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Dozer1 · 09-08-2018 06:36PM

Most are r and a few u's thought the mart trade for these types was poor. Had planned keeping till October but not sure am I best to cut losses now...

Dozer1 · 13-08-2018 03:00PM

In kilmallock today weanling trade was depressing and bodes badly for later in the year.
Anything good quality over 300kgs did well to make 3/400 with the weight and plenty unsold.

Didn't see any exporters there mixed quality there too in fairness.

Called to the bullock and cow ring for a bit and equally bad.

Willfarman · 13-08-2018 04:29PM

From a finishing perspective I can’t fathom how the trade is so good.. 333kg very yummy good blue limousine heifers €1160. Carnew Saturday I’m told. 17 birthday friesians 480 made 780. Narrow black Whitehead’s 17s 400 kg brought €760. Jan 17 narrow bbs/friesians 372kgs €790. August 17’s limos €386 very good r/u grade growth type €1140

All bullocks would lose money here assuming same beef price next year and mid April turnout and no drought or wet.

Pidae.m · 13-08-2018 04:32PM

Willfarman wrote: »

From a finishing perspective I can’t fathom how the trade is so good.. 333kg very yummy good blue limousine heifers €1160. Carnew Saturday I’m told. 17 birthday friesians 480 made 780. Narrow black Whitehead’s 17s 400 kg brought €760. Jan 17 narrow bbs/friesians 372kgs €790. August 17’s limos €386 very good r/u grade growth type €1140

All bullocks would lose money here assuming same beef price next year and mid April turnout and no drought or wet.

Cattle were a plaster today in Bandon. Grass tetnany I call it

Bass Reeves · 13-08-2018 05:44PM

Willfarman wrote: »

From a finishing perspective I can’t fathom how the trade is so good.. 333kg very yummy good blue limousine heifers €1160. Carnew Saturday I’m told. 17 birthday friesians 480 made 780. Narrow black Whitehead’s 17s 400 kg brought €760. Jan 17 narrow bbs/friesians 372kgs €790. August 17’s limos €386 very good r/u grade growth type €1140

All bullocks would lose money here assuming same beef price next year and mid April turnout and no drought or wet.

No margin in any of them my 400kg friesians look ok value at that. It is immaterial what price they will make next year you should work what you got this year subtract your cost and margin. Then you know what you can pay for cattle. Those LM heifers and bullocks will leave a loss no matter what system you put them into. None of the rest are leaving a margin over this years costs and what cattle made going into the factory.

Those Fr 480 for 780 would have netted around 1280-1300 this year depending on when they were slaughtered.
The WH would have netted 1300 if they graded and the BBXFr much the same presuming they made R-.

I have sat on my hands there WF I say you did the same.

Willfarman · 13-08-2018 06:21PM

Feeling very battered after killing cattle. Empty hay shed. Silage pit open and remaining fattening cattle eating 6 kgs of meal.

Was actually just having a look see would it be the best place to bring them. Jury’s out.

Cavanjack · 13-08-2018 06:25PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No margin in any of them my 400kg friesians look ok value at that. It is immaterial what price they will make next year you should work what you got this year subtract your cost and margin. Then you know what you can pay for cattle. Those LM heifers and bullocks will leave a loss no matter what system you put them into. None of the rest are leaving a margin over this years costs and what cattle made going into the factory.

Those Fr 480 for 780 would have netted around 1280-1300 this year depending on when they were slaughtered.
The WH would have netted 1300 if they graded and the BBXFr much the same presuming they made R-.

I have sat on my hands there WF I say you did the same.

The pensioners with the good sfp are not worried about a margin.

Butcher Boy · 13-08-2018 08:42PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Cattle were a plaster today in Bandon. Grass tetnany I call it

ya up 50 ahead I taught the cows were a good trade aswell.

Pidae.m · 13-08-2018 08:56PM

Butcher Boy wrote: »

ya up 50 ahead I taught the cows were a good trade aswell.

Be-serk. There was a tourist there today to upset things

Butcher Boy · 13-08-2018 09:11PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Be-serk. There was a tourist there today to upset things

Tom was going well on the mart report tonight.

Bass Reeves · 13-08-2018 10:15PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

The pensioners with the good sfp are not worried about a margin.

