Merging - who has priority?

Whatwicklow · 23-08-2018 04:00PM

Yield to the right. Cat A has priority

Gregor Samsa · 23-08-2018 04:07PM

bitchandmoan wrote: »

Check the motorway from Portlaoise to Dublin any morning 6 to 10am - two lanes stopped dead, next traffic light is in Belfast.
How do the rules work there?

Quite simple, you wait until someone lets you in.

bitchandmoan wrote: »

Most Irish drivers don't know lane driving anyway.

Given your other comments, this is pretty much the definition of irony

bitchandmoan · 23-08-2018 04:09PM

Don't mind all the do gooders - B must have priority, he is running out of road.
And it is not possible to drive by the rules of the road - they are only until you pass the test.

2Mad2BeMad · 23-08-2018 04:19PM

Something similar happened to me Tuesday.
I was merging South bound from finglas on the m50
Car in lane was a good 2-3 lengths behind. Coming up to merging (if anyone knows the finglas merge on southbound you'd know it's pretty long drive before you merge.)

I indicate just before the merge I'm doing 100kph and this girl decides to put the foot down nearly blocking me in. So I just forced my way in why would I hard break because some prat decides to increase her speed as soon as I indicated to merge.

heroics · 23-08-2018 04:24PM

bitchandmoan wrote: »

Don't mind all the do gooders - B must have priority, he is running out of road.
And it is not possible to drive by the rules of the road - they are only until you pass the test.

You must be just trolling at this stage.

heroics · 23-08-2018 04:25PM

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Something similar happened to me Tuesday.
I was merging South bound from finglas on the m50
Car in lane was a good 2-3 lengths behind. Coming up to merging (if anyone knows the finglas merge on southbound you'd know it's pretty long drive before you merge.)

I indicate just before the merge I'm doing 100kph and this girl decides to put the foot down nearly blocking me in. So I just forced my way in why would I hard break because some prat decides to increase her speed as soon as I indicated to merge.

That’s how you cause an accident. Just slow a bit join behind and overtake. If she was doing same speed as you it’s not a hard brake just slow down slightly. No point saying I’m right from the hospital (especially when your wrong)

TheChizler · 23-08-2018 04:27PM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Doesn't matter.

There is no roundabout where it's ok to keep in the left hand lane (of 2) and take the "3pm" exit as pictured in that thread.

Ah but that's not what I said. I'm pointing out how irrelevant it is to use a clear cut, well marked situation to prove a point about a different situation which, at the point of conflict, lane separation is ambiguous.

Remove the dotted line from your picture and we might have a better comparison.

Why essentially start a second thread on it anyway?

Gregor Samsa · 23-08-2018 04:28PM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

It's an ozzie road, they have different rules regarding markings & merging.

Over there- that layout gives car A priority - as it is here, but If the line ended before the close-dashes ; car B would have priority.

I've never driven in Australia, but do they have double white lines separating the carriageways over there?

Here's a screenshot from Google street view showing a merging lane coming to an end on the M1 on the way out of Melbourne. broken white line between carriageways just like over here. Maybe there's also situations with a double white line? Anyway no matter, we're clearly talking about Irish roads here.

Henry Ford III · 23-08-2018 04:29PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Ah but that's not what I said. I'm pointing out how irrelevant it is to use a clear cut, well marked situation to prove a point about a different situation which, at the point of conflict, lane separation is ambiguous.

Remove the dotted line from your picture and we might have a better comparison.

Why essentially start a second thread on it anyway?

I'm the O.P. here. It's a stand alone thread.

Thatnastyboy · 23-08-2018 04:45PM

phutyle wrote: »

I've never driven in Australia, but do they have double white lines separating the carriageways over there?

Here's a screenshot from Google street view showing a merging lane coming to an end on the M1 on the way out of Melbourne. broken white line between carriageways just like over here. Maybe there's also situations with a double white line? Anyway no matter, we're clearly talking about Irish roads here.

TBH phutyle, I didn't really pick that up in your post, I was focusing on the line between the merging lane and the main carriageway, the central line didn't even come to mind tbh, I have no disagreement on it, just in my error - wasn't what I was referring to at all.

Either way, my whole point was - broken line or not, car A is never required to switch lanes or take any action in Ireland - whereas they may be in the place where the OPs graphic comes from, depending on the line road markings at the end of the merging lane.

mikeecho · 23-08-2018 07:09PM

ME

Cos I have more powwweeerr and it's made in the reich.

I'm serious

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 23-08-2018 07:27PM

antodeco wrote: »

Now the interesting thing would be if A was a car length behind B!

Same rules apply, no matter where car B is on the merging lane. He/she doesn't have right of way here.

amcalester wrote: »

Car A is expected (by some/many?) to drive in the overtaking lane to avoid Car B completely.

Probably the worst "rule" to follow is expecting others to do anything really, expect the opposite

It's nice to give people room to merge if it's possible, but it's not mandatory. People get awful road rage if everybody doesn't accommodate them on the road.

bitchandmoan wrote: »

Anywhere else in the world - A moves out to let B merge.
In Ireland - A says B is not coming to my feckin lane, I am holding my feckin line!

Check the motorway from Portlaoise to Dublin any morning 6 to 10am - two lanes stopped dead, next traffic light is in Belfast.
How do the rules work there?

Just to piss of the do gooders
When I am B, I speed up a little more than A, get ahead of A, indicate right - and pull out!!! A can go where he feckin likes!
Most Irish drivers don't know lane driving anyway.

Well you are wrong there, so maybe you need to revisit the rule book? where is A to go in the picture? Or did you even look at it? There's 3 or 4 pages of posts, it's not that large of a thread to go through.

The Rape of Lucretia · 23-08-2018 07:52PM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

In the tone of Monica Geller : that's not even a rouuundabout !

