Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

boosabum · 28-08-2018 04:21PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure we all swelled with pride with the chaos that was our defence in the first half of the 2016 drawn game which led to two own goals and Kevin McLaughlin running to the Hogan Stand sideline with his arms outstretched roaring at McAntee "what the **** do you want us to do??"

Not much left to be said about the goalkeeping fiasco in the replay.

Harsh, kept Dublin to 11 scores in that game, two OG's and a number of frees.
If the ref had the guts to call the ball being touched on the ground at the death as a free in then who knows.....

Issue with the GK in the replay is he didn't take him off at half time

PressRun · 28-08-2018 04:27PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

PressRun wrote: »

Want me to name names? How about starting at the top?

Ya id like to you name names and also who you think should l them? Im genuinely interested who you think are the problems, i dont really know enough about them, you maybe do, i dont know. The only people that can clean them out are the Convention delegates.

I'd start with Connelly. Then I'd be taking a look at Vincent Neary and Paddy McNicholas. Neary and McNicholas both involved in the Holmes/Connelly controversy and should have walked away completely after that and yet both are still there, having their say. Neary in particular embarrassed himself during that debacle. GerMcHugh also a hanger on from that sorry period.
Not sure what Gerry Bourke is still getting out of the experience given his disgust with the handling of Holmes/Connelly, yet he's still there.

That's who I'd be starting with. I have no doubt there are others involved with certain clubs who are very self-interested as well.

padd b1975 · 28-08-2018 04:39PM

boosabum wrote: »

Harsh, kept Dublin to 11 scores in that game, two OG's and a number of frees.
If the ref had the guts to call the ball being touched on the ground at the death as a free in then who knows.....

Issue with the GK in the replay is he didn't take him off at half time

Possibly harsh, but let's compare him to the best manager in the game right now.

Do we ever see Jim Gavin making such massive calls based on such a small time frame?
Not a chance!
Everything is carefully calculated well in advance on the privacy of the training pitch.

Yes, Clarke's kickouts were poor late in the drawn game, but no way did he deserved to be judged so harshly on ten minutes of football.

Anyway, it's been discussed over and over so I'll leave it there.

On the replacement, I just can't see the county board going for McGuiness if he puts as much into the role as he did with Donegal.
Remember this is a guy who didn't get the job the first time he went for it because he frightened the life out of the Donegal CB with his plans. He really only got it second time around because no one else really wanted it despite some brilliant work with their under 21s.

yop · 28-08-2018 05:31PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

The county board members are:
Uachtaran Tom Maughan
Chairman Mike Connolly
Vice Chairman Seamus Tuohy
Secretary Dermot Butler
Assistant Secretary Ronan Kirrane
Treasurer Kevin O'Toole
Assistant Treasurer Ger McHugh
Public Relations Officer Paul Cunnane
Central Council Delegate Sean MacHale
Connacht Council Delegate Paddy McNicholas
Connacht Council Delegate Gerry Bourke
Youth Officer Vincent Neary
Cultural Officer James Gibbons
Development Officer Willie Kelly
Coaching Officer Liam Moffat
Hurling Board Chairman Jimmy Connor
East Board Chairman Ciaran Byrne
North Board Chairman Mick Herr
South Board Chairman John Farragher
West Board Chairman John Gibbons
Bord na nOg Secretary Ronan Kirrane
Bord na nOg Chairman Con Moynihan

I only recognise 1 name on that board. Are they a good representitive from all areas or are they all from the same club?

I'd know a good handful of them lads through playing with or for or been reffed by over the years. All good volunteers of course, and expensed as per any role like that.

BUT, the GAA is evolving, players are no longer lads without education, life experiences, know their own fitness and nutrition inside out, training methods, they are used to having top notch coaches who have all aspects of the game down to a fine tee.