There is a few I know that would let nothing inside the gate for the summer unless they saw 250-300 euro on them over the previous years cattle .

Hard Knocks · 13-08-2018 11:07PM

Willfarman wrote: »

From a finishing perspective I can’t fathom how the trade is so good.. 333kg very yummy good blue limousine heifers €1160. Carnew Saturday I’m told. 17 birthday friesians 480 made 780. Narrow black Whitehead’s 17s 400 kg brought €760. Jan 17 narrow bbs/friesians 372kgs €790. August 17’s limos €386 very good r/u grade growth type €1140

All bullocks would lose money here assuming same beef price next year and mid April turnout and no drought or wet.

Saw July & August 17 CH bulls 330-380kg, hungry & plainish making €700-800 tonight, heard SIX & AAX were doing worse.
Was told Saturday was same that plain stock was not wanted, too much Holstein blood

charolais0153 · 13-08-2018 11:14PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Saw July & August 17 CH bulls 330-380kg, hungry & plainish making €700-800 tonight, heard SIX & AAX were doing worse.
Was told Saturday was same that plain stock was not wanted, too much Holstein blood

Lets hope minister creed and Joe healy step in

Willfarman · 14-08-2018 06:22AM

4.10 a kilo minimum and 4.50 after winter finishing is what’s needed but neither men can pull that rabbit out of Goodman’s posterior.

If only we had the brains to pocket the farm payments and curtail production!

Bass Reeves · 14-08-2018 09:19AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Lets hope minister creed and Joe healy step in

There is not the appetite within either government or IFA to do anything to upset the processors. It was interesting to see an article in last week (or maybe the weeks before) commenting in Kepak aquisition of a meat processing group in the UK. The Irish processors now control over 50% of the UK processing faculities. It is considered that they have been able to do this by using cheap Irish Beef to underpin there UK purchases.

Three years ago the EU gave the go ahead for all EU countries to legislate for producer groups. Yes the Government has not done and the Irish farm lobby groups have not lobbied for it. There is a perception out there that if this happens that smaller finishers will benifit. Over the last 3 years the processosr have started to piss on top of the midsized finisher like Will. They now seem to only want to reward the ultra large finisher that is sending a few hundred cattle a week to slaughter.

In June this year as I send cattle for slaughter I saw an artic of heifers arrive at the factory. The lad drawing them for me told that 1-2 loads/day for 3 days a week were arriving to this factory from this finisher since late April. He said that the same finisher was supplying at least another 1-2 factory's with the same amount of cattle/week. That is up near a thousand cattle/week or maybe more.

This sort of finisher needs at least 20c/kg more than me or will to finish cattle to stay in business. Before the local procurement manager looked after his finishers that were sending in a load a week. Not no longer they might scrape 5c/kg more than me but that is about it.

Producer groups would level the field but there is no appetite for to change the system

Willfarman wrote: »

4.10 a kilo minimum and 4.50 after winter finishing is what’s needed but neither men can pull that rabbit out of Goodman’s posterior.

If only we had the brains to pocket the farm payments and curtail production!

Producer groups would change all that. It would take the gambling out of the game if you knew what the price in 80-90 days time was and you could fix into that price. But processosr do not want that. Neither do the big units with 3-4K cattle insitu as all pricimg would be transparent.

I have virtually exited the winter finishing game as it is unprofitable especially when you need to replace cattle in March/April for grass. Much better value for to overwinter stores and sell in June/July

patsy_mccabe · 14-08-2018 03:02PM

Had to be in Ennis today, so popped into the mart for a look. Saw last few bulls selling.

All Oct 2017 bulls;
2 Simms - 358kg - €810 - kinda butty
3 chars - 512 €1150 - from the mighty Burren and well fed
2 red lims - 340 - €890 muscley types
1 Black Lim - 375 - €900 good quality too

First time in mart since draught so can't say whether prices are up or down.

Bass Reeves · 14-08-2018 03:17PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Had to be in Ennis today, so popped into the mart for a look. Saw last few bulls selling.

All Oct 2017 bulls;
2 Simms - 358kg - €810 - kinda butty
3 chars - 512 €1150 - from the mighty Burren and well fed
2 red lims - 340 - €890 muscley types
1 Black Lim - 375 - €900 good quality too

First time in mart since draught so can't say whether prices are up or down.

