NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

fritzelly wrote: »

Bit OT but you will probably know Marlow - who runs/manages the fibre link between the US and Ireland. Does that directly benefit Ireland for capacity

There are multiple links. It doesn't matter to the average user or to residential Internet Providers.

70-80% of our internet traffic is Ireland + UK.

Well, that's not entirely correct. But who manages these links doesn't matter. The majority of our Internet traffic is: Google (incl. Youtube), Netflix, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo and then caching services like Akamai and Cloudflare.

All of which bring their content to Ireland and for example hand it over at INEX.

That also explains to you, why especially Google and Facebook have invested in and bought large chunks of these submarine fibers. The other chunk is owned by banks and investment firms who want as low latency as they possibly can get. To be able to place trades milliseconds before others.

/M

ED E wrote: »

fritzelly wrote: »

Bit OT but you will probably know Marlow - who runs/manages the fibre link between the US and Ireland. Does that directly benefit Ireland for capacity

Voila

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

Wow, never realised there were that many cables

I was not aware of the cable from Galway to Spain until I saw that map today.

listermint wrote: »

Sure what do we need all this undersea fibre for.


Isn't wireless the future we can wireless across the oceans and stuff

Don't be pedantic now, did you not hear about
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starlink-internet-testing-high-performance-govt-aircraft/

listermint wrote:

Isn't wireless the future we can wireless across the oceans and stuff

imagine are going to make under water fibre obsolete

While the cost of rolling out fibre-optic cable is relatively easy to calculate, the big imponderable and the one that seems to be spooking potential bidders is the likely take-up of the new technology once the infrastructure is in place.

Despite the very public clamour for better broadband services, when companies such as Eir and Siro have actually built out into the countryside, the take-up hasn’t been as great as might have been expected. In some cases only 10 per cent of households passed by the new fibre technologies have actually opted to take up contracts with providers.

Typically, telcos target a 30 per cent take-up after 24 months, but there’s no guarantee. However, many of the 540,000 houses covered by the Government’s plan may be vacant or derelict or holiday homes, while many older residents may have little interest in paying for high-speed broadband. All of which makes predicting future revenue from the project difficult.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:e89xtibLisQJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/business/state-paying-for-misconceived-rural-broadband-process-1.3599721+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie&client=firefox-b

It's a little expensive currently in my opinion. The price is offputting. If they reduced the price to reasonable level everybody would be signing up.

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Where are you getting a 25% take-up figure on SIRO? According to this it's closer to 14%.

https://siro.ie/siro-delivers-1-gigabit-connectivity-to-park-developments-clay-farm/

Internal order numbers tell a different tale. Looks like, that the press release is actually an understatement, opposed to OpenEIR usually inflating their figures. Very much in line with SIROs general attitude though.

Uptake is a lot higher. Also, it has spiraled out of proportions since the Gigabit promotion was started. It now takes 3-4 weeks to get a connection with SIRO, that isn't in-situ, opposed to 3-4 days before hand. So the figures in that press release could be lacking a lot of the very recent installed customer base.

/M

listermint wrote: »

They passed the mother in law's house. The broke her own 3.5mb dw line . She's lost that crappy connection to an even crappier 1.5 and calling the technical support line to ask why her internet wasn't working was the only way she found out it was in the area.

She personally wouldn't mind paying for the decent connection but to say they are informing people isn't necessarily true at all . If people are not fore told about it and they don't actually understand what benefit it is then why would the average Joe be interested. 10 percent. Uptake is their own fault. Everyone has mobile phones they understand the need Eir needs to do a job educating and informing blaming the customer means you don't understand your business or market. 101

I agree with this ....... as they are going live in an area how difficult would it be to put up posters or such to inform communities about its availability?

Its not as if they don't have the poles to hold the posters

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I agree with this ....... as they are going live in an area how difficult would it be to put up posters or such to inform communities about its availability?

Its not as if they don't have the poles to hold the posters

Erhmm .. While posters are one of the best ways to advertise, they are not legal. The County Council fines the companies putting them up, when they see them. So even if Eir was sticking them on OpenEIRs poles, it still wouldn't be legal and could cost them 150 EUR or more per poster plus the cost of putting them up and then sending somebody out to take them down again.

Eir has been putting advertising on their VDSL cabinets though.

Eir has also been sending swarms of salesmen into these areas. Obviously many people may not be at home, when the rep comes around.

Do you know, how hard it is to inform your customers of new services, when they're available ? And the next thing that happens, is that they wonder off to the competition for a deal, that seemingly looks better (but may not be in the long run).

Also, do you know how hard it is to get an eircode from people, to actually be able to tell them, what service you can offer to them ? In rural Ireland the eircode has improved getting a precise answer drastically or ensure, that the engineer finds your home. Yet, over half of the people that you'd deal with don't know, don't want to know and guide you by landmarks adding an hour or two to your workday .. and then aren't at home, even when you've agreed an appointment with them.

So ... your point is a bit mute. People that are interested in a better service tend to be informed. People that are happy with what they have, tend not to want to be bothered about it.

westyIrl wrote: »

Just came across the following (oldish) article in relation to Australia's version of the NBP (the NBN). Just putting it here for the few that may find it interesting reading. https://www.telecomtv.com/content/broadband/the-90-000-question-why-australia-is-ditching-fttp-in-favour-of-fttc-16104/

Makes we wonder what will some locations in Ireland cost. Roll on September 16th.....

The NBN has turned into a bit of a political and otherwise disaster. You should read up on it. It's at the point of being a running joke.

/M

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

You can hardly see order numbers for other operators though?

Order numbers internally are globally in sequence (Psst !!)

/M

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

So eir can put advertising on their cabinets but not on poles?
Not even a plaque, permanently affixed to a pole, stating it carries fibre?

Anything that can be seen in an area regardless the time one might be present or passing, is probably the most efficient means of informing people.

Dunno about a plaque. But people ignore that the same as they ignore that yellow warning plaque about high voltage on ESB poles. How would you deem that in any way effective ? People don't even take notice of stop signs. Or handicap parking signs.

Once it's protrudes from the pole, it goes under the same law as political election advertising.

The cabinets however have a large nice surface. Still not very effective, but a lot better than a small plaque on a pole.

/M

Very hard to compare Australia to such a small country like our own with regards to any roll-out of broadband.

We have a very very small country in the grand scheme of things and a full FTTH roll-out will help the country into the technological age for the next century and beyond.

This is as important as the electrification for rural Ireland to help slow the population decline along the western seaboard as young educated graduates can stay in west Donegal or west Galway and be as connected to the World Wide Web as an office in Times Square in NYC.

We need this to happen for our future prosperity!

You're talking rural areas.

Yes of course I am as that is where the NBP is primarily aimed.

I am also very well aware of how the 'bush telegraph' works in such areas, and how information is spread and discussion takes place.

The cost to do what I proposed is minimal.