Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

tigger123 · 15-08-2018 03:21PM

Paul Williams is a fantastic fit for Newstalk.

Sofi1 · 15-08-2018 03:27PM

OB1Kildare wrote: »

the main story is he was working on swifts - and she would have walked past the door . There certainly is alot of wood in swifts so Id imagine there was alot of chippys in there ....not something you would want to be making public knowledge if it was my pub ...all the wood is still in there

Yes, I think that was around the time when the pub was being completely renovated? Did it have a different name before that, can't remember.

It's pretty much smack bang in the busy centre of the town as it was at the time (pre-Whitewater, when a lot of business shifted towards Cutlery Rd). You'd have had to have passed it going up the town when going to most of the banks, and the post office, Penney's .

OB1Kildare · 15-08-2018 03:33PM

Sofi1 wrote: »

Yes, I think that was around the time when the pub was being completely renovated? Did it have a different name before that, can't remember.

It's pretty much smack bang in the busy centre of the town as it was at the time (pre-Whitewater, when a lot of business shifted towards Cutlery Rd). You'd have had to have passed it going up the town when going to most of the banks, and the post office, Penney's .

thats was the year of the big renovation

LETHAL LADY · 15-08-2018 03:56PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Ah thanks -any suspicion she may have alibi'd him etc ?

He was married with children, so don't think his mother would have been that up on his movements as he didn't live with her.

Bigbagofcans · 15-08-2018 04:19PM

starbaby2003 wrote: »

And refused any counselling or interactions with . psychiatrist. Should never have been left out !

He tried to suffocate his victim with a plastic bag (along with the horrific things he did to her) and only gets 10 years.

During questioning about the woman's injuries, it was reported that Murphy commented: "Well, she's alive isn't she?" and: "She was lucky" and showed no sign of remorse or guilt.

I could nearly bet on it that he had murdered previous to his conviction and it involved one of the vanishing triangle, very likely Deirdre.

smelly sock · 15-08-2018 04:28PM

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

He tried to suffocate his victim with a plastic bag (along with the horrific things he did to her) and only gets 10 years.

During questioning about the woman's injuries, it was reported that Murphy commented: "Well, she's alive isn't she?" and: "She was lucky" and showed no sign of remorse or guilt.

I could nearly bet on it that he had murdered previous to his conviction and it involved one of the vanishing triangle, very likely Deirdre.

Yes. If he was in Newbridge at the time Deirdre went missing its eerie at best. Wasnt there the story of fbi profilers involved with cases over here and reckoned Murphy was involved in more than just one.
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/fbi-identify-irish-rapist-as-a-serial-killer-98728694-237705531

whisky_galore · 15-08-2018 04:32PM

The Crowman wrote: »

Paul Williams is a disgrace to journalism. He's a bell end of the highest order.

I don't know if you could call people who write for comic strips like the Sunday World/Irish Sun/INOTW proper journalists.

aroundthehouse · 15-08-2018 04:35PM

God help the family, how could anyone either be involved in somethign like this or carry around the knowledge of who did it for 20 years, look at her poor parents, every single day they wake must feel like hell
Whoever did it, there is no way they could have kept it a complete secret from the whole world, someone somewhere knows something, I just hope they can do the right thing for the family

tayto lover · 15-08-2018 04:38PM

aroundthehouse wrote: »

God help the family, how could anyone either be involved in somethign like this or carry around the knowledge of who did it for 20 years, look at her poor parents, every single day they wake must feel like hell
Whoever did it, there is no way they could have kept it a complete secret from the whole world, someone somewhere knows something, I just hope they can do the right thing for the family

You'd be surprised how people can remain silent for years.
The Dundalk Garda investigated the death of Irene White for years. Brutally stabbed in her own kitchen.
Years later someone decided to speak and now two people will face trial and possibly others. Sometimes you just have to wait but keep it fresh in the media at the same time.

aroundthehouse · 15-08-2018 04:42PM

tayto lover wrote: »

You'd be surprised how people can remain silent for years.
The Dundalk Garda investigated the death of Irene White for years. Brutally stabbed in her own kitchen.
Years later someone decided to speak and now two people will face trial and possibly others. Sometimes you just have to wait but keep it fresh in the media at the same time.

yes i remember that, she was killed in the ice house?

imagine keeping a murder to yourself for all those years, how would it not eat away at you

Sofi1 · 15-08-2018 04:46PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That is actually really great to hear - you hear some horror stories.