Another day to keep your hands in your pocket, your head still and eyes averted from auctioneer

Pidae.m · 14-08-2018 03:47PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Had to be in Ennis today, so popped into the mart for a look. Saw last few bulls selling.

All Oct 2017 bulls;
2 Simms - 358kg - €810 - kinda butty
3 chars - 512 €1150 - from the mighty Burren and well fed
2 red lims - 340 - €890 muscley types
1 Black Lim - 375 - €900 good quality too

First time in mart since draught so can't say whether prices are up or down.

Show and sale today?

Cavanjack · 14-08-2018 03:57PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

There is not the appetite within either government or IFA to do anything to upset the processors. It was interesting to see an article in last week (or maybe the weeks before) commenting in Kepak aquisition of a meat processing group in the UK. The Irish processors now control over 50% of the UK processing faculities. It is considered that they have been able to do this by using cheap Irish Beef to underpin there UK purchases.

Three years ago the EU gave the go ahead for all EU countries to legislate for producer groups. Yes the Government has not done and the Irish farm lobby groups have not lobbied for it. There is a perception out there that if this happens that smaller finishers will benifit. Over the last 3 years the processosr have started to piss on top of the midsized finisher like Will. They now seem to only want to reward the ultra large finisher that is sending a few hundred cattle a week to slaughter.

In June this year as I send cattle for slaughter I saw an artic of heifers arrive at the factory. The lad drawing them for me told that 1-2 loads/day for 3 days a week were arriving to this factory from this finisher since late April. He said that the same finisher was supplying at least another 1-2 factory's with the same amount of cattle/week. That is up near a thousand cattle/week or maybe more.

This sort of finisher needs at least 20c/kg more than me or will to finish cattle to stay in business. Before the local procurement manager looked after his finishers that were sending in a load a week. Not no longer they might scrape 5c/kg more than me but that is about it.

Producer groups would level the field but there is no appetite for to change the system

Producer groups would change all that. It would take the gambling out of the game if you knew what the price in 80-90 days time was and you could fix into that price. But processosr do not want that. Neither do the big units with 3-4K cattle insitu as all pricimg would be transparent.

I have virtually exited the winter finishing game as it is unprofitable especially when you need to replace cattle in March/April for grass. Much better value for to overwinter stores and sell in June/July

Bigger finishers are only getting 10cent more than the rest of us. Saw a factory kill sheet a few months ago for 50ish cattle from a big finisher. I got as good of a base price as I could get anywhere and they were getting 10cent more.

patsy_mccabe · 14-08-2018 04:32PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Show and sale today?

Don't know. Only a flying visit and didn't see any rosettes.
Add on Dondeal says it's next Tuesday.

Willfarman · 14-08-2018 05:35PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Bass Reeves wrote: »

There is not the appetite within either government or IFA to do anything to upset the processors. It was interesting to see an article in last week (or maybe the weeks before) commenting in Kepak aquisition of a meat processing group in the UK. The Irish processors now control over 50% of the UK processing faculities. It is considered that they have been able to do this by using cheap Irish Beef to underpin there UK purchases.

Three years ago the EU gave the go ahead for all EU countries to legislate for producer groups. Yes the Government has not done and the Irish farm lobby groups have not lobbied for it. There is a perception out there that if this happens that smaller finishers will benifit. Over the last 3 years the processosr have started to piss on top of the midsized finisher like Will. They now seem to only want to reward the ultra large finisher that is sending a few hundred cattle a week to slaughter.

In June this year as I send cattle for slaughter I saw an artic of heifers arrive at the factory. The lad drawing them for me told that 1-2 loads/day for 3 days a week were arriving to this factory from this finisher since late April. He said that the same finisher was supplying at least another 1-2 factory's with the same amount of cattle/week. That is up near a thousand cattle/week or maybe more.

This sort of finisher needs at least 20c/kg more than me or will to finish cattle to stay in business. Before the local procurement manager looked after his finishers that were sending in a load a week. Not no longer they might scrape 5c/kg more than me but that is about it.

Producer groups would level the field but there is no appetite for to change the system

Producer groups would change all that. It would take the gambling out of the game if you knew what the price in 80-90 days time was and you could fix into that price. But processosr do