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Merging - who has priority?

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  • #62
    Lackey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    whichever car I am in at the time

    No...whichever car I am in :D


  • #63
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Stallingrad wrote: »
    A.

    But if they were driving with due consideration they should have eased off to allow B to merge, given where B is and assuming B is making good progress.

    By the same logic why should b not have eased off or sped up to put themselves in the gap? They are the ones trying to merge.


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    We don't know the speeds of the vehicles. Just thought I'd point that out.

    Whatever the speed of a though , b has to adjust his to suit. So still bs issue.


  • #64
    Stallingrad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    By the same logic why should b not have eased off or sped up to put themselves in the gap? They are the ones trying to merge.

    The should have, but it looks like they are coming over, so I am going to ease off rather than slam the door. I understand I have the right way, that doesn't mean I can't let them in if it is safe to do so.

    I am also assuming that both cars are moving in that image. :)


  • #65
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    ...Whatever the speed of A though, B has to adjust his to suit. So still B's issue.

    Yes I agree totally.


  • #66
    Alanstrainor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,146 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Maybe it's not surprise that so many in the country get this wrong given that it is not something that is covered at all in the driving test. For a lot of people merging is a technique that is not taught, it is something that they put together themselves. Either by observation, or maybe they give it no real thought. Which leads to the madness we see on our roads. Not getting up to speed, stopping on on-ramps without good reason, not checking blindspots etc etc.


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  • #67
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Mockba wrote: »
    Hers form the RSA rules of the road.

    Joining the motorway
    When entering the motorway, be careful and pay attention, and let traffic already
    on the motorway pass. You must follow the steps below when joining a motorway.
    Use the acceleration lane to build up your speed before merging into
    traffic on the motorway.
    Signal early to other motorists that you intend to merge.
    As you approach on the slip road, check in your mirrors and your blind
    spot for a safe gap in traffic in the left-hand lane of the motorway.
    Obey road signs and road markings.
    Do not drive on hatched markings before merging into traffic on the
    motorway.
    Give way to traffic already on the motorway.
    Adjust your speed as you join the motorway so you match, as near as
    possible, the general speed of traffic in that lane

    A bit unclear. You're supposed to match the motorway car speed but then if there's no space you have to stop?


  • #68
    Dravokivich
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    Pussyhands wrote: »
    A bit unclear. You're supposed to match the motorway car speed but then if there's no space you have to stop?

    The objective is on you to merge safely.

    If you enter a road slower than the traffic. The other drivers will have to react to you and can potentially cause a pile up.

    If you can't enter. Stop and wait for a safe opportunity.

    I don't see how it's conflicting information. You should be able to identify pretty quickly where you can merge, or that you won't be able to and adjust accordingly.


  • #69
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    A bit unclear. You're supposed to match the motorway car speed but then if there's no space you have to stop?
    Give way to traffic already on the motorway.

    How the effing hell is this effing unclear?
    Which word in particular is troubling you? Give? way? Traffic? Or motorway?
    Well it is kind of a big word with more than 4 letters and several syllables. :rolleyes:

    But seriously. I fail to see how this sentence is in any way ambiguous, open to misinterpretation, difficult to comprehend or unclear.
    Unless you want it to be, of course.


  • #70
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    A bit unclear. You're supposed to match the motorway car speed but then if there's no space you have to stop?

    If you have to give way to someone, it means you don't just plough on like a mad shark. Giving way and ploughing on are mutually exclusive. They're opposites. If you're told you have to give way, you're being told not to pough on.

    Thinking "Well, I know I'm supposed to give way, but there were loads of cars and stopping is so inconvenient, and the rules don't expressly say to stop, so it's probably alright to just drive into them and hope for the best." isn't giving way.

    If you're instructed to give way, and there's no space for you to merge safely, then yes, you stop. Because just driving on anyway isn't giving way.

    I don't see what's unclear about it in the slightest.


  • #71
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Some of the posts here are actually quite frightening.


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  • #72
    newmember2
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    McGaggs wrote: »
    You should never ease off or speed up. You just make it more difficult for the merging vehicle to adapt to the speed of the traffic.

    I disagree...depending on my mood (and driving conditions), if I wanna ease off and let a merging car outpace my car so it can merge than I will.
    Pussyhands wrote: »
    A bit unclear. You're supposed to match the motorway car speed but then if there's no space you have to stop?

    If you come to a stop you join the motorway when there's a sufficient gap in traffic for you to reach motorway speed before the next approaching vehicle already on the motorway arrives.


  • #73
    grogi
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    Pussyhands wrote: »
    A bit unclear. You're supposed to match the motorway car speed but then if there's no space you have to stop?

    RSA at its finest.


  • #74
    Fieldsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Fieldsman


    The question is about as stupid as asking how much is 2+2 . I hope the OP isn't driving on our roads


  • #75
    mgbgt1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    The Mother-in-Law is gas to watch in this situation when she is Car B.
    She seems convinced that the Line to her Left is her Lane and just follows that until it becomes the L/H Motorway Lane.
    No Mirrors, no Indicating....just hugs this Line and joins the Motorway. Hasn't had a crash yet. Probably nearly caused a fair few though ;).