I read up on some of the case when he was released and I'll be honest, I never got the vibe that he didn't have a murder or two in his background.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/youd-ask-him-what-did-you-do-larry-and-he-would-say-i-flipped-26672172.html
His brother Thomas quite comprehensively denounces him in this article. It's compiled from quotes from an interview he did with Charlie Bird.

I find him (LM) quite revolting, it's hard to look at photos of him.

I went to school with Deirdre, so I think of her and what happened to her a lot.

She was a beautiful, gentle, intelligent girl with her whole life ahead of her, it's difficult to comprehend.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-08-2018 04:49PM

This case and that of Philip Cairns were the ones that scared me the most of all the ‘Missing Person’ cases because they happened in urban areas in broad daylight.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-08-2018 04:53PM

Henwin wrote: »

Did anyone listen the ciara Kelly's interview with Paul Williams today dicusssing the various missing women's cases as well as Larry Murphy and his abduction and rape of a woman. I found it very hard to listen to not just because of the graphic detail he went into but his aqlmost excitement in telling the story. I can't believe he is a newstalk presenter

Unfortunately, part of being a journalist is being able to separate oneself from the events and even get a bit excited about it.

Joan Didion was once asked how she felt about happening upon a five year old drug addict and surprisingly, she replied “Wonderful!” because she knew she had a story. It might seem callous but if she had been too affected by the discovery, she wouldn’t have been able to write an article that shocked America.

julyjane · 15-08-2018 04:56PM

there were a number of different versions of LM- his family were shocked to their cores that Larry would do something like that when "butter wouldn't melt in his mouth" - yet the 2 men hunting in the woods who saved his victims life remembered his face from an incident in a pub where he had indecently assaulted a woman. He tried it on with a friend of his wife and then begged her not to tell.

cameramonkey · 15-08-2018 05:01PM

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

He tried to suffocate his victim with a plastic bag (along with the horrific things he did to her) and only gets 10 years.
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I think he got a 15 year sentence.

Sofi1 · 15-08-2018 05:04PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

I think he got a 15 year sentence.

He only served 10 years though. Remission for "good behaviour", which seems to boil down to getting a reward for, say, not murdering a cellmate or burning down the prison.

smelly sock · 15-08-2018 05:05PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

I think he got a 15 year sentence.

One of the hunters should have had an "accidental" discharge.

chicorytip · 15-08-2018 05:07PM

The same applies to the families of Annie Mc Carrick and Eva Brennan. The harrowing experience of not knowing how or why their loved ones simply vanished and who may have been responsible. At least if remains were discovered it would give some small comfort to the bereaved.

Murphy was certainly being monitored whilst living in Amsterdam. The various reports as to his whereabouts since his release are likely as a result of police leaking information to journalists. He has a nondescript type of appearance so could blend in easily. I doubt many would recognise him if he passed by on the street.

Sofi1 · 15-08-2018 05:09PM

julyjane wrote: »

there were a number of different versions of LM- his family were shocked to their cores that Larry would do something like that when "butter wouldn't melt in his mouth" - yet the 2 men hunting in the woods who saved his victims life remembered his face from an incident in a pub where he had indecently assaulted a woman. He tried it on with a friend of his wife and then begged her not to tell.

We all know creeps that make our flesh crawl, but their families probably think they're grand fellas altogether. Sometimes it's hard to see what's under your nose.

It was reported that he actually tried to strangle his wife's friend, who he was dropping home one night. Luckily she escaped, but she was so shaken that she didn't tell his wife or report it to the guards.

tayto lover · 15-08-2018 05:11PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The same applies to the families of Annie Mc Carrick and Eva Brennan. The harrowing experience of not knowing how or why their loved ones simply vanished and who may have been responsible. At least if remains were discovered it would give some small comfort to the bereaved.