I genuinely, without been a complete AHOLE, can't associate any of these lads with any of what is part of the now daily scope for any GAA player.
Maybe its the age profile, but the game has changed drastically since any of the lads know have been involved in any clubs playing or managing, refs can't get that sense.
So how can this board make an informed decision about what is best for a county team when from my view, their experiences is out of date.

As I said, these are volunteers, but you need a caliber to make big calls like they have done now with Stephen, you need to be fully informed and eligible to do that. The lads I know on that list are not.

ProudDUB · 28-08-2018 05:39PM

Would a lot of them not be retirees, as in most counties? They are the only ones with the free time needed to do the job.

monkeyman · 28-08-2018 05:43PM

PressRun wrote: »

I'd start with Connelly. Then I'd be taking a look at Vincent Neary and Paddy McNicholas. Neary and McNicholas both involved in the Holmes/Connelly controversy and should have walked away completely after that and yet both are still there, having their say. Neary in particular embarrassed himself during that debacle. GerMcHugh also a hanger on from that sorry period.
Not sure what Gerry Bourke is still getting out of the experience given his disgust with the handling of Holmes/Connelly, yet he's still there.

That's who I'd be starting with. I have no doubt there are others involved with certain clubs who are very self-interested as well.

Can't see 2 of those named above moving on, given they are Connaught Council delegates. Sure a few more years and they might make Croker!

monkeyman · 28-08-2018 05:45PM

yop wrote: »

you need a caliber to make big calls like they have done now with Stephen, you need to be fully informed and eligible to do that. The lads I know on that list are not.

Spot on - and I'd add "independent / non-conflicted" to that

maximus15 · 28-08-2018 06:33PM

This whole situation is a minefield!
We have known for years that there is some board members who should not be there and nothing has changed because no higher power to evolve such a process.
Then the precedent has been set since holmes/connelly debacle that allows the players to have a massive influence on the manager post.

Unfortunately we are used to speculating on how the big decisions have happened and who is fully at fault or the most influential in such and it's getting too frequent with the above mentioned debacle, the ladies furore this summer and now rochefords exit.
We have had no definitive answer to how each has gone down but both players and the boards seem to have some responsibility in each.

The post mortem after the kildare game seemed to show that the squad needs to be freshened big time next season and if some of the senior players decide not to retire after years of loyalty then some of them need to be told they may be best suited to impact roles late in games when they are won or lost.

Whomever comes in needs the freedom to do that and I fear that somebody within the county cannot do that with some much influence from players and clubs.
If the likes of mcguinness comes in we know he will do his own thing and loyalty to players will go out the window which no harm but the board will not let him do that.

All in all I'm not sure how this will work out for the best of the team in the future but hopefully I'll be proven completely wrong.
Either way it needs to be sorted soon and not drag on for weeks

charlie14 · 28-08-2018 08:07PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

what a total fook up ,, the relationship between them must be brutal after the CB statement today. Don't know what to think anymore.

4/7 in bookies for jim mcguinness

If those odds being so short are based on money placed I would look on it as fools and their money being easily parted.

Somehow I doubt McGuinness would be champing at the bit to take up a position where the previous manager has been shafted by a county board, and the management prior that to that ousted by a squad after one year in charge.

seligehgit · 28-08-2018 09:35PM

Sean Rice's article in the Mayo News is a must read.

Scathing of the County Board in both it's treatment of Stephen Rochford and in a historical context.

ProudDUB · 28-08-2018 10:56PM

Is it available online?

blinding · 28-08-2018 10:58PM

Dublin must be nearly done with that Gavin young fella .

If he wants a real challenge let him come down West .

He has enough done with Dublin .

seligehgit · 28-08-2018 10:59PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Is it available online?

Couldn't find it earlier.

But ask and you shall receive.:D

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/sean-rice/32565-history-repeats-itself-once-again

blinding · 28-08-2018 11:07PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Couldn't find it earlier.

But ask and you shall receive.:D

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/sean-rice/32565-history-repeats-itself-once-again

Basically Recurring Farce from the Mayo County Board .

Deja Vu all over again and again .

