Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

gwalk · 21-08-2018 12:41PM

http://www.thejournal.ie/unemployment-benefits-across-europe-3625519-Oct2017/

people get far too much money to sit on their holes here

endacl · 21-08-2018 12:42PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm thinking that could possibly be a breach of human rights law as it could quite possibly be counted as a form of forced sterilisation via the fact that a person who would not go through it would end up without the supports they need that they are currently entitled to. so i'm not sure personally that this would be a runner.

Fair enough. Make it a bonus payment. An opt in system.

handlemaster · 21-08-2018 12:44PM

lots of empty property outside of Dublin to rent. ... perhaps a move outside of Dublin should be on the cards. Its not like there are any indications of wishing to work here.

PlaneSpeeking · 21-08-2018 12:49PM

handlemaster wrote: »

lots of empty property outside of Dublin to rent. ... perhaps a move outside of Dublin should be on the cards. Its not like there are any indications of wishing to work here.

We've had he whining about the travel to get the kids to school and she was living 4 minutes away from a LUAS stop.

No way will she move further. Utter waste of oxygen.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 21-08-2018 12:53PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

A pilot was carried out telling mothers that a reduction in benefits was in the offing if they did not declare who the father was. There was an exemption for domestic violence and rape cases. Reports of both skyrocketed during the pilot.

Many want to believe that the vast majority of people are scrupulously honest when dealing with the welfare system.

The reality is that many people will tell whatever fibs they have to in order to get the highest possible benefit. "I have no idea who the father is. I got drunk and had a one-night stand. I don't remember his name." Meanwhile the father is living down the road and in a relationship with the mother.

Similarly, the number of people claiming disability allowance in Ireland has increased 50% over the past ten years, with an especially significant increase in younger claimants. This increase -- entirely coincidentally of course -- took place after the government slashed the rate of Jobseeker's Allowance to which young people were entitled.

21-08-2018 12:57PM

handlemaster wrote: »

lots of empty property outside of Dublin to rent. ... perhaps a move outside of Dublin should be on the cards. Its not like there are any indications of wishing to work here.

She wants a four bed house in Tallaght. Nothing else will do. Some of her “friends” are advising her to refuse to leave her current abode until she gets just that.

jay0109 · 21-08-2018 12:59PM

Any IT readers here with a subscription to tell what the Great Fintan is lecturing us about this week?

Fintan O'Toole: Is the pope a Catholic? Most probably not
Church’s failure to embrace Margaret Cash is at odds with their teaching
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-is-the-pope-a-catholic-most-probably-not-1.3602145?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-is-the-pope-a-catholic-most-probably-not-1.3602145

maynooth_rules · 21-08-2018 01:10PM

jay0109 wrote: »

Any IT readers here with a subscription to tell what the Great Fintan is lecturing us about this week?

Fintan O'Toole: Is the pope a Catholic? Most probably not
Church’s failure to embrace Margaret Cash is at odds with their teaching
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-is-the-pope-a-catholic-most-probably-not-1.3602145?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-is-the-pope-a-catholic-most-probably-not-1.3602145

Jesus christ Fintan. I have never been so disgusted with anything in Ireland as much as I have been with the media's handling of this story over the past two weeks. They have been stomach turning.

Sardine · 21-08-2018 01:10PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

If you don't vote in a general or local election then you don't have the right to complain afterwards.

Well I'm not really complaining, I'd just like to see some change, but no one seems to be offering any new ideas politically.
Who are you going to vote for?

Patrick2010 · 21-08-2018 01:12PM

jay0109 wrote: »

Any IT readers here with a subscription to tell what the Great Fintan is lecturing us about this week?

Fintan O'Toole: Is the pope a Catholic? Most probably not
Church’s failure to embrace Margaret Cash is at odds with their teaching
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-is-the-pope-a-catholic-most-probably-not-1.3602145?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-is-the-pope-a-catholic-most-probably-not-1.3602145

Even without reading it you know what it'll be about.

The media in Ireland really speak with one voice now. I guess its easier to toe the party line than express a different message, see where that got Myers and Hook.

