Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

That was the thinking in Galway with Alan Mulholland a few years ago. We had just won an AI U21 and he seemed the logical choice. He took the senior job but threw way too many of that U21 team into the seniors too quickly. He also got rid of some of the established players too quickly. Not many of that U21 team have really thrived at senior level since (those hammerings by Mayo obviously left a mark). Tom Flynn is probably the stand out one who has stepped up at senior level. So I would be a little cautious about promoting U20 managers since I saw what happened with Mulholland.



Who has been managing Castlebar the last few years? Given their dominance, would their management team not have some chance of getting the Mayo job?

That is a interesting observation re Mulholland.

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Give the job to Solan.

They need to bring in whatever young talent is good enough or looks good enough to be brought in.

Solan has worked with that young talent and is more likely to be willing to make the changes required.

The opening 20 mins of the u20 final was a bit of a disaster but put it down as a learning experience for all involved.

That was the thinking in Galway with Alan Mulholland a few years ago. We had just won an AI U21 and he seemed the logical choice. He took the senior job but threw way too many of that U21 team into the seniors too quickly. He also got rid of some of the established players too quickly. Not many of that U21 team have really thrived at senior level since (those hammerings by Mayo obviously left a mark). Tom Flynn is probably the stand out one who has stepped up at senior level. So I would be a little cautious about promoting U20 managers since I saw what happened with Mulholland.



Who has been managing Castlebar the last few years? Given their dominance, would their management team not have some chance of getting the Mayo job?

That is completely specific to the individual. For example Jim Gavin went from U21 manager in 2009 and 2010( winning the all ireland) to senior manager in 2012 and he has done ok. 
One of Rochfords proposed backroom team was in charge of Mitchels the last time they made it to the All Ireland Final so he was going to be involved with next year but not sure now!

Anyone for Dec Shaw? Although I would prefer he stay with Mitchels

Solan had an U20 side last year. Crucially a year further away from senior. None of these were realistic prospects for the panel last year. Chances are they won't be able to break into what's still a top first 15 until 2021 or so. It was hardly a highly rated U20 side going into the season.

The transition of a successful U21 manager to a successful senior manager has historically worked when the manager has taken a top class group of U21s who are expected to be the bedrock of a future senior team (generally said senior team is at a low ebb and needs the injection of youth), worked successfully with them and integrated them into the senior set up. This happened in 2010 with McGuinness taking McHugh, McGrath, Mcloone, Molloy and Boyle forward with Murphy on that side also. He had a multitude of other connections with the existing squad also. Mickey Harte had two winning U21 sides which provided about 70% of his 03 and 05 panel.

You can't see this situation with Mayo. In the current climate the new manager will largely live or die with the efforts of the current group of players. By all means get a manger who will integrate fresh players into the panel but a big unheavel and focus on youth while the best group you've ever had are still capable of competing would be a mistake. Solan strikes me as the man for 3 years time. He's very young himself in any case

muddle84 wrote: »

That is completely specific to the individual. For example Jim Gavin went from U21 manager in 2009 and 2010( winning the all ireland) to senior manager in 2012 and he has done ok. 
One of Rochfords proposed backroom team was in charge of Mitchels the last time they made it to the All Ireland Final so he was going to be involved with next year but not sure now!

Arguably greatest set of under 21s in history coming through though.
2010 winning team had Rory O'Carroll, Johnny Cooper, James McCarthy and Dean Rock
2012 winning team had Jack McCaffrey, Ciaran Reddin, Davy Byrne and Ciaran Kilkenny
2014 team had John Small, Brian Fenton, Eric Lowndes, Niall Scully, Paul Mannion and Cormac Costello.

The amount of talent on that 2014 side is insane considering McCaffrey and Kilkenny were both still under 21 that year too.

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Solan had an U20 side last year. Crucially a year further away from senior. None of these were realistic prospects for the panel last year. Chances are they won't be able to break into what's still a top first 15 until 2021 or so. It was hardly a highly rated U20 side going into the season.