Ya won’t have to be mad to take the Mayo Senior Manager Job but it wouldn’t hurt !:eek:

PARlance · 29-08-2018 12:43AM

Excellent article.

Fr Tod Umptious · 29-08-2018 01:27AM

Read Rice's article.

I don't get why the CB wanted Rochford out so much as Rice implies they did.

What soured the relationship between Rochford and the CB much ?

On the point Rice makes that Rochford did not get Higgins, Vaughan or Diarmuid sent off, that may be the case in the literal sense but those sending off may point to a lack of discipline, which is something a manager needs to control.

Was there as many high profile, and early, sendings off in Horan's day ?
Only Keegan v Kerry springs to mind.

ProudDUB · 29-08-2018 09:18AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Read Rice's article.

I don't get why the CB wanted Rochford out so much as Rice implies they did.

What soured the relationship between Rochford and the CB much ?

On the point Rice makes that Rochford did not get Higgins, Vaughan or Diarmuid sent off, that may be the case in the literal sense but those sending off may point to a lack of discipline, which is something a manager needs to control.

Was there as many high profile, and early, sendings off in Horan's day ?
Only Keegan v Kerry springs to mind.

That was my first reaction to the article too. A manager has to take some of the responsibility for the discipline of his team. Certainly not all, but some. Rice is far too quick to absolve SR of all blame there.

Coillte_Bhoy · 29-08-2018 02:22PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Read Rice's article.

I don't get why the CB wanted Rochford out so much as Rice implies they did.

What soured the relationship between Rochford and the CB much ?

On the point Rice makes that Rochford did not get Higgins, Vaughan or Diarmuid sent off, that may be the case in the literal sense but those sending off may point to a lack of discipline, which is something a manager needs to control.

Was there as many high profile, and early, sendings off in Horan's day ?
Only Keegan v Kerry springs to mind.

This is what i dont quite get and have heard nothing about why it was the case. Not even a wild rumour ffs

Fr Tod Umptious · 29-08-2018 03:11PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

This is what i dont quite get and have heard nothing about why it was the case. Not even a wild rumour ffs

First I thought it might be the nature of the exit from the championship, the loss to Kildare.

But the general feeling I got from Mayo people was that that was something that was in the post and there was a certain amount of relief around it. We lost, so what, it was a wild ride, guys can get their summer back and clubs can get their players back.

Then I thought it might have something to do with the third convective loss to Galway.
He had lots of time to prepare for those games, losing once was put down to complacency, but losing three times was a bit of a habit.
Plus the red cards, both very much deserved, might not have sat well.

Losing to Galway early meant that you were playing Russian roulette with the qualifiers yet again, and no Connacht title.

Maybe that's what made the CB lose faith in him.

boosabum · 29-08-2018 03:51PM

Don't think they lost faith in him but it seems like he was finding it difficult to replace his backroom staff and what was finally presented wasn't awe inspiring when you consider that Breaffy haven't been achieving what would be expected from them.

The CB executive were not expecting the resignation or looking for it from what i heard, but then again i don't have the full facts to hand

Audioslaven · 29-08-2018 05:23PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

First I thought it might be the nature of the exit from the championship, the loss to Kildare.

But the general feeling I got from Mayo people was that that was something that was in the post and there was a certain amount of relief around it. We lost, so what, it was a wild ride, guys can get their summer back and clubs can get their players back.

Then I thought it might have something to do with the third convective loss to Galway.
He had lots of time to prepare for those games, losing once was put down to complacency, but losing three times was a bit of a habit.
Plus the red cards, both very much deserved, might not have sat well.

Losing to Galway early meant that you were playing Russian roulette with the qualifiers yet again, and no Connacht title.

Maybe that's what made the CB lose faith in him.

The loss in Connaught didn't help but ultimately I would say his new team were not viewed as good enough to maintain and improve the team. We know the players want the best and this could have been relayed back to CB when they met the three players. The CB feel this management team is not good enough, Rochford gets the drift from them (lack of support) and decides to pull plant.

