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Idbatterim · 29-08-2018 03:43PM

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Social welfare isn't just the dole and lone parents' allowance. It also includes payments like child benefit and the state pension. Politicians love to buy the "gray vote" with increases to the state pension. They know that older people vote in heavy numbers, while young people are the least likely to go to the polls -- which is one reason why older people get far more from the state than the young do. Note for instance how the state pension was protected all through the recession years when the dole for under-25s was slashed to €100 a week.

yeah, look at the recent granny grant, the thousand or whatever it is, they want to throw at pensioners in a massive bribe. Instead of into a scheme to reduce child care costs, I have read so many articles, taking that idiotic barefaced, shameless vote grabbing scheme to pieces, but it doesnt matter to the politicians, all they care about is getting elected. The real problem here is and Ireland would probably be the perfect case study for it, democracy and populism, buying votes, when the only decisions taken are short term ones that benefit politicians and are against good practice, is it any wonder nothing works properly here?

Idbatterim · 29-08-2018 03:51PM

Shakey_jake wrote: »

I genuinely think a petition is the way forward and get it shared

This thread already has a view count of nearly 500k

I dunno, I'm not the best at perhaps wording things in bullet points as to what we are dis satisfied with but perhaps someone here could put together 5/6 points of change we can agree on and work from there

I agree, the below is probably the best option. Could get few hundred thousand signatures, wording would be very important. Would need a facebook page created for it too...

https://www.change.org/

na1 · 29-08-2018 04:27PM

Sardine wrote: »

Oh also in Germany if one of your kids is sick you just get a day off, you don't have to use your own holidays. They were unaware that was the case here!
Jesus like the Government really need to start helping good working people out with incentives to have kids. I know so many smart intelligent good guys like myself (I'm 38), with no kids and good jobs, but any local scumbag knacker from my area has had a litter of them ages ago. There's going to be a huge underclass developing.

In Germany you pay to social insurance funds a certain percentage of your income (same as here) but when you lose you job you will get 60-70% of your last income for several months which will keep you running paying all outstanding bills fees/mortgages etc. also there is no way a healthy person would be able to sit at home for 10+ years getting the dole for free.

Sardine · 29-08-2018 04:40PM

http://www.thejournal.ie/activists-housing-frederick-street-north-dublin-4208153-Aug2018/

I don't think these people are helping either. What do they want? A free house for everyone who chooses not to work?
I know for a fact if I lost my house and my job tomorrow, I'd do whatever it takes to find a job and somewhere to live, and regardless of the housing situation I know 100% I'd have something sorted quite soon. I'm sure a lot of us posting here could say the same.
With the lazy entitlement culture in Ireland, I fear that the more we do for these so called "homeless", the more will declare themselves as homeless and it'll never improve. Society needs to be whipped into shape.

29-08-2018 04:46PM

Sardine wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/activists-housing-frederick-street-north-dublin-4208153-Aug2018/

I don't think these people are helping either. What do they want? A free house for everyone who chooses not to work?
I know for a fact if I lost my house and my job tomorrow, I'd do whatever it takes to find a job and somewhere to live, and regardless of the housing situation I know 100% I'd have something sorted quite soon. I'm sure a lot of us posting here could say the same.
With the lazy entitlement culture in Ireland, I fear that the more we do for these so called "homeless", the more will declare themselves as homeless and it'll never improve. Society needs to be whipped into shape.

Paul Murphy thinks it’s a great place for resistance. Maybe he’ll sit in front of the door and stop people leaving?

pablo128 · 29-08-2018 05:04PM

na1 wrote: »

In Germany you pay to social insurance funds a certain percentage of your income (same as here) but when you loose you job you will get 60-70% of your last income for several months which will keep you running paying all outstanding bills fees/mortgages etc. also there is no way a healthy person would be able to sit at home for 10+ years getting the dole for free.

A lot of travellers are getting disability payments which is a way around being made work.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 29-08-2018 05:06PM

Sardine wrote: »

With the lazy entitlement culture in Ireland, I fear that the more we do for these so called "homeless", the more will declare themselves as homeless and it'll never improve.

Reminds me of this...

Idbatterim · 29-08-2018 05:10PM

Sardine wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/activists-housing-frederick-street-north-dublin-4208153-Aug2018/

I don't think these people are helping either. What do they want? A free house for everyone who chooses not to work?
I know for a fact if I lost my house and my job tomorrow, I'd do whatever it takes to find a job and somewhere to live, and regardless of the housing situation I know 100% I'd have something sorted quite soon. I'm sure a lot of us posting here could say the same.
With the lazy entitlement culture in Ireland, I fear that the more we do for these so called "homeless", the more will declare themselves as homeless and it'll never improve. Society needs to be whipped into shape.

they are heaping more pressure on and maintaining the spotlight on the housing crisis / farce or the fantastic opportunity as FG see it. The most comfortable, be it small time landlords all the way up to the vulture funds, being able to milk this crisis for all its worth, and take massive advantage of renters or want to be buyers, is bad enough, youd expect that. BUT the government being totally complicit in it, is a total moral disgrace. The vacant buildings, rubbish land use, no site value tax, apartments that are way too expensive to build for average joe to afford. Non of this has changed, dont expect anything to change with the housing crisis, except for it to get worse!