Ciara Breen's mother recently went to her grave never knowing what happened to her only child who vanished in 1997 at the age of seventeen.
It has to have taken its toll on her.

bb12 · 15-08-2018 05:17PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Ciara Breen's mother recently went to her grave never knowing what happened to her only child who vanished in 1997 at the age of seventeen.
It has to have taken its toll on her.

there's a suspect known to her in that case and in an interview i saw that they had a general idea of where her body was buried

RobbieMD · 15-08-2018 05:19PM

reg114 wrote: »

So 2 weeks after the 20 year anniversary of the disappearance of this girl the Gardai suddenly change the status of this case to a murder case ? I think this is kite flying by the gardai , pure and simple.

If as has been written, the chief suspect is in the UK and would be collared the minute he stepped on to Irish soil then why dont the gardai extradite him based on the 'new information' that has come to light ? Extradition exists in the EU so why not employ it in this case, subsequent to employing a european arrest warrant?

No I dont believe the gardai have anything other than hearsay and conjecture to work on, primarily because the person who committed this crime most probably worked alone and divulged details to no one.

The dogs in the street have implicated the chief suspect for years, a case strengthened by the apparent cessation of these disappearances during his incarceration and his subsequent departure from the country.

Sadly I dont share peoples' confidence in Irish law enforcement or the judicial system. This chief suspect was only caught because he was literally caught red handed but two local men who could identify him and even at that stage he only served 9.5 years in jail and has been free to roam ever since.

The reclassification of this woman's disappearance to a murder guarantees one thing, that he wont set foot on irish soil willingly again, as for new evidence, I think in the absence of an extradition its sadly nonsense.

But he can only be extradited if the Gardai have enough to charge him. They can't detain and question him on the basis of being extradited.

smelly sock · 15-08-2018 05:19PM

RobbieMD wrote: »

But he can only be extradited if the Gardai have enough to charge him. They can't detain and question him on the basis of being extradited.

Agreed. Thats why this drip feed kite flying is really confusing.

bb12 · 15-08-2018 05:22PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Agreed. Thats why this drip feed kite flying is really confusing.

Other media outlets are saying he's currently staying in north co dublin with his eastern european girlfriend since he arrived home for his mothers funeral in may

15-08-2018 05:25PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

I think he got a 15 year sentence.

Sofi1 wrote: »

He only served 10 years though. Remission for "good behaviour"

If it was a straight up 15 years then that makes it even more despicable that he was released after 10, even including remission. Remission is generally 25% off. 1/3 remission is very rare and notoriously hard to get. You need to be studying, bettering yourself, to show decent moral character and even then it's still tough to get. Murphy showed none of that. If this monster indeed served just 10 out of 15, that's a slap in the face to a lot of folks.

smelly sock · 15-08-2018 05:26PM

Its a bit like the trevor deely case and the recent search. Why did they have to release the reason as to why they were searching? Very unfair on the family and must have been a horrible time especially when the search turned up nothing.

This time the fear is they are at the same. Its extremely difficult to see where new info could have come from after this long. Especially of it was Murphy.

smelly sock · 15-08-2018 05:27PM

Dont forget about Raonaid Murray. Another poor girl whos murder is unsolved.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Raonaid_Murray

tayto lover · 15-08-2018 05:27PM

bb12 wrote: »

there's a suspect known to her in that case and in an interview i saw that they had a general idea of where her body was buried

It didn't work out.
The suspect died. Many didn't believe it was him anyway.
They dug up Balmers Bog and brought in cadaver dogs but nothing was found.

tayto lover · 15-08-2018 05:30PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Its a bit like the trevor deely case and the recent search. Why did they have to release the reason as to why they were searching? Very unfair on the family and must have been a horrible time especially when the search turned up nothing.

This time the fear is they are at the same. Its extremely difficult to see where new info could have come from after this long. Especially of it was Murphy.

They don't do it for a bit of craic.
Many of them have spent years on this case I'd say and would love to see it conclude. They have daughters, sisters themselves.
Hopefully, as I said earlier, it might at least make anyone who knows something consider coming forward like in the Irene White case.

smelly sock · 15-08-2018 05:32PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They don't do it for a bit of craic.
Many of them have spent years on this case I'd say and would love to see it conclude. They have daughters, sisters themselves.
Hopefully, as I said earlier, it might at least make anyone who knows something consider coming forward like in the Irene White case.

Yeh ok but stilk to insinuate that there is new information? It doesnt seem likely.

Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

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