A good few on here even mentioned that they weren't impressed with his new management team.

homewardbound11 · 29-08-2018 06:27PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Read Rice's article.

I don't get why the CB wanted Rochford out so much as Rice implies they did.

What soured the relationship between Rochford and the CB much ?

On the point Rice makes that Rochford did not get Higgins, Vaughan or Diarmuid sent off, that may be the case in the literal sense but those sending off may point to a lack of discipline, which is something a manager needs to control.

Was there as many high profile, and early, sendings off in Horan's day ?
Only Keegan v Kerry springs to mind.

I think SEAMUS was sent offf against Dublin in the semi in 15 I think there was another sending off also in that saga.

seligehgit · 29-08-2018 06:47PM

homewardbound11 wrote: »

I think SEAMUS was sent offf against Dublin in the semi in 15 I think there was another sending off also in that saga.

He was given a black card in the replay,grabbed Cooper by the collar and threw him to the ground.

Throw in Paddy Durcan's sending off in the Derry qualifier last year and the death of the semi final replay.

Discipline has definitely been an issue since James Horan's reign.

finisklin · 29-08-2018 07:45PM

Have any of the players come out in support of Rochford?

Think there was an article saying that Jason doherty did in the last week or so.

Loafing Oaf · 29-08-2018 07:50PM

finisklin wrote: »

Have any of the players come out in support of Rochford?

Martin Breheny seeing significance in the failure of that dog to bark. Doesn't sound like he really has the inside track though...
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-is-there-more-to-new-mayo-management-controversy-than-appears-on-the-surface-37262169.html

seligehgit · 29-08-2018 08:18PM

Mayo News Football Podcast 2018

Rochford Resigns.

https://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2018-08-29T06_39_44-07_00.mp3

If the main reasoning as outlined in the podcast for the machinations of the county board are to be believed,it truly is a terrible indictment of the officials.

Is it credible that the county board's decision making process would be so easily swayed by opinions expressed on social media?

Still can't get my head around this proposed hypothesis.We're in real bother if it is proven correct.

Although I was aware of a vocal minority who were anti Stephen Rochford's reappointment,I thought most Mayo supporters were willing to give him another year??

James Horan seems to be the sole candidate.Dream team with Michael Solan.

Mc Guinness talk is pie in the sky.

ProudDUB · 29-08-2018 08:33PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Martin Breheny seeing significance in the failure of that dog to bark. Doesn't sound like he really has the inside track though...
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-is-there-more-to-new-mayo-management-controversy-than-appears-on-the-surface-37262169.html

Was he not the mouthpiece that Holmes & Connelly aired their grievances through, which included a good few digs at the players?

I'd imagine they (and anyone close to the players with any insider deets) are staying well clear of him.

homewardbound11 · 29-08-2018 09:00PM

seligehgit wrote: »

He was given a black card in the replay,grabbed Cooper by the collar and threw him to the ground.

Throw in Paddy Durcan's sending off in the Derry qualifier last year and the death of the semi final replay.

Discipline has definitely been an issue since James Horan's reign.

Of rochfords teams . Boyle,doc,Mclaughlin,Keegan,Higgins , Vaughan.
I’m missing a few here ..cillian.

seligehgit · 29-08-2018 09:03PM

Great interview with Seamie on the second captains podcast.

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Secondcaptainsitcom/~5/D94XM0_cYL4/491299656-secondcaptains-ep-1249-seamie-oshea-on-challenging-the-dubs-tyrones-hope-rule-changes-27082018.mp3

seligehgit · 29-08-2018 09:14PM

homewardbound11 wrote: »

Of rochfords teams . Boyle,doc,Mclaughlin,Keegan,Higgins , Vaughan.
I’m missing a few here ..cillian.

Aidan got a red card at the death in Newbridge.

League or championship?

Can't recall Doc,Mc Lough's or Boyler getting red cards in the championship?

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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