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Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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  • #3722
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Silent Running wrote: »
    You know this for a fact, do you? The 11 year old is well into his training and would fit nicely through an open bathroom window. :D

    Ah I don't agree with demonising children. That's unfair.


  • #3723
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Turnipman wrote: »
    Once again, I'm more than happy to defer to your Open University degree in paper clips and constitutional law.

    Do you have a counter argument or just sarcasm and mockery, as I'm getting rather tired of it today.


  • #3724
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Prisoner 6753 wrote: »
    Homelessness 20 years ago was real, today it is used by the likes of yer wan for a free gaff with her sob story like the other 2 in Fermoy and Youghal.

    I disagree. We had more social housing. Now that we've less we've more needing other supports to make up for the lack of council accommodation. We always had single mothers looking for a flat or house. Just now the government are more interested in the profits of private industry as it makes the economy grow, for who's benefit? Not the working tax payer judging by the growing housing crisis anyway.


  • #3725
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

    We disincetivise people who are unable to provide for their children from having more
    (Pick a date in the future. From that date child support wont be paid in respect of the third+ child).

    Crisis pregnancies happen all the time. Not 7 times to the one person. 15yr olds see bearing more brats as a legitimate future, a way to get a house. The more you breed, the more favourable the outcome.

    The people paying for this bu115hit meanwhile can only afford 1 or 2 kids.
    BTW what is the legal age of consent in this country?
    Because there are plenty of cases of pregnant 15 yo travelers, and no cases (or at least no articles) when any traveler being accused of underage sex.


  • #3726
    Turnipman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Turnipman


    Victor Meldrew wrote: »
    Yep. Equal before the law, not the SW office. Taken to its extreme, such a nonsense would mean that every recipient of support should get the same support. Which is nonsense. Not all schools are equal. Not all council houses are of equal value or utility.


    To be equally applied, then either every child should be eligible for CB or none should.

    It can't just arbitrarily be decided that an Irish citizen who happens to be the third child is less entitled to a welfare payment than an Irish citizen who happens to be child number 2.

    It's an absurd and nonsensical proposition.


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  • #3727
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Turnipman wrote: »
    To be equally applied, then either every child should be eligible for CB or none should.

    It can't just arbitrarily be decided that an Irish citizen who happens to be the third child is less entitled to a welfare payment than an Irish citizen who happens to be child number 2.

    It's an absurd and nonsensical proposition.

    Except it can.

    Otherwise every single last will and testament that left out any children would be constitutionally disallowed.

    They're not, so I'm afraid the nonsensical proposition was the original one about quoting 40.1


  • #3728
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,141 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Turnipman wrote: »
    Once again, I'm more than happy to defer to your Open University degree in paper clips and constitutional law.
    Well you've clearly got a better idea than I have.
    Clearly displayed on thread, nicely ended with the Q.E.D as per appropriate syntax


    (I mean obviously I've missed your post because compared to your brilliance I am illiterate but sure that's it now)


  • #3729
    ayux4rj6zql2ph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Homeless to me is the lad who used to be in the Defence Forces (I'm told) and now sleeps outside the souvenir shop on O'Connell St.

    He has nothing - and is definitely NOT getting 50k a year tax free.

    THAT'S where the priorities should be in my opinion.
    That is a very sad story, the man is trying his best for his family and country and this is how he is rewarded unlike lady cash.
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I disagree. We had more social housing. Now that we've less we've more needing other supports to make up for the lack of council accommodation. We always had single mothers looking for a flat or house. Just now the government are more interested in the profits of private industry as it makes the economy grow, for who's benefit? Not the working tax payer judging by the growing housing crisis anyway.
    We all have our own opinions, social housing isn't the answer to all the problems only part of it. The government trying to sell off all state assets a big example.
    na1 wrote: »
    BTW what is the legal age of consent in this country?
    Because there are plenty of cases of pregnant 15 yo travelers, and no cases (or at least no articles) when any traveler being accused of underage sex.

    Are social workers involved for teenagers who give birth while under the age of consent?

    It's 17 I think, but what happens when both are under the age or worse still the teenage father is younger than the mother? Is he put into custody?


  • #3730
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Prisoner 6753 wrote: »
    Are social workers involved for teenagers who give birth while under the age of consent?

    It's 17 I think, but what happens when both are under the age or worse still the teenage father is younger than the mother? Is he put into custody?

    I don't think so but I'd argue they should be.


  • #3731
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Turnipman wrote: »
    To be equally applied, then either every child should be eligible for CB or none should.

    It can't just arbitrarily be decided that an Irish citizen who happens to be the third child is less entitled to a welfare payment than an Irish citizen who happens to be child number 2.
    Well CURRENTLY the twins are "more equal than the others" , because they get higher CB rate...


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  • #3732
    Riskymove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Turnipman wrote: »
    .

    It can't just arbitrarily be decided that an Irish citizen who happens to be the third child is less entitled to a welfare payment than an Irish citizen who happens to be child number 2.

    CB is paid to the mother, not the child
    The scheme is applied equally to all mothers which meets your argument


  • #3733
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I disagree. We had more social housing. Now that we've less we've more needing other supports to make up for the lack of council accommodation. We always had single mothers looking for a flat or house. Just now the government are more interested in the profits of private industry as it makes the economy grow, for who's benefit? Not the working tax payer judging by the growing housing crisis anyway.