Skelet0n · 21-08-2018 01:14PM

https://www.facebook.com/events/1880671512048524/?ti=icl

See ya there lads.

Idbatterim · 21-08-2018 01:15PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But there is a welfare system in place for people who genuinely fall on hard times and the government should be commended for that.

Why should they be blamed when people abuse it and take advantage?

Leo called for tackling welfare fraud and Sinn Fein and the left lost their **** altogether telling us there is no fraud.

Then everyone says go after da bankers and the thing was scrapped.

The government tried to do the right and was shouted down again.

the system we have is a joke. You wont fiddle or mess around with the german system for example, the way they run loops around them here... They system is being massively abused, and it is massively abusive of people paying into the system, many who have never claimed a f*cking red cent from welfare and probably never will (myself and many others that I know, included)!

The media wont paint it this way, but many of us are suffering seriously reduced living standards to pay for it. Please name any other country, with such an aoutrageous marginal rate? where so few contribute so much? WITHOUT getting anything back for it... Forget the nordic model comparison, you actually receive something back there, thats the difference. There is no way there is any other country, operating on a level to this joke!

Seth Brundle · 21-08-2018 01:17PM

Sardine wrote: »

Well I'm not really complaining, I'd just like to see some change, but no one seems to be offering any new ideas politically.
Who are you going to vote for?

They havent published their manifestos so I havent yet decided.

Idbatterim · 21-08-2018 01:19PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

They havent published their manifestos so I havent yet decided.

more fool you! You remember Leo talking about USC abolition a few years back, rewarding the early risers. If its one of the established parties, I wouldnt trust them to tell me the time of day!

Ill vote for Renua, but if they didnt exist, I'd have a clear conscience and feel great knowing, that I didnt vote for one of those clowns or failures that will make up the Dail!

Sardine · 21-08-2018 01:20PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

They havent published their manifestos so I havent yet decided.

Well I wouldn't hold your breath if you think there'll be any hint of change

Fr_Dougal · 21-08-2018 01:38PM

Popped into a shop at lunchtime, “would you like to support the homeless?” All I could think of was this thieving tramp.

Idbatterim · 21-08-2018 01:41PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Popped into a shop at lunchtime, “would you like to support the homeless?” All I could think of was this thieving tramp.

Popped into a shop at lunchtime, “would you like to support the homeless?” All I could think of was this thieving tramp.

that could also be read for "do you want to help the homeless and the overpaid exes running the charity? "

Cork Boy 53 · 21-08-2018 01:50PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

they are, I liked their page ages ago, so get updates from there, now I get notifications on a nearly daily basis. They are very much still around...

I walked past Shane Ross in the local supermarket yesterday, used to have a bit of time for him, I certainly dont anymore! I felt like venting, but you know what? they dont give a ****! Until a viable alternative emerges or people demand change, we wont get it!

All they care about is getting elected!

As do politicians in every democracy in the world. Irish politicians are no different to anywhere else.

Grab All Association · 21-08-2018 01:56PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But there is a welfare system in place for people who genuinely fall on hard times and the government should be commended for that.

Why should they be blamed when people abuse it and take advantage?

Leo called for tackling welfare fraud and Sinn Fein and the left lost their **** altogether telling us there is no fraud.

Then everyone says go after da bankers and the thing was scrapped.

The government tried to do the right and was shouted down again.

Ms Cash is not committing fraud. She’s legally entitled to these payments unfortunately. It’s the system that’s wrong here. It’s is set up to be abused.

Fraud would be claiming JSA whilst working 30 hours a week or purposely faking illness or injury to collect illness or disability. Thankfully both are rare and the majority of welfare fraud you hear of is incorrect information given by either the claimant, department or changes in circumstances not notified.

Child benefit and lone parent payments are paid when you give birth to a child up until age 7 no jobseeking and CB until 18. All you’ve do is to have a child every 7 years and you can retire. By the time you hit the age you can’t do it anymore you’ll be almost under a decade away from a non contributor pension and the DSP won’t force you to jobseek as nobody will hire you to wipe their ass by then at that age

Skelet0n · 21-08-2018 01:56PM

Do travellers not live in caravans?

