi hassling Vettel for a change?
It would be interesting to see how he races when the reigns are let loose.

Or it could be an interesting situation like Dani is in since he announced he is going to Renault next season, he seems to suddenly be the one with the reliability issues.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 06-09-2018 09:05AM

vectra wrote: »

Or it could be an interesting situation like Dani is in since he announced he is going to Renault next season, he seems to suddenly be the one with the reliability issues.

Daniel Ricciardo's clutch blew in Italy, is that a part supplied by Renault or Red Bull? Who supplies the gearbox? I assume whoever supplies that sends a clutch with it?

Red Bull are starting to remind me of the 1999 BAR team with all the breakdowns.

skipper_G · 06-09-2018 09:55AM

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

Daniel Ricciardo's clutch blew in Italy, is that a part supplied by Renault or Red Bull? Who supplies the gearbox? I assume whoever supplies that sends a clutch with it?

Red Bull are starting to remind me of the 1999 BAR team with all the breakdowns.

Red Bull make their own transmission

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 06-09-2018 10:01AM

skipper_G wrote: »

Red Bull make their own transmission

So sabotage, while very unlikely is possible in that area?

Harika · 06-09-2018 10:53AM

Rumours are saying Leclerc to be announced today

cherryghost · 06-09-2018 10:59AM

Harika wrote: »

Rumours are saying Leclerc to be announced today

That's been circulating since the weekend indeed.

ELM327 · 06-09-2018 11:20AM

Hope not, really think Kimi has done enough to keep that seat.
What do they gain by bringing leclerc up? Someone to challenge vettel ala Ricciardo? And Vettel moves on? Maybe this will prompt the vettel to mercedes/lewis to ferrari swap in a year or 2.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 06-09-2018 11:33AM

Is The Express a reliable source?

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1013833/Kimi-Raikkonen-leave-Ferrari-Sebastian-Vettel-Lewis-Hamilton-F1-news-Charles-Leclerc

El_Duderino 09 · 06-09-2018 11:51AM

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

Is The Express a reliable source?

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1013833/Kimi-Raikkonen-leave-Ferrari-Sebastian-Vettel-Lewis-Hamilton-F1-news-Charles-Leclerc

Yeah. It’s right wing and a bit sensationalist but I’d say it’s pretty reliable on this kind of thing.

We’ll see if the announcement comes to pass

El_Duderino 09 · 06-09-2018 11:57AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Hope not, really think Kimi has done enough to keep that seat.
What do they gain by bringing leclerc up? Someone to challenge vettel ala Ricciardo? And Vettel moves on? Maybe this will prompt the vettel to mercedes/lewis to ferrari swap in a year or 2.

Well I wonder if jules Bianchi has had an affect on Ferrari promotion policy.

Ferrari has always had a young driver program but they almost never employ drivers from it. They tend to go with headline stars at the peak of their career like Kimi, Rubins, Vettel, Alonso. They rarely take a punt on a young driver but they had earmarked Jules even though they never had the chance to promote him.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they have become impatient to use someone from the program and try to find a max Verstappen. The last time they employed a relatively young driver was probably Schumacher who was double world champion.

Kimi isn’t getting any faster so why not give the seat to Leclerc?

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