Idbatterim · 29-08-2018 05:18PM

that image, is visually representing, what I was saying! All of our votes are equal. Some of us pay in masses of tax, yet our vote are all equal. Of course they are going to go and try and buy off the masses! How their hasnt been a revolution here is beyond me!

This farce going from bad to worse, might prompt a new pro taxpayer party to start up, we can only hope!

topper75 · 29-08-2018 05:45PM

The Americans founded their country on the cry of 'no taxation without representation'.

I reckon it should also work the other way. If you are not paying income tax, I don't think you ought to be entitled to a say in elections (exception for retirees with critical amount paid in).

The recent proposal to give the vote to emigrants was nuts.

lmimmfn · 29-08-2018 05:54PM

topper75 wrote: »

The Americans founded their country on the cry of 'no taxation without representation'.

I reckon it should also work the other way. If you are not paying income tax, I don't think you ought to be entitled to a say in elections (exception for retirees with critical amount paid in).

The recent proposal to give the vote to emigrants was nuts.

Controversial as it is i agree with this. Those who contribute to society should be those who can dictate its direction and it's not like the working population like to see people poor or on the streets

Idbatterim · 29-08-2018 06:02PM

topper75 wrote: »

The Americans founded their country on the cry of 'no taxation without representation'.

I reckon it should also work the other way. If you are not paying income tax, I don't think you ought to be entitled to a say in elections (exception for retirees with critical amount paid in).

The recent proposal to give the vote to emigrants was nuts.

you reckon? emigrants with get up and go, initiative and skills, I.E the ones that would actually emigrate? the wastes of space unemployable's remain here!

keith_sixteen · 29-08-2018 06:20PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

I've actually run out of steam where Ms Cash is concerned, also the thread is slowing down noticeably.

dominatinMC wrote: »

That's inevitable really, her time in the limelight has come and gone. However, if even 10 - 20% of the posters here have become more aware of the failures in the social services system in this country, and the inadequacies of the media, then I would view that as some sort of (moral) victory.

LOL, victory is not a word I would attach to this thread....around 550 people have posted here. 20% = 110.

Great stuff, 110 posters, most of whom are already keenly aware of social services failures.

Like this guy:

pc7 wrote: »

My friend lost her job while pregnant, after having the baby she tried to get them into the local community creche so she could get back to work. They had no spots, some unemployed parents had full time places while not working (or looking, as they had never worked ever)! she got by with help from family and got back to work part time, she now has a place in said creche (part-time) while those that had full time places (not working) still have them. The system in parts is very very very broken. I don't know or if there is a will to fix it.

There isn't any will to fix it whatsoever. Social Welfare doesn't have the x-factor of abortion or gay marriage about it.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Laundry apologists live among us

https://deshocks.com/2018/08/13/laundry-apologists-live-among-us/

That author has a platform on 96fm in Cork

Larissa Nolan: 'Progressive liberals' now think it's okay to sneer at single mums

There is no such thing as proper journalism these days

These are the messages people outside of boards see. Nothing is going to be done to stop leeches like Cash, and nobody is going to challenge the media. Especially anyone on this thread.

Galwayguy35 · 29-08-2018 08:17PM

Sardine wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/activists-housing-frederick-street-north-dublin-4208153-Aug2018/

I don't think these people are helping either. What do they want? A free house for everyone who chooses not to work?
I know for a fact if I lost my house and my job tomorrow, I'd do whatever it takes to find a job and somewhere to live, and regardless of the housing situation I know 100% I'd have something sorted quite soon. I'm sure a lot of us posting here could say the same.
With the lazy entitlement culture in Ireland, I fear that the more we do for these so called "homeless", the more will declare themselves as homeless and it'll never improve. Society needs to be whipped into shape.

Should have known that garden gnome Murphy would be stuck in it, water protests are over now so he is desperate to remain relevant.

I wonder does anyone who has a job and pays tax vote for him?

Wheeliebin30 · 29-08-2018 08:37PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Should have known that garden gnome Murphy would be stuck in it, water protests are over now so he is desperate to remain relevant.

I wonder does anyone who has a job and pays tax vote for him?

And yet they get the loudest platform, fm 104 top headline.

