Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

mickdw · 22-08-2018 09:53AM

Kimi for the win.
All he needs is circumstances to take vettel out of the picture then he gets a fair chance.
The Ferrari is so strong this year that it would be odd if things don't align for him at least once.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2018 09:57AM

mickdw wrote: »

Kimi for the win.
All he needs is circumstances to take vettel out of the picture then he gets a fair chance.
The Ferrari is so strong this year that it would be odd if things don't align for him at least once.

He would have to be best if the rest including Hamilton. The cars are comparable but the Ferrari isn’t so much faster that it can make up for kimi’s deficit to Hamilton.

So you need Vettel and Hamilton to retire or be way down the order, and Kimi to be having one of his good days. Not even 50/50 I’d say.

vectra · 22-08-2018 10:04AM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Keep your money in your pocket

Don't count your chickens.
That Ferrari is still faster than the Merc and Vettel is a better driver than Hamilton if he can keep his cool :pac:

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2018 10:11AM

vectra wrote: »

Don't count your chickens.
That Ferrari is still faster than the Merc and Vettel is a better driver than Hamilton if he can keep his cool :pac:

I support Seb but I think Hamilton is the better driver. I think if Mercedes can give Hamilton a car that’s within a couple of tenths of Ferrari, he’ll win the title

vectra · 22-08-2018 11:17AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I support Seb but I think Hamilton is the better driver. I think if Mercedes can give Hamilton a car that’s within a couple of tenths of Ferrari, he’ll win the title

Hard to call.
If you remember Seb in the red bull when it suited him. He was on beatable.

Charlie-Bravo · 22-08-2018 11:33AM

I expect Kimi to show Vettel his knowledge and cunning of Spa this weekend. Spa is a great track, one of my favourite of the season, and Hamilton is likely to have a stumble with mounting pressure from the Ferraris. I will say a few years ago Hamilton had a stonker of a qualy lap to get pole - credit where credit is due. SO, Hamilton for pole, to get mobbed by the Ferraris in the race.

Joeface · 22-08-2018 11:40AM

AccuWeather for Spa @ the weekend ....could be interesting

Saturday
14°Hi RealFeel® 14° Precipitation 65%
Mostly cloudy, spotty showers; cool

Sunday
18°Hi RealFeel® 19° Precipitation 65%
Mostly cloudy, showers

Cool_CM · 22-08-2018 01:06PM

Joeface wrote: »

AccuWeather for Spa @ the weekend ....could be interesting

Saturday
14°Hi RealFeel® 14° Precipitation 65%
Mostly cloudy, spotty showers; cool

Sunday
18°Hi RealFeel® 19° Precipitation 65%
Mostly cloudy, showers

The funny thing about AccuWeather is that it never really seems to be accurate - at least on my phone anyway! :-)

mrsoundie · 22-08-2018 01:12PM

This forecast may be a little better.

vectra · 22-08-2018 02:07PM

astrofluff wrote: »

I expect Kimi to show Vettel his knowledge and cunning of Spa this weekend. Spa is a great track, one of my favourite of the season, and Hamilton is likely to have a stumble with mounting pressure from the Ferraris. I will say a few years ago Hamilton had a stonker of a qualy lap to get pole - credit where credit is due. SO, Hamilton for pole, to get mobbed by the Ferraris in the race.

That could very well be the situation, but if Vettel is second and Kimi is winning, even at half a lap, Kimi would unfortunately give it up.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 22-08-2018 02:13PM

It has to be recognised that Raikkonen is the King of Spa in the same way that Berger was the king of Hockenheim.

Over the last few days I have watched Belgium 1998,2005,2010 on Sky and to see how the track has evolved over the years is terrible.

The old bus stop chicane was fantastic as was the old grid which started on a bend.

Bring it all back I say.

Charlie-Bravo · 22-08-2018 02:24PM

vectra wrote: »

That could very well be the situation, but if Vettel is second and Kimi is winning, even at half a lap, Kimi would unfortunately give it up.

I don't mind that, and that's the way Formula 1 is these days. The Vettel/Hamilton decider for the last race is what I'd like to see. On paper it may say Vettel as the winner, but hardcore F1 fans will know the true winner. We should move to the Race thread for further discussion...

As an completely different thing, any news on FI and what is happening with investment/drivers/team structure?

