Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

I genuinely think a petition is the way forward and get it shared

This thread already has a view count of nearly 500k

I dunno, I'm not the best at perhaps wording things in bullet points as to what we are dis satisfied with but perhaps someone here could put together 5/6 points of change we can agree on and work from there

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

He’s actually right.

Since I moved to Cork I have met some dole lifer parents.

Kids in the crèche for nearly 4 hours each day, cost €4 is a day.

Is that the ECCE scheme? - all kids are entitled to that parents working or not.

I'm one of the ones that paid in full, through the nose for creche from 11months right up to 5 years. And still pay - now at the much easier rate of €32 per day during the days school is out.

But the reason those kids with non-working parents get a free or very low cost place is to benefit the child, not the parent. Attending a montessori prepares them for school for everything from developing their pencil grip via fun activities to learning how to sit quietly for short periods, even toilet training in many cases.

It's really only offered by the government so that when September rolls kids are ready to sit in a classroom, pay attention to a teacher and learn. The fact it allows wasters to go back to bed until midday is a happy side effect for them.

For working parents, they get up to two years free too - it is only term time, 4 hrs x 5 days a week but it really cuts down your creche bill if your kid is in full time.

If the €4 a day is outwith the ECCE scheme, then it is a good way to get those who do want to go back to work into employment because if you look at the minimum wage rate, more than half of your take home rate would immediately be swallowed up by childcare so it's designed to encourage dolers back into work or people on a very low wage to stay working.

Does anyone know if Ms. Cash got a house in the end?

ELM327 wrote: »

I agree with the post below yours. A petition is the best way to go about this. We could easily get thousands of signatures if even 20% of those who profess to be angry on this thread sign it.

I agree that it would be a good starting point. We just need someone to draft it

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

I stand corrected then possibly.

There is 1 place on the southside of Cork City, the place this couple told me about, that does €4 a day for creche at 3 days a week and ECCE for 2 years which is completely free once all the forms are returns and the all clear is given by the relative bodies.

No, I think your right about free ceche places for children up to the age of 3 (when they then get ECCE). That's usually in community creches and paid for by the rest of us. I've read about a few of them in inner-city Dublin.
But your average mortgage slave wouldn't have access to them

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Fair play for paying the full whack though, must not be easy.

We were a fair bit stretched all right. I'm so glad it's over. My first ever monthly payment was something like €890.

We needed IVF if we were ever going to have #2. We tried the lower cost fertility treatments but they didn't work. But with creche bills like that making ends not even meet, how do you find the money to gamble on IVF then if you are successful and have a baby, then pay double what you can barely afford in creche fees for #2.

I've no idea how parents of more than one do it at all.

Sardine wrote: »

My 2 friends were home from Germany recently, both from Dublin but have lived in Munich for about 15 years now. They were telling me all about incentives over there to get working people to have more kids. I think it's 18 months or 2 years maternity leave, shared between both parents. Creches are subsidised and easily affordable for most people. They've been Germanised having been there for so long and were shocked at this whole Cash saga. That entitlement culture doesn't exist over there. They'll never move back here because of things like this. It's just such a poorly run country in many ways, for all the money that's coming in we should be doing a lot better, not just with helping working parents, but things like public transport, municipal facilities etc.

I forgot to add they've had 2 German born kids so they know the ropes over there.

You know what...being controlled by Germany doesn’t seem so bad now.
At least ze Germans would crack down on lazy ****ers.

Oh also in Germany if one of your kids is sick you just get a day off, you don't have to use your own holidays. They were unaware that was the case here!
Jesus like the Government really need to start helping good working people out with incentives to have kids. I know so many smart intelligent good guys like myself (I'm 38), with no kids and good jobs, but any local scumbag knacker from my area has had a litter of them ages ago. There's going to be a huge underclass developing.

Imagine Ireland followed the lead of a properly run country. No folks, the morons running the show here, will be further ballooning the welfare budget in October...

Sardine wrote: »

What's in it for them to boost welfare? Just to win votes? I can't imagine Mags Cash and her ilk voting?
I doubt there'll be anyone I can vote for in the next election, we shall wait and see.

ok, the vast majority of the electorate contribute very little in direct taxes. Those in welfare wonderland, all they hear from the media (telling them what they want to hear) is how its so awful here. Yeah thats exactly what I expect to happen, further welfare increases, exacerbating the situation.

There are some insane graphs and stats on just how much the higher income earners here and crucified, Ill see if I can dig it out later and Ill post it up here...

Sardine wrote: »

What's in it for them to boost welfare? Just to win votes? I can't imagine Mags Cash and her ilk voting?
I doubt there'll be anyone I can vote for in the next election, we shall wait and see.

Yep, I would imagine that the government ministers have some very well-educated (and well-paid) people working behind the scenes (in think tanks or whatever) who know how the electorate will respond to certain policies. Similar to how an economist can predict how a market will respond to changes, I bet there are socio-economic models to predict voting patterns. Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit! Anyway, the government are aware of the zeitgeist, which is that the PC brigade are currently voting in big numbers. Therefore, more liberal welfare policies will be embraced with open arms by them, thus ensuring more votes for the government.


That's my take anyway. I guess that theory is predicated on the PC brigade/left outnumbering the right in the voting stakes, so I'm not sure how accurate that is.