I thought that was the whole point and culture or whatever.

smurgen · 21-08-2018 02:02PM

I'm starting to wonder if this is all a ploy of the government parties to get the working taxpayer angry.turn them anti social welfare and pull the rug from traditionally socialist parties like Sinn Fein. The reporting on this case just seems so bizarre.

tom1ie · 21-08-2018 02:10PM

Just so I get this right. Fg are traditionally the right of centre party in Ireland with ff being left of centre and labor plus Sinn Fein being far left.
So, in theory if fg got a majority we should see more right wing policies and more benefit for working people? Or am I wrong here?

PlaneSpeeking · 21-08-2018 02:11PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Just so I get this right. Fg are traditionally the right of centre party in Ireland with ff being left of centre and labor plus Sinn Fein being far left.
So, in theory if fg got a majority we should see more right wing policies and more benefit for working people? Or am I wrong here?

I thought so which is why I'd intended to vote for them, but I am doubting it now.

Cantona's Collars · 21-08-2018 02:12PM

Skelet0n wrote: »

Do travellers not live in caravans?

I thought that was the whole point and culture or whatever.

When there's a free house available,their culture adapts very quickly.

tom1ie · 21-08-2018 02:15PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I thought so which is why I'd intended to vote for them, but I am doubting it now.

Yeah it seems crazy that a fg minister would come out with this Prsi hike just before an election coming in feb or around then. Is that not political suicide?
I know the hike is to fund state pensions but that money should come from welfare reform.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 21-08-2018 02:16PM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

When there's a free house available,their culture adapts very quickly.

The houses that are stipped of all their copper piping and used as stables for the horses?

Sardine · 21-08-2018 02:19PM

As much as I find it ridiculous the tax payer has to fund someone who's never worked and is having 8 children, what do people suggest we do at this stage?
Cutting welfare etc would mean the kids are even more likely to turn to crime no?
Those kids didn't ask to be in this situation. Maybe the authorities should make sure they get an education and maybe even make sure they are provided with some kind of mentors during their formulative years? A "big brother" mentor type thing? It's the only way they will learn of other ways to live your life. All of this is probably cheaper than keeping them in prison in the future.
Maybe discouraging girls to have kids so young would also help. I was cycling through the Sheriff St area of Dublin going home yesterday and saw a pregnant girl who looked no more than 18 or 19 and just felt really sorry for her, knowing she'll never get to experience so many things in life and will be stuck in the same narrow minded uneducated way of life for the rest of her days.

tom1ie · 21-08-2018 02:23PM

Sardine wrote: »

As much as I find it ridiculous the tax payer has to fund someone who's never worked and is having 8 children, what do people suggest we do at this stage?
Cutting welfare etc would mean the kids are even more likely to turn to crime no?
Those kids didn't ask to be in this situation. Maybe the authorities should make sure they get an education and maybe even make sure they are provided with some kind of mentors during their formulative years? A "big brother" mentor type thing? It's the only way they will learn of other ways to live your life. All of this is probably cheaper than keeping them in prison in the future.
Maybe discouraging girls to have kids so young would also help. I was cycling through the Sheriff St area of Dublin going home yesterday and saw a pregnant girl who looked no more than 18 or 19 and just felt really sorry for her, knowing she'll never get to experience so many things in life and will be stuck in the same narrow minded uneducated way of life for the rest of her days.

I wouldn’t feel sorry for her, she probably knows no different and wants to have kids and be a mother. The state promotes this way of life as there is no incentive to go out and work. We are taxed to the hilt to pay for houses and furnishing those houses etc and people in receipt of this live quite a comfortable life.

Wheeliebin30 · 21-08-2018 02:24PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Yeah it seems crazy that a fg minister would come out with this Prsi hike just before an election coming in feb or around then. Is that not political suicide?
I know the hike is to fund state pensions but that money should come from welfare reform.

Have you a link to her actually saying this would happen?

Faith+1 · 21-08-2018 02:24PM

gwalk wrote: »

can we not just put her on an uninhabited island somewhere off the coast?

I'm sure the Island wasn't uninhabited when they arrived there :rolleyes:

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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