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How to Express our Displeasure with Politicians & Media

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  • 18-08-2018 11:08am
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    Kivaro
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    After waking up this morning to the wonderful news that Fine Gael and Regina Doherty wants to increase our PRSI contributions in order to pay for welfare benefits, I decided to contact the TD and the Fine Geal party in order to express my displeasure.

    In a week when the Department of Social Protection declared that the country is overly dependent on social welfare payments, and when we get the news that an unemployed mother of seven can receive over €54,000 in tax-free benefits, Regina Doherty decides to announce this plan.

    TD Doherty's email address is here: regina.doherty@oir.ie
    Other contact information for her is here.
    And the Fine Gael party can be contacted here: finegael@finegael.ie

    To date, there are 345 'likes' on the first post of the Margaret Cash thread.
    If 345 people contacted various politicians, political parties, councillors, news sources, newspaper editors, advertisers etc. on a particular topic, then I can assure you that our displeasure would be heard.

    In order to offset the very loud hysterical voices of the socialists/left parties, those of us who live in the real world need to be heard. If you do not voice your opinion, then we are complicit in the direction that the country is heading.

    Disclaimer: When the vast majority express our displeasure with overly generous social welfare benefits, we are generally not talking about pensioners, people temporarily on the dole, and other deserving members of our society.


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    Outlaw Pete
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    buried
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    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    vicwatson
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    Two words - Regina Doherty


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    Idbatterim
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    Disclaimer: When the vast majority express our displeasure with overly generous social welfare benefits, we are generally not talking about pensioners, people temporarily on the dole, and other deserving members of our society.

    The OAP shouldnt be increased, the most comfortable group in our society, its only relentlessly increased to buy votes. Then you have the others "haves" Margaret Ca$h and her ilk, doesnt have to work and with guaranteed income! How those populists f**ckers dare paint those on welfare as "vulnerable" in this country!

    the core issue he is no competition, do you seen an option of a party that will look after the tax payer here? that is precisely why they can get away with this ****!


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    _Brian
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    Vote, get your friends out to vote, this is how we show displeasure to politicians, emails and letters rarely make it to them but rather filtered through by secretaries.

    The bigger problem is the growing entitlement brigade, they are growing in force and numbers and politicians are listening to them as a voting block. So free houses - SW increases and more taxes on tue worker will be common no matter who is in power.


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    dxhound2005
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    Kivaro wrote: »

    Disclaimer: When the vast majority express our displeasure with overly generous social welfare benefits, we are generally not talking about pensioners, people temporarily on the dole, and other deserving members of our society.

    Pensioners are richer now than working people. Is it OK to say that?


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    tayto lover
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    So much for the man who gets out of bed early to go to work. The fool.


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    _Brian
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Pensioners are richer now than working people. Is it OK to say that?

    But it’s not always true.
    My mum is a lone pensioner and isn’t well off, budgeting right and dig ours from kids to keep her going.


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    Jimbob1977
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    Vote in a general election

    The best way to shake things up (not always for the best)


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    tayto lover
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Pensioners are richer now than working people. Is it OK to say that?

    Pensioners are mainly people who worked all their lives and paid taxes.
    Do you think they don't deserve it?


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    duffman13
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    _Brian wrote: »
    Vote, get your friends out to vote, this is how we show displeasure to politicians, emails and letters rarely make it to them but rather filtered through by secretaries.

    The bigger problem is the growing entitlement brigade, they are growing in force and numbers and politicians are listening to them as a voting block. So free houses - SW increases and more taxes on tue worker will be common no matter who is in power.

    Can I ask a question and not particularly aimed at you but who do we vote for? All the established parties are afraid to upset the social media and bleeding heart brigade. I'd happily vote for some party who gives us progressive policies and looking at making wholesale changes to our country, but at this point in time there is no party with the political courage to do this.

    The alternative is to vote for some of these socialist parties who are tbh well intentioned but would lead us on the road to ruin. These guys are clueless and offer nothing but what they deem to be popular amongst there base of supporters


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    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Vote in a general election

    The best way to shake things up (not always for the best)

    That right vote.
    Vote for FG, they'll look after us.
    Vote for Regina Doherty FG, she'll look after us.

    Yeh, right.