The transition of a successful U21 manager to a successful senior manager has historically worked when the manager has taken a top class group of U21s who are expected to be the bedrock of a future senior team (generally said senior team is at a low ebb and needs the injection of youth), worked successfully with them and integrated them into the senior set up. This happened in 2010 with McGuinness taking McHugh, McGrath, Mcloone, Molloy and Boyle forward with Murphy on that side also. He had a multitude of other connections with the existing squad also. Mickey Harte had two winning U21 sides which provided about 70% of his 03 and 05 panel.

You can't see this situation with Mayo. In the current climate the new manager will largely live or die with the efforts of the current group of players. By all means get a manger who will integrate fresh players into the panel but a big unheavel and focus on youth while the best group you've ever had are still capable of competing would be a mistake. Solan strikes me as the man for 3 years time. He's very young himself in any case

Did you forget that he won an U21 two years ago? By your logic, now is the time for him and that crop.

blinding wrote: »

How do you go about changing the Mayo Co. Board ?

They could certainly do with a shake-up .

Absolutely needs a clean out. Some of the same faces stinking the place out the last few years. If some big name is parachuted in or indeed even if transpires that it's being set up for Horan to come back, they all need to resign.

People are being totally unrealistic about the Co Board, their remit extends way beyond the county team, indeed thats only a tiny part of their job. There about 15/20 people on the executive but like it or not hey are all democratically elected to positions that entitle them to a seat on the exec and can be opposed any year but thats not going to happen because most clubs i dare say are happy enough with the status quo.

And how do the people shouting loudest actually propose to 'get rid of the county board', and who exactly are the county board anyway in their minds? The officers, executive, delegates? Who? Oh and who are you going to replace them with?

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Who and who?

Want me to name names? How about starting at the top?

Martina1991 wrote: »

The county board members are:
Uachtaran Tom Maughan
Chairman Mike Connolly
Vice Chairman Seamus Tuohy
Secretary Dermot Butler
Assistant Secretary Ronan Kirrane
Treasurer Kevin O'Toole
Assistant Treasurer Ger McHugh
Public Relations Officer Paul Cunnane
Central Council Delegate Sean MacHale
Connacht Council Delegate Paddy McNicholas
Connacht Council Delegate Gerry Bourke
Youth Officer Vincent Neary
Cultural Officer James Gibbons
Development Officer Willie Kelly
Coaching Officer Liam Moffat
Hurling Board Chairman Jimmy Connor
East Board Chairman Ciaran Byrne
North Board Chairman Mick Herr
South Board Chairman John Farragher
West Board Chairman John Gibbons
Bord na nOg Secretary Ronan Kirrane
Bord na nOg Chairman Con Moynihan


I only recognise 1 name on that board. Are they a good representitive from all areas or are they all from the same club?

Ah now :rolleyes:

Martina1991 wrote: »

The county board members are:
Uachtaran Tom Maughan
Chairman Mike Connolly
Vice Chairman Seamus Tuohy
Secretary Dermot Butler
Assistant Secretary Ronan Kirrane
Treasurer Kevin O'Toole
Assistant Treasurer Ger McHugh
Public Relations Officer Paul Cunnane
Central Council Delegate Sean MacHale
Connacht Council Delegate Paddy McNicholas
Connacht Council Delegate Gerry Bourke
Youth Officer Vincent Neary
Cultural Officer James Gibbons
Development Officer Willie Kelly
Coaching Officer Liam Moffat
Hurling Board Chairman Jimmy Connor
East Board Chairman Ciaran Byrne
North Board Chairman Mick Herr
South Board Chairman John Farragher
West Board Chairman John Gibbons
Bord na nOg Secretary Ronan Kirrane
Bord na nOg Chairman Con Moynihan


I only recognise 1 name on that board. Are they a good representitive from all areas or are they all from the same club?

Thats the co board executive and yes id say they are fairly representative

muddle84 wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance here, and also slightly off the current topic, but are these all volunteers? Are any of them full time paid positions?

One full time administration person who is not on the executive board as far a i know.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

So Horan is criticised for not being willing to change tactics, Rochford is for the exact opposite

I wasn't criticising Horan.
I was praising him for getting the players to buy into his system 100%.