Discodog wrote: » Varadkar's Speech “In place of Christian charity, forgiveness and compassion, far too often there was judgement, severity and cruelty, in particular towards women and children and those on the margins. “Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions and clerical child abuse are stains on our State, our society and also the Catholic Church. “Wounds are still open and there is much to be done to bring about justice and truth and healing for victims and survivors. “Holy Father, I ask that you use your office and influence to ensure this is done here in Ireland and across the world.“In place of Christian charity, forgiveness and compassion, far too often there was judgement, severity and cruelty, in particular towards women and children and those on the margins. “Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions and clerical child abuse are stains on our State, our society and also the Catholic Church. “Wounds are still open and there is much to be done to bring about justice and truth and healing for victims and survivors. “Holy Father, I ask that you use your office and influence to ensure this is done here in Ireland and across the world. “In recent weeks, we have all listened to heart-breaking stories from Pennsylvania of brutal crimes perpetrated by people within the Catholic Church, and then obscured to protect the institution at the expense of innocent victims. “It is a story all too tragically familiar here in Ireland. “There can only be zero tolerance for those who abuse innocent children or who facilitate that abuse. “We must now ensure that from words flow actions. Above all, Holy Father, I ask to you to listen to the victims.” He should of added Do you think that I am "intrinsically disordered" ?
Sycamore Tree wrote: » Excellent speech from Leo. Fair play to him.
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » I think that's down to the power the church had in the country until very recently though. I dont disagree with your point in general. Edit: I do want them brought to justice, I just took your post as one of the ones deflecting attention away from the church but maybe I picked you up wrong.
Achasanai wrote: » Ah, the classic strawman argument. What were you saying previously about ignorance?
tylercheribini wrote: » Where exactly did I say that? Before you reel off another very tired apology for church crimes of "paedophilia exists in all professions with children/sections of society", there is absolutely no organisation or industry that even comes close to the continued depravities of the Catholic Church.
irishman86 wrote: » So youre saying there was no child abuse in football, maybe educate yourself a bit more
ittakestwo wrote: » This getting quite sad now. If you are religious you will be called brainwashed or simple.
tylercheribini wrote: » Yea Liverpool have the history the Church do, dont remember Alan Hansen raping and torturing children.
irishman86 wrote: » Or wait for it, they wanted something to believe in I find it hard to believe people openly support Liverpool but it turns out they do :eek:
Sycamore Tree wrote: » When I see young people (20+) worshiping the pope I cant help but wonder how devout/controlling the parents must be. I mean given all the freely available information on the Roman organisation, it is an extremely hard sell or intense brainwashing to have young people signing up as active members.
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » If nobody understands the point you're trying to make, it's fairly likely the problem isn't with them.
circadian wrote: » Are you honestly trying to defend an organisation that has covered up child sex abuse, needless family separation, slave labour amongst other things that contravene the charter of human rights? Seriously? The whatabouttery is poor and then the insults to try and deflect instead of having an actual coherent response makes me think you're on the wind up or a complete arsehole.
Sleeper12 wrote: » The visit might be a success yet but it was a terrible idea to drive through the streets of Dublin in the pope mobile. I don't see any articles about the tiny turnout on the streets but the film footage does not lie
tylercheribini wrote: Woefully misjudged visit, I really wonder what the end game of it was? A call to arms for the ever shrinking ultra conservative religious element of Irish society?
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » Why the deflection? The buck stops with the church on this one. The fact that abuse was happening worldwide shows that.
irishman86 wrote: » It would be a waste of time here, i feel the best way is straight to the point and hope that they understand. I tried to make a comparison between past history and it went straight over peoples heads
irishman86 wrote: » Are you suggesting he did, a whole lot of guessing, which is a stupid way to decide anything
Seth Brundle wrote: » If Frank gave a toss about the law then as the bishop of Rome he would introduce mandatory police reporting to the Italian RCC. But he hasn't introduced this for some reason. In fact has he introduced something as simple as mandatory reporting anywhere? Did his predecessor? Or his predecessor? Etc. Actions speak louder than words!
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