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    dxhound2005
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Pensioners are mainly people who worked all their lives and paid taxes.
    Do you think they don't deserve it?

    The taxes they paid were to fund the current expenditure, not to fund their retirement. The working population of the present are doing that.

    It is unsustainable with far more retired in the population to be supported by fewer workers in the future.


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    Nermal
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    The best way to show your displeasure to both groups is to deprive them of money.

    Block ads. Don't pay for media. Minimise, avoid and if you safely can, evade taxes. Starve the beast.


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    _Brian
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    duffman13 wrote: »
    Can I ask a question and not particularly aimed at you but who do we vote for? All the established parties are afraid to upset the social media and bleeding heart brigade. I'd happily vote for some party who gives us progressive policies and looking at making wholesale changes to our country, but at this point in time there is no party with the political courage to do this.

    The alternative is to vote for some of these socialist parties who are tbh well intentioned but would lead us on the road to ruin. These guys are clueless and offer nothing but what they deem to be popular amongst there base of supporters

    THAT was my point.
    Our immediate and medium term future will see pandering to the entitlement brigade as they now seem to have great numbers and sway with politicians and media.

    Increases in SW and taxes are on the cards.


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    dav3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Yes! Another angry letter, keep them coming.

    If you could just get the poor, the homeless, the old and the disabled to pay more, there'll be more money for you.


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    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Vote, get your friends out to vote, this is how we show displeasure to politicians, emails and letters rarely make it to them but rather filtered through by secretaries.

    The bigger problem is the growing entitlement brigade, they are growing in force and numbers and politicians are listening to them as a voting block. So free houses - SW increases and more taxes on tue worker will be common no matter who is in power.

    delusional, all of it! Many comments have also said the same thing "get out and vote" when every party here is left of centre, except Renua (who many dont deem a viable option) I am sorry, get out and vote for WHO?

    there needs to be a push back from the public against this bull**** for a start, i.e. against those supporting and enabling the current system. Getting out and "voting" LOL , its too late at that stage, if there isnt a push back of some sort. Of course the ideal thing to happen, would be something entirely radical for this country, i.e. a party sets up that puts the taxpayer first! I reckon thats off the agenda, even though any such party would currently have an open goal!


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    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    The taxes they paid were to fund the current expenditure, not to fund their retirement. The working population of the present are doing that.

    It is unsustainable with far more retired in the population to be supported by fewer workers in the future.

    You haven't given a solution.
    These same pensioners paid their taxes for all their working lives and as such contributed to their pensions.
    It's the never worked/won't work you need to target.


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    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Kivaro wrote: »
    After waking up this morning to the wonderful news that Fine Gael and Regina Doherty wants to increase our PRSI contributions in order to pay for welfare benefits, I decided to contact the TD and the Fine Geal party in order to express my displeasure.

    In a week when the Department of Social Protection declared that the country is overly dependent on social welfare payments, and when we get the news that an unemployed mother of seven can receive over €54,000 in tax-free benefits, Regina Doherty decides to announce this plan.

    TD Doherty's email address is here: regina.doherty@oir.ie
    Other contact information for her is here.
    And the Fine Gael party can be contacted here: finegael@finegael.ie

    To date, there are 345 'likes' on the first post of the Margaret Cash thread.
    If 345 people contacted various politicians, political parties, councillors, news sources, newspaper editors, advertisers etc. on a particular topic, then I can assure you that our displeasure would be heard.

    In order to offset the very loud hysterical voices of the socialists/left parties, those of us who live in the real world need to be heard. If you do not voice your opinion, then we are complicit in the direction that the country is heading.

    Disclaimer: When the vast majority express our displeasure with overly generous social welfare benefits, we are generally not talking about pensioners, people temporarily on the dole, and other deserving members of our society.

    Email sent. In fairness I always do to get it off my chest. Sometimes a reply or phone call comes out of it.


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    scamalert
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    yeah spam some email while getting stick in the a$$ deeper each day, none prob will be read funny ones will be sent round the office - usual outcome.


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    Wheety
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    I'll give them an email later.


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    Idbatterim
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    Increases in SW and taxes are on the cards.

    not necessarily, they are probably doing the usual kite flying, to see what the public reaction is. I cant see how when things are meant to be booming, that tax hikes, in a possible election budget, will be a runner.