Harika · 22-08-2018 06:39PM

https://www.racefans.net/2018/08/22/legal-problems-may-prevent-force-india-f1-team-from-racing-belgian-grand-prix/

Would have been too easy to simply sell it to stroll

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 22-08-2018 07:13PM

Harika wrote: »

https://www.racefans.net/2018/08/22/legal-problems-may-prevent-force-india-f1-team-from-racing-belgian-grand-prix/

Would have been too easy to simply sell it to stroll

Who were the last team denied permission to race in a grand prix weekend? B.A.R in 2005?

AMKC · 22-08-2018 08:41PM

Harika wrote: »

https://www.racefans.net/2018/08/22/legal-problems-may-prevent-force-india-f1-team-from-racing-belgian-grand-prix/

Would have been too easy to simply sell it to stroll

Awe that would be terrible and a pity. Hopefully it can be sorted before the race.

Harika · 22-08-2018 09:28PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Who were the last team denied permission to race in a grand prix weekend? B.A.R in 2005?

Phoenix racing https://www.unracedf1.com/phoenix-grand-prix-failed-f1-entry/

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 22-08-2018 09:58PM

Harika wrote: »

Phoenix racing https://www.unracedf1.com/phoenix-grand-prix-failed-f1-entry/

Ok I’ll repbrase, an existing team who already took part in the championship season

Harika · 22-08-2018 10:28PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Ok I’ll repbrase, an existing team who already took part in the championship season

It was basically an existing team, Prost racing of the season before. They bought all their equipment but were not allowed to compete.
BAR was banned for cheating.
Else had to be the FISA FOCA time where teams were excluded.

Harika · 23-08-2018 01:51PM

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/brawn-says-f1-may-delay-2021-engine-rule-change/3162650/?nrt=54
It seems Porsche lost interest with all the politics in F1 and we won’t see the engine rules changed for 2021.

https://wtf1.com/post/force-india-could-lose-all-2018-championship-points-to-continue-in-f1/
“Not Force India” could start as new team from Spa onwards as the takeover of Force India doesn’t work as expected. Realistically they still would be able to get to 6th maybe in the WDC.

H3llR4iser · 23-08-2018 02:42PM

...it would be great if they really called themselves "Not Force India" for the remainder of the season

Adamocovic · 23-08-2018 02:52PM

I know Perez and Ocon saying that it's business as usual but anyone have any idea how likely it is that Force India will be racing this weekend?

I'd say the rest of the lower teams are delighted.

Harika · 23-08-2018 03:20PM

Let's get freaky

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1032561679492677633

This deal should be finalised today if they get there. Two more teams need to signup for that.

HighLine · 23-08-2018 03:29PM

Fernando Alonso rejected Red Bull offer

A shame this didn't happen.

Jordan 199 · 23-08-2018 03:32PM

Harika wrote: »

Let's get freaky

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1032561679492677633

This deal should be finalised today if they get there. Two more teams need to signup for that.

Looks like Stoffel will be out of work then.

billybonkers · 23-08-2018 04:22PM

HighLine wrote: »

Fernando Alonso rejected Red Bull offer

A shame this didn't happen.

Not sure I really believe him on that one

HighLine · 23-08-2018 04:56PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Not sure I really believe him on that one

He seems convinced anyway

https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/1032655627133378560

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 23-08-2018 05:06PM

There's a bit more to the Alonso - Red Bull story I think.

Alonso was offered the Red Bull drive subject to Honda approval which wasn't forthcoming.

McLaren have a deal in place with Alonso that if they get their house in order sooner rather than later and produce a race winning car that Fernando can come back to it on the condition he stays in the McLaren family such as Nascar and they said if you go to Red Bull you aren't coming back for a third time. Not to mention you had 3 years of uncompetitive Honda engines.

If the Force India merry go round does occur in the next week I can see Alonso sacrificing himself for Vandoorne so that an F1 driver won't go an entire season without beating his team mate in qualifying.

Even if Alonso & Vandoorne remain at McLaren for the rest of the year and Vandoorne outqualified Alonso it would still be 12-9 so the battle is already well and truly won

Anyone care to add to this possible sequence of events?

meeeeh · 23-08-2018 05:31PM

HighLine wrote: »

Fernando Alonso rejected Red Bull offer

A shame this didn't happen.

Didn't Hamilton also say he had an offer from a rival top team? Considering how reluctant are Ferrari to change driver line up I suspect it was Red Bull stirring things up.

I don't think it was serious in either case.

flazio · 23-08-2018 06:14PM

I doubt Fernando would even get into a taxi if it had a Honda engine.

flazio · 23-08-2018 06:32PM

Please welcome to the Grid "Racing Point Force India."
https://www.racefans.net/2018/08/23/racing-point-force-india-f1/
Also, they don't inherit the points from Sahara Force India"

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