Ulster Bank League 2018-2019 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

D14Rugby wrote: »

Trinity give priority for accommodation and financial reimbursement depending on the scholarship level

They 100 per cent do not

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Thats the Trinity scholarships. DUFC award additional scholarships, funded externally by them, which is the main number of rugby scholarships and they dont give priority for accomodation with them

30 DUFC players received the trinity scholarship last year.

There are additional scholarships funded externally, but 30 is a hell of a lot.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Most of those are funded externally and arent directly funded by the university but by rugby club through bank of ireland scheme.
http://www.universitytimes.ie/2017/10/trinitys-sport-scholarships-still-leave-a-lot-to-be-desired/

Externally funded but they still fall under the Trinity Scholars program, where they get the same perks incl priority for accomodation and access to the High Performance resources.

There's additional "scholarships" on top of the 30 given by the college as well. These cover DIT and NCI also, who are both eligible to play for Trinity as a university. But they're more bursaries than anything.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Most of those are funded externally and arent directly funded by the university but by rugby club through bank of ireland scheme.
http://www.universitytimes.ie/2017/10/trinitys-sport-scholarships-still-leave-a-lot-to-be-desired/

So if the rugby club and not the university are funding these scholarships surely this is in breach of regulation 6?

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

They dont get perks about accommodation. Trinity doesnt have enough accommodation to be able to offer that many spaces for sports scholars especially with issues around accomodation in the city for students

Trinity college offer around 70 sports scholarships of varying degrees, every one of these recipients get priority accommodation if they wish, for at least first year unsure after that, along with various degree of fee refunds and other perks. Every year 30 of these recipients are male rugby players. These scholarships are sponsored by BOI.

DUFC then offer additional "scholarships" to players in other colleges that don't play club rugby which is basically just play for free, get all the gym and physio perks and that's it

Stainalert wrote: »

University accomodation is priced at a significant discount to market rates in Dublin so scholarship recipients are effectively receiving financial assistance if they get prioritised.

Well yes that's the point of a scholarship

Stainalert wrote: »

My point being that the financial value of the scholarship is being undervalued if prioritised accommodation is not taken into account.

They never give an exact value as it changes depending on what level scholarship you get

Has there ever been a comment from anyone on that sort of thing?

I mean if there was an exemption for them I wouldn't really have a problem with it at all.

6.6.2.2 A University may provide a Player with a bona fide academic bursary
or scholarship as a student at that University. However, a University
Club must supply to the Union full details of all students receiving
such a bursary or scholarship before 1st November in each year;

ArmchairQB wrote: »

No comment as they insist when challenged that they only offer educational scholarships and they would never breach rule 6 which IRFU & Leinster accept but which we all know that is is a comple & utter lie. AS current and previous holders of such scholarships tell us all the time no secret but cowardly of Union and Leinster not to pull them up on it. They have no appetite to take them on and are basically afraid to.

Not at all what happens

Stainalert wrote: »

The key here is the University is allowed provide the scholarship not the university club and that is clearly not the case. There is also no way these scholarships can be considered "academic" as the only reason for the scholarships being awarded is their rugby prowess

An academic scholarship can be granted entirely due to sporting achievements/ability.

Or am I misunderstanding and are all these guys not students of their university?

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Stainalert wrote: »

The key here is the University is allowed provide the scholarship not the university club and that is clearly not the case. There is also no way these scholarships can be considered "academic" as the only reason for the scholarships being awarded is their rugby prowess

An academic scholarship can be granted entirely due to sporting achievements/ability.

Or am I misunderstanding and are all these guys not students of their university?

No it can't - A scholarship granted based on sporting achievements/ability is a sports scholarship not an academic scholarship.

Stainalert wrote: »

The key here is the University is allowed provide the scholarship not the university club and that is clearly not the case. There is also no way these scholarships can be considered "academic" as the only reason for the scholarships being awarded is their rugby prowess

And that's what happens at trinity/DUFC. The University offer and award the scholarships that come with the condition of playing for the club. The club supply this list to the IRFU and its all cleared, what are you not getting here

D14Rugby wrote: »

And that's what happens at trinity/DUFC. The University offer and award the scholarships that come with the condition of playing for the club. The club supply this list to the IRFU and its all cleared, what are you not getting here

They are not complying with rule 6. There should be no conditions of play especially if linked to acourse that is what is defined as a material benefit in Rule 6. You will get a scholarship / subsidised Masters at 50% of normal value on condition you play for the University. If you don't you won't get it! That is a condition of play and if you look at registration / transfer forms you must sign that you are playing and not being provided with a material benefit. Point is it is not open to clubs to this and should not be open to university clubs to do this exclusively. It is illegal for all and no exceptions for universities outside of academic scholarships. No 3rd party is allowed provide a benefit either.

D14Rugby wrote: »

I actually quoted the section that explicit states they can offer scholarships.

Yes you did re Academic but not all Scholarships are academic that is the whole point you seem to be missing. How is €1,500 a year to 30 rugby players an academic scholarship in trinity or to over 60 rugby players in UCD?