    So they talk about tax hikes, it doesnt happen, they throw a few cent back at you and the workers are relieved. "that budget wasnt that bad" sound familiar?

    there should be tax hikes alright though, on diesel, new rates of tax on vehicles, diesel hiked significantly. LPT whacked up, VAT on hospitality (the reduced rate has cost of 2.7 billion and should have been ended long ago - indeed I think they state should have had a claw back mechanism, i.e. help them out when they were in the ****ter and then they pay back a bit extra on top of the "normal " rate, when things returned to "normal" , now they are creaming it in again!

    Those receiving housing from the state for a pittance, paid for by the free money they get, they are another group of pisstakers. Where do you even begin here?


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    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Vote in a general election

    The best way to shake things up (not always for the best)

    60000 people standing at the gates of Leinster House would nip any ideas of increases quickly in the bud and refocus the minds inside. You can be guaranteed. Our Govt is creating an absolute monster here. They need to be more imaginative.

    Voting only results in more of FG and FF and more of the usual. Honestly with our political spectrum, voting is near ineffective. It still needs to be done but is thoroughly useless.


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    dxhound2005
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    You haven't given a solution.
    These same pensioners paid their taxes for all their working lives and as such contributed to their pensions.
    It's the never worked/won't work you need to target.

    How many years does this so called pension contribution fund? Some pensioners will be drawing on it for 30 years or more. And getting free travel and TV licence and more.


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    Idbatterim
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    You haven't given a solution.
    These same pensioners paid their taxes for all their working lives and as such contributed to their pensions.
    It's the never worked/won't work you need to target.

    I dont buy that. If you paid into a pension scheme, you would want it to reflect what you paid into it? The pension that many of them are getting, taken into account inflation and their contribution, is a staggering multiple of anything they ever paid in most likely...

    Youre right about the wont workers! There are now so many jobs FG tell us, why would you hike JSA or JSB?


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    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,799 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I dont buy that. If you paid into a pension scheme, you would want it to reflect what you paid into it? The pension that many of them are getting, taken into account inflation and their contribution, is a staggering multiple of anything they ever paid in most likely...

    Youre right about the wont workers! There are now so many jobs FG tell us, why would you hike JSA or JSB?

    No point in making employers take on people who can't work. Somewhere around 4% to 6% jobless rate is regarded as full employment.


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    tayto lover
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    How many years does this so called pension contribution fund? Some pensioners will be drawing on it for 30 years or more. And getting free travel and TV licence and more.

    All guff but no solution.


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    Idbatterim
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    No point in making employers take on people who can't work. Somewhere around 4% to 6% jobless rate is regarded as full employment.

    I dont think its right to completely give up on those people the way the Irish state does. But if they are truly "unemployable" enjoy living on less than a E100 a week, the norm in other european states...


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    GarIT
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    At the moment I'm 100% against our welfare system. I'd be happy to support it if was reduced over time I'd even recommend increases over time while not claiming it. The current situation is unsustainable, although maybe it is sustainable, decent working people could support scroungers for their whole lives but it's sickening to have to do it.

    We need a system with something like at 18 everyone starts on a rate of €100 per week if they need to claim it. Every year you spend claiming it goes down by 10% to a minimum of €50. Every year you spend working it goes up by €10.

    I think free pensions from the state should be abolished (over a long term, maybe for people born from 2020 on or something like that). And we should have mandatory pension contributions in place of USC. If you don't have enough to retire on built up in your mandatory pension you simply don't retire, you can work or stay on the dole.


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    animaal
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    Our form of democracy, with Proportional Representation, facilitates coalitions. If the only parties in power are Centre and Left parties, then government policy will always be left-leaning.

    If we had a combination of Left and Right in power, we'd be more likely to have balanced policy. Or even if we had centre/left and centre/right coalitions over the years, we'd see some policy swings, but a more balanced centre situation in the long run.

    But the Irish continually reject right-leaning parties. The PDs ran out of support in 2009. Renua never got off the ground because people felt stronger about the stance of some of the party's members on abortion than about the party's economic policies.

    The result is the situation we have today. If there's a block of people who don't feel represented today, it's because that block of people didn't vote in their own economic interests.


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