How can such a small vocal group have such a say??????

I’m sick to my teeth of it.

Edgware · 29-08-2018 08:42PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Should have known that garden gnome Murphy would be stuck in it, water protests are over now so he is desperate to remain relevant.

I wonder does anyone who has a job and pays tax vote for him?

Only the demented useful idiots of the Left who dont mind being ripped off by the Cash' of this world

iamwhoiam · 29-08-2018 08:46PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Should have known that garden gnome Murphy would be stuck in it, water protests are over now so he is desperate to remain relevant.

I wonder does anyone who has a job and pays tax vote for him?

He canvessed at our door a few years ago . My husband who is not Irish and English not his first language , ran absolute rings around Murphy . He won every single point and Murphy was left speechless . He is not the brightest

padd b1975 · 29-08-2018 09:01PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Should have known that garden gnome Murphy would be stuck in it, water protests are over now so he is desperate to remain relevant.

I wonder does anyone who has a job and pays tax vote for him?

Elected to break the law don't you know.

It's actually quite scary that a democratically elected member of our parliament has such wanton disregard for a high court ruling.

Murphy and his comrades should be ashamed of their actions

n97 mini · 29-08-2018 09:11PM

keith_sixteen wrote: »

LOL, victory is not a word I would attach to this thread....around 550 people have posted here. 20% = 110.

Great stuff, 110 posters, most of whom are already keenly aware of social services failures.

There isn't any will to fix it whatsoever. Social Welfare doesn't have the x-factor of abortion or gay marriage about it.

I kind of agree with this... there have been a few comments along the lines of "someone should start a petition" or "someone should start a political party". People making those comments should replace "someone" with "I", otherwise writing those comments is a waste of time.

NIMAN · 29-08-2018 09:18PM

I see another family is on the 9o'clock news looking for a house.

Cash gone.
Step up the McDonaghs. The new flavour of the month.

tabby aspreme · 29-08-2018 09:22PM

Another homeless family raising their profile , The McDonaghs, on the 9 o clock news tonight. They only have three kids.

suicide_circus · 29-08-2018 09:27PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Another homeless family raising their profile , The McDonaghs, on the 9 o clock news tonight. They only have three kids.

amateurs

bobbyss · 29-08-2018 09:37PM

NIMAN wrote:

I see another family is on the 9o'clock news looking for a house.

NIMAN wrote:

Cash gone. Step up the McDonaghs. The new flavour of the month.

The fundamental problem with Travellers is lack of education.

That's the essence of the problem. Traveller organisation do little or nothing to promote education. They resort to the default: it's our culture to marry young, leave school early, get the dole, never work, have lots of kids to 'earn' money and condemn their kids to poverty.

Wanderer78 · 29-08-2018 09:38PM

bobbyss wrote:

The fundamental problem with Travellers is lack of education.

A lot more complicated than just education, but it is a part of it

humberklog · 29-08-2018 09:45PM

bobbyss wrote: »

The fundamental problem with Travellers is lack of education.

That's the essence of the problem. Traveller organisation do little or nothing to promote education. They resort to the default: it's our culture to marry young, leave school early, get the dole, never work, have lots of kids to 'earn' money and condemn their kids to poverty.

There was a Traveller representative addressing the pope in Croker at the weekend. Her jist was "it's all about education...please pray that someone will help with Traveller education."

It's there missus, it's called School and making them go and encouraging them is called parenting.

Wanderer78 · 29-08-2018 09:49PM

humberklog wrote:

It's there missus, it's called School and making them go and encouraging them is called parenting.

Our educational system already fails to meet the needs of a large proportion of our society, including travelers

Atlantic Dawn · 29-08-2018 09:50PM

bobbyss wrote: »

The fundamental problem with Travellers is lack of education.

That's the essence of the problem. Traveller organisation do little or nothing to promote education. They resort to the default: it's our culture to marry young, leave school early, get the dole, never work, have lots of kids to 'earn' money and condemn their kids to poverty.

We simply need the law in the country to lock up any parents letting their kids abstain from education.

NIMAN · 29-08-2018 09:52PM

humberklog wrote: »

There was a Traveller representative addressing the pope in Croker at the weekend. Her jist was "it's all about education...please pray that someone will help with Traveller education."

It's there missus, it's called School and making them go and encouraging them is called parenting.

http://www.paveepoint.ie/12275-2/

Missie Collins.

n97 mini · 29-08-2018 09:57PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Our educational system already fails to meet the needs of a large proportion of our society, including travelers

By large, you mean minority. Most people that go through it turn out fine.

Wanderer78 · 29-08-2018 09:58PM

n97 mini wrote:

By large, you mean minority. Most people that go through it turn out fine.

Are most people truly prepared for the workforce and adulthood post educational system?

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