Should we protest against the pope's visit?

Irish Kings · 25-08-2018 07:03PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Why the deflection? The buck stops with the church on this one. The fact that abuse was happening worldwide shows that.

Yes the church are responsible, but the state are the ones responsible for letting them away with perverting the course of justice in Ireland and covering up criminal bishops activity. The state is responsible for bringing criminals to justice and administering the criminal justice system and putting the Irish bishops responsible in prison. They have not even arrested a single criminal Irish bishop for questioning, never mind convict them.

Why do you not want them brought to justice ?

Sleeper12 · 25-08-2018 07:07PM

tylercheribini wrote:

Woefully misjudged visit, I really wonder what the end game of it was? A call to arms for the ever shrinking ultra conservative religious element of Irish society?

The visit might be a success yet but it was a terrible idea to drive through the streets of Dublin in the pope mobile. I don't see any articles about the tiny turnout on the streets but the film footage does not lie

tylercheribini · 25-08-2018 07:11PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The visit might be a success yet but it was a terrible idea to drive through the streets of Dublin in the pope mobile. I don't see any articles about the tiny turnout on the streets but the film footage does not lie

I dont think there will be any hiding the fact a large proportion of "pilgrims" at tomorrows mass will have come from abroad either.

Sleeper12 · 25-08-2018 07:16PM

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irishman86 · 25-08-2018 07:18PM

circadian wrote: »

Are you honestly trying to defend an organisation that has covered up child sex abuse, needless family separation, slave labour amongst other things that contravene the charter of human rights?

Seriously? The whatabouttery is poor and then the insults to try and deflect instead of having an actual coherent response makes me think you're on the wind up or a complete arsehole.

Where have i defended the church?
Im pointing out how the protesters are stupid

irishman86 · 25-08-2018 07:19PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

If nobody understands the point you're trying to make, it's fairly likely the problem isn't with them.

In this case sadly it seems to be the case it is them though

WinnyThePoo · 25-08-2018 07:29PM

Nope its you.

Sycamore Tree · 25-08-2018 07:43PM

When I see young people (20+) worshiping the pope I cant help but wonder how devout/controlling the parents must be. I mean given all the freely available information on the Roman organisation, it is an extremely hard sell or intense brainwashing to have young people signing up as active members.

lawred2 · 25-08-2018 07:44PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

When I see young people (20+) worshiping the pope I cant help but wonder how devout/controlling the parents must be. I mean given all the freely available information on the Roman organisation, it is an extremely hard sell or intense brainwashing to have young people signing up as active members.

they could be simpletons

tylercheribini · 25-08-2018 07:47PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

When I see young people (20+) worshiping the pope I cant help but wonder how devout/controlling the parents must be. I mean given all the freely available information on the Roman organisation, it is an extremely hard sell or intense brainwashing to have young people signing up as active members.

Any kids I know that were brought up like that backlashed against it twice as hard when they matured but yeah 20+ might be the point of no return.

irishman86 · 25-08-2018 07:51PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

When I see young people (20+) worshiping the pope I cant help but wonder how devout/controlling the parents must be. I mean given all the freely available information on the Roman organisation, it is an extremely hard sell or intense brainwashing to have young people signing up as active members.

Or wait for it, they wanted something to believe in
I find it hard to believe people openly support Liverpool but it turns out they do :eek:

tylercheribini · 25-08-2018 07:53PM

irishman86 wrote: »

Or wait for it, they wanted something to believe in
I find it hard to believe people openly support Liverpool but it turns out they do :eek:

Yea Liverpool have the history the Church do, dont remember Alan Hansen raping and torturing children.

ittakestwo · 25-08-2018 07:55PM

This getting quite sad now. If you are religious you will be called brainwashed or simple.

tylercheribini · 25-08-2018 07:58PM

ittakestwo wrote: »

This getting quite sad now. If you are religious you will be called brainwashed or simple.

One can be religious without continuing to validate an institution as morally reprehensible as the Catholic Church, yet so many still do and this is more than open to challenge.

irishman86 · 25-08-2018 08:02PM

tylercheribini wrote: »

Yea Liverpool have the history the Church do, dont remember Alan Hansen raping and torturing children.

So youre saying there was no child abuse in football, maybe educate yourself a bit more

Discodog · 25-08-2018 08:03PM

ittakestwo wrote: »

This getting quite sad now. If you are religious you will be called brainwashed or simple.

No. If you are religious & you lead by Christian example, few would say that. But this is total hypocrisy

tylercheribini · 25-08-2018 08:06PM

irishman86 wrote: »

So youre saying there was no child abuse in football, maybe educate yourself a bit more

Where exactly did I say that? Before you reel off another very tired apology for church crimes of "paedophilia exists in all professions with children/sections of society", there is absolutely no organisation or industry that even comes close to the continued depravities of the Catholic Church.

Achasanai · 25-08-2018 08:09PM

irishman86 wrote: »

So youre saying there was no child abuse in football, maybe educate yourself a bit more

Ah, the classic strawman argument. What were you saying previously about ignorance?

irishman86 · 25-08-2018 08:18PM

tylercheribini wrote: »

Where exactly did I say that? Before you reel off another very tired apology for church crimes of "paedophilia exists in all professions with children/sections of society", there is absolutely no organisation or industry that even comes close to the continued depravities of the Catholic Church.