    Maybe the 70 million owed in rent arrears to the council might build your precious social housing or encourage the council to build more of it was paid.

    Spongers the lot of them.


  • #3734
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Ah I don't agree with demonising children. That's unfair.

    Yeah, well I'm fine with it. I was burgled a good while back. The thieves forced a bathroom window. I asked the Gardai who would fit through such a small window. The Garda said that the burglars use children to get in and open the bigger windows or doors so that the adults can ransack the place.


  • #3735
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Silent Running wrote: »
    The Garda said that the burglars use children to get in and open the bigger windows or doors so that the adults can ransack the place.

    Still not the kids' fault. It's the c**tish adults to blame, but then the kids don't stand a hope being dragged up by them.


  • #3736
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Silent Running wrote: »
    Yeah, well I'm fine with it. I was burgled a good while back. The thieves forced a bathroom window. I asked the Gardai who would fit through such a small window. The Garda said that the burglars use children to get in and open the bigger windows or doors so that the adults can ransack the place.

    Fair enough. It's not the children's fault though if they're made to do that. They say no and then what? It's sad.


  • #3737
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    Still not the kids' fault. It's the c**tish adults to blame, but then the kids don't stand a hope being dragged up by them.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/stabbing-archway-11-year-old-arrested-london-fairbridge-road-attempted-murder-a8425956.html


  • #3738
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Fair enough. It's not the children's fault though if they're made to do that. They say no and then what? It's sad.

    I agree it's sad. When do you start blaming them though? Margaret Gimme Cash and her scumbag partner were kids once. Is there a particular day when they can be blamed? I've seen 11 or 12 year old kids thinking it's great craic to drop stones from a bridge onto cars passing below. No adults present. Are they blameless in that case?

    We're growing a large batch of feral kids these days. They know they're doing wrong, but also know they'll get off if they're caught. "My Johnny wouldn't do that" :rolleyes:


  • #3739
    forgodssake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭forgodssake


    The children arent at fault here . They know no different as to what their mother is doing/has done .


  • #3740
    NickD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭NickD


    Why can't we implement a system where you can't get the dole if you aren't on contraception, I think the idea was floated in Australia a couple of years ago. Surely if the dole isn't a career choice people would have no problem with this.


  • #3741
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,559 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    this country just mimics everything the uk does, they have a benefits cap! (link below) why cant we do likewise and change about the only good system they have? I read a while ago, that australia I believe, was going to cap child benefits at two kids. In germany, you can forget getting endless payouts etc. This banana republic is the exception!

    Remember, these people are a massive part of the reason you are paying 52c in the euro at the marginal rate! The are mainly responsible for the struggling working and middle class here!

    https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/housing_benefit/what_is_the_benefit_cap


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  • #3742
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    forgodssake wrote: »
    The children arent at fault here . They know no different as to what their mother is doing/has done .

    Absolutely and fair enough to continue berating the mother if thats what keeps people amused . But some posts about the kids are really unnecessary


  • #3743
    forgodssake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭forgodssake


    iamwhoiam wrote:
    Absolutely and fair enough to continue berating the mother if thats what keeps people amused . But some posts about the kids are really unnecessary


    Agreed. As my mother used to say , children don't ask to be born .


  • #3744
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Melendez wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Ah c'mon now...this is a young lady who had little apparent difficulty leaving her young children in Tallaght to whizz about the Wexford countryside and get herself stociously drunk enough to require Hospitalization.....I would suggest humiliating this lady may require something more robust ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #3745
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Can anyone decipher this for me

    He congratulates her for exploiting the welfare system and then goes on about Irish men roasting each other on a spit(some kind of fetish?)

    Are the hub a registered charity?


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  • #3746
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    tuxy wrote: »
    Can anyone decipher this for me

    He congratulates her for exploiting the welfare system and then goes on about Irish men roasting each other on a spit(some kind of fetish?)

    Are the hub a registered charity?


    458378.png

    "Stories that Ireland turns a blind eye to"

    And with good reason too :rolleyes:


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #3747
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    tuxy wrote: »
    Can anyone decipher this for me

    He congratulates her for exploiting the welfare system and then goes on about Irish men roasting each other on a spit(some kind of fetish?)

    Are the hub a registered charity?


    458378.png

    Just when you think you've read it all.


  • #3748
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Would a pro worker anti long term welfare election candidate actually get elected in ireland ?


  • #3749
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,929 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tuxy wrote: »
    Can anyone decipher this for me

    He congratulates her for exploiting the welfare system and then goes on about Irish men roasting each other on a spit(some kind of fetish?)

    Are the hub a registered charity?



    yeah i dont think he quite understands the term spit-roasting.


  • #3750
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Would a pro worker anti long term welfare election candidate actually get elected in ireland ?

    If they had the balls to stand, yeah but w3 need nore than one to get anywhere sadly.


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  • #3751
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,929 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Would a pro worker anti long term welfare election candidate actually get elected in ireland ?


    In certains areas they possibly would. But then again Ruairi Quinn has been elected by dublin south east for the last 30 odd years so you never can tell.


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