Guy:Incognito · 23-08-2018 09:46PM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Doesn't matter.

There is no roundabout where it's ok to keep in the left hand lane (of 2) and take the "3pm" exit as pictured in that thread.

......unless the road markings say you can, like at the spawell roundabout (coming from orwell. In Dublin:) )

Wellington Ln
Wellington Ln, Templeogue, Dublin

https://goo.gl/maps/vXFavMbU4Hm

As for this thread, 7 people need to be publicly shamed.:)

cnocbui · 23-08-2018 09:51PM

I drive a Civic Type R. The situation represented by car B never arises.

Alanstrainor · 23-08-2018 10:15PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

......unless the road markings say you can, like at the spawell roundabout (coming from orwell. In Dublin:) )

Wellington Ln
Wellington Ln, Templeogue, Dublin

https://goo.gl/maps/vXFavMbU4Hm

I love junctions like that. It's very Irish. The rules are the rules, until they aren't, with no prior warning in the form of a sign, only an arrow on the road when it's too late to change lane.

The J Stands for Jay · 23-08-2018 10:21PM

bitchandmoan wrote: »

Anywhere else in the world, A moves out to an empty lane outside (as shown) to let B merge.
In Ireland, A says that B feckin won't come in to my feckin lane, I am holding my feckin line. - even when the outside lane is empty.

B is running out of road

When I am B, I get up to the same speed or more than A, get ahead of A, indicate to the right, and pull out. A can go where he feckin likes!!!!

In many other countries, drivers are specifically told that they should never move over a lane when traffic is merging. There's even road signs for it (can't remember if it's Australia or Germany).

dr.fuzzenstein · 24-08-2018 05:32AM

McGaggs wrote: »

In many other countries, drivers are specifically told that they should never move over a lane when traffic is merging. There's even road signs for it (can't remember if it's Australia or Germany).

Well, definitely not in Germany and I haven't seen any in Switzerland or Austria.
However, at a junction on the motorway that I drive every morning there is a solid white line that prevents people from moving into the outside lane.
Everyone will just move out before the white line, so it has the opposite effect that people will move as a matter of course and not only when traffic is merging.

Cookie_Monster · 24-08-2018 06:46AM

If it's Aus then B ain't gonna be stopping. A really needs to be driving a ute and just PIT him out of the way after that.

EPAndlee · 24-08-2018 07:04AM

cnocbui wrote: »

I drive a Civic Type R. The situation represented by car B never arises.

Your 16 year old girlfriend must appreciate it

cnocbui · 24-08-2018 10:18AM

EPAndlee wrote: »

Your 16 year old girlfriend must appreciate it

My daughter just got her leaving cert results, she appreciates it.

Stallingrad · 24-08-2018 10:43AM

A.

But if they were driving with due consideration they should have eased off to allow B to merge, given where B is and assuming B is making good progress.

The J Stands for Jay · 24-08-2018 10:47AM

Stallingrad wrote: »

A.

But if they were driving with due consideration they should have eased off to allow B to merge, given where B is and assuming B is making good progress.

You should never ease off or speed up. You just make it more difficult for the merging vehicle to adapt to the speed of the traffic.

Dravokivich · 24-08-2018 11:01AM

bitchandmoan wrote: »

Anywhere else in the world, A moves out to an empty lane outside (as shown) to let B merge.
In Ireland, A says that B feckin won't come in to my feckin lane, I am holding my feckin line. - even when the outside lane is empty.

B is running out of road

When I am B, I get up to the same speed or more than A, get ahead of A, indicate to the right, and pull out. A can go where he feckin likes!!!!

I watch what's on the road I'm going to merge into and pick a mark, I'm intending to merge in behind that mark, to minimise any disruption to their driving, and so I don't become something they can be distracted by.

Am I a rare breed?

Stallingrad wrote: »

A.

But if they were driving with due consideration they should have eased off to allow B to merge, given where B is and assuming B is making good progress.

If they've made it that far and A is the only other traffic to contend with, they haven't properly thought about how they were going to merge.

Stallingrad · 24-08-2018 11:15AM

McGaggs wrote: »

You should never ease off or speed up. You just make it more difficult for the merging vehicle to adapt to the speed of the traffic.

Assuming the merging car is making good progress and is in front of me I have no problem easing off to let them merge, not talking about braking, just lifting a bit. If they are that far into their move why would I risk a crash by slamming the door?

Dravokivich · 24-08-2018 11:18AM

Stallingrad wrote: »

Assuming the merging car is making good progress and is in front of me I have no problem easing off to let them merge, not talking about braking, just lifting a bit. If they are that far into their move why would I risk a crash by slamming the door?

If B is speeding into the merge, i'd ease off. But that's not to be confused with B making good progress. They are driving by brute force. "Progress" from the perspective of driving is about how your actions don't impede other drivers. They should see you and come in after you.

I'd expect B to be stationary in that picture, with A proceeding.

Henry Ford III · 24-08-2018 11:41AM

We don't know the speeds of the vehicles. Just thought I'd point that out.

mikeymouse · 24-08-2018 11:43AM

It's a bit like this junction here, and B must come to a standstill as he has run out of road , and wait for a break in traffic

Dravokivich · 24-08-2018 11:48AM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

We don't know the speeds of the vehicles. Just thought I'd point that out.

The thought process doesn't require it when we are demonstrating expectations. You can't rule to the exception where it turns out A was speeding and came into B unsighted.

cpoh1 · 24-08-2018 11:51AM

This is a slam dunk surely.

Would love to see a similar thread about overtaking lanes ending. Most people who sit in the overtaking lane ignoring the merging arrow as it ends think they have right of way over the driving lane when they dont.

Merging - who has priority?

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