I dont care about the church, where did i say that
I think people are idiots for protesting the pope coming here

irishman86 · 25-08-2018 08:19PM

Achasanai wrote: »

Ah, the classic strawman argument. What were you saying previously about ignorance?

That ye are ignorant.

Irish Kings · 25-08-2018 08:54PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I think that's down to the power the church had in the country until very recently though. I dont disagree with your point in general.

Edit: I do want them brought to justice, I just took your post as one of the ones deflecting attention away from the church but maybe I picked you up wrong.

You did.

I'm Glad you want justice for the victims, so do I

And how to we bring corrupt Irish Bishops to justice and have them trialed and sentenced for perverting the course of justice when the CURRENT state authorities and politicians won't even take in a single Irish Bishop past or present for questioning, never mind issue a search warrant of their offices, never mind charge, trial and convict them ?

How else do we get these criminals in prison if the state won't do their job TODAY ?

Why is the Irish media not asking these questions of our current Irish authorities while the Irish church management still gets away scott free ?

The high horse brigade · 25-08-2018 08:59PM

He's no Garth Brooks

Sycamore Tree · 25-08-2018 09:24PM

Discodog wrote: »

Varadkar's Speech

“In place of Christian charity, forgiveness and compassion, far too often there was judgement, severity and cruelty, in particular towards women and children and those on the margins.

“Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions and clerical child abuse are stains on our State, our society and also the Catholic Church.

“Wounds are still open and there is much to be done to bring about justice and truth and healing for victims and survivors.

“Holy Father, I ask that you use your office and influence to ensure this is done here in Ireland and across the world.“In place of Christian charity, forgiveness and compassion, far too often there was judgement, severity and cruelty, in particular towards women and children and those on the margins.

“Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions and clerical child abuse are stains on our State, our society and also the Catholic Church.

“Wounds are still open and there is much to be done to bring about justice and truth and healing for victims and survivors.

“Holy Father, I ask that you use your office and influence to ensure this is done here in Ireland and across the world.

“In recent weeks, we have all listened to heart-breaking stories from Pennsylvania of brutal crimes perpetrated by people within the Catholic Church, and then obscured to protect the institution at the expense of innocent victims.

“It is a story all too tragically familiar here in Ireland.

“There can only be zero tolerance for those who abuse innocent children or who facilitate that abuse.

“We must now ensure that from words flow actions. Above all, Holy Father, I ask to you to listen to the victims.”

He should of added Do you think that I am "intrinsically disordered" ?

Excellent speech from Leo. Fair play to him.

Irish Kings · 25-08-2018 09:28PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Excellent speech from Leo. Fair play to him.

yeah he's another one fond of words and no actions.
Under his watch, not a single criminal Irish bishop / former bishop has been questioned for perverting the course of justice, and prosecuted for their crimes by the state. And therefore nothing preventing them from doing it again.

lawred2 · 25-08-2018 09:41PM

Discodog wrote: »

Varadkar's Speech

“In place of Christian charity, forgiveness and compassion, far too often there was judgement, severity and cruelty, in particular towards women and children and those on the margins.

“Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions and clerical child abuse are stains on our State, our society and also the Catholic Church.

“Wounds are still open and there is much to be done to bring about justice and truth and healing for victims and survivors.

“Holy Father, I ask that you use your office and influence to ensure this is done here in Ireland and across the world.“In place of Christian charity, forgiveness and compassion, far too often there was judgement, severity and cruelty, in particular towards women and children and those on the margins.

“Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions and clerical child abuse are stains on our State, our society and also the Catholic Church.

“Wounds are still open and there is much to be done to bring about justice and truth and healing for victims and survivors.

“Holy Father, I ask that you use your office and influence to ensure this is done here in Ireland and across the world.

“In recent weeks, we have all listened to heart-breaking stories from Pennsylvania of brutal crimes perpetrated by people within the Catholic Church, and then obscured to protect the institution at the expense of innocent victims.

“It is a story all too tragically familiar here in Ireland.

“There can only be zero tolerance for those who abuse innocent children or who facilitate that abuse.

“We must now ensure that from words flow actions. Above all, Holy Father, I ask to you to listen to the victims.”

He should of added Do you think that I am "intrinsically disordered" ?

This Holy Father stuff is ridiculous

Seth Brundle · 25-08-2018 09:58PM

lawred2 wrote: »

This Holy Father stuff is ridiculous

I'm a believer that if you want respect then you need to earn it. However by referring to Frank as Holy Father, Leo is not offending those who look up to Frank. It's a political title effectively.

Hitman3000 · 25-08-2018 10:22PM

The high horse brigade wrote:

He's no Garth Brooks

That's alot of empty seats.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-08-2018 10:27PM

Only 82,000 are allowed in to Croke Park for health and safety reasons.

A good chunk of this number was on the pitch.

That is the reason for empty seats in the stands.

#notrocketscience

The high horse brigade · 25-08-2018 10:28PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

That's alot of empty seats.

For a closed event that couldn't be protested

Sleeper12 · 25-08-2018 10:32PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

That is the reason for empty seats in the stands.

Are you sure that people protesting didn't order tickets & deliberately didn't turn up?

My friends Ex & her mate have over 100 tickets for tomorrow's mass & will be binning them in protest. Another guy online claims to have 1000 tickets for tomorrow

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