  • #76
    Akrasia
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    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    Maybe it's not surprise that so many in the country get this wrong given that it is not something that is covered at all in the driving test. For a lot of people merging is a technique that is not taught, it is something that they put together themselves. Either by observation, or maybe they give it no real thought. Which leads to the madness we see on our roads. Not getting up to speed, stopping on on-ramps without good reason, not checking blindspots etc etc.

    its frustrating when you're trying to merge and the car in front of you on the slip way to the motorway isn't speeding up and intends to join motorway traffic at 50kph

    Usually when I see this, I'll hang way back, build up a gap between me and him, and allow myself space to get up to speed before merging.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #77
    Gregor Samsa
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    Fieldsman wrote: »
    The question is about as stupid as asking how much is 2+2 . I hope the OP isn't driving on our roads

    The OP knows the correct answer, and is asking the question to make a point (based upon some very ill-informed knowledge of the ROTR by other posters in recent threads).

    13 people voted Car B, and a number of people on the thread questioned A's right of way. It's likely these people are driving on our roads. Maybe their arithmetic isn't up to much either.


  • #78
    ELM327
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    Of course it is A.
    B must yield to A as A is already on the carriageway

    Boards should send the list of the 13 people that voted B to the authorities to have their license revoked.


  • #79
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    EPAndlee wrote: »
    Your 16 year old girlfriend must appreciate it
    Nah m9 they've moved on to Corsas and maccy d's


  • #80
    Panrich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Panrich


    The problem in this country is that there is usually Car C to consider as well. The one that thinks this is the ideal time to join Cars A & B from the second lane of the motorway.


  • #81
    appledrop
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    The answer may well be A but everyone on M50 or M1 in Ireland thinks it B from my experience.

    There is a junction on M1 just before Swords that is a nightmare. It's a merging lane like this. Traffic busy on M1 and they bomb it down this lane + jump onto motorway without a care in world. I hate having to be in the lane beside them especially if BMW or Audi!


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  • #82
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    newmember? wrote: »
    I disagree...depending on my mood (and driving conditions), if I wanna ease off and let a merging car outpace my car so it can merge than I will.

    Ah yes, make it easier to merge by randomly varying your speed with your mood.


  • #83
    Alan_007_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Alan_007_


    Would B have right of way if there was a sign on the road like the one in the link below?

    https://images.roadtrafficsigns.com/img/lg/X/right-lane-merge-sign-x-w4-1r.png


  • #84
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Alan_007_ wrote: »
    Would B have right of way if there was a sign on the road like the one in the link below?

    https://images.roadtrafficsigns.com/img/lg/X/right-lane-merge-sign-x-w4-1r.png
    No


  • #85
    Dravokivich
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    You have to give right of way to whoever is in the lane you are joining. It doesn't matter if you are merging into the left or merging into the right.


  • #86
    Alan_007_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Alan_007_


    ELM327 wrote: »
    No

    Why though?

    From the sign, it would seem like A has to yield to B.

    The scenario I'm thinking of is the end of a dual carraigeway on the cork to mallow road just before rathduff.


  • #87
    Dravokivich
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    Alan_007_ wrote: »
    Why though?

    From the sign, it would seem like A has to yield to B.

    The scenario I'm thinking of is the end of a dual carraigeway on the cork to mallow road just before rathduff.

    Generally whichever road continues has priority. Just because you may be coming from their right, doesnt mean they yeild to you.


  • #88
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Alan_007_ wrote: »
    Why though?

    From the sign, it would seem like A has to yield to B.

    The scenario I'm thinking of is the end of a dual carraigeway on the cork to mallow road just before rathduff.

    A is not merging with b. B is merging with a.


  • #89
    grogi
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    Alan_007_ wrote: »
    Would B have right of way if there was a sign on the road like the one in the link below?

    https://images.roadtrafficsigns.com/img/lg/X/right-lane-merge-sign-x-w4-1r.png

    It all depends which lane ends. In the picture it is clear the car on the left is in one that ends.

    There are junctions, especially complex ones, where it is the right lane that merges into the main lanes on the left.
    If I recall correctly, M50/M7 is like that. In such case you'd see the above sign and the cars in the right yield.


  • #90
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Alan_007_ wrote: »
    Why though?

    From the sign, it would seem like A has to yield to B.

    The scenario I'm thinking of is the end of a dual carraigeway on the cork to mallow road just before rathduff.
    B is merging on to A's carriageway.
    Therefore B must give way to A


    The only way to override this would be an explicit sign, either a yield sign on the A carriageway or if the sign above clearly conveyed minor and major roads


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  • #91
    Cordell
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    Alan_007_ wrote: »
    Why though?

    From the sign, it would seem like A has to yield to B.

    The scenario I'm thinking of is the end of a dual carraigeway on the cork to mallow road just before rathduff.

    There's no such thing of yielding while on the motorway (providing that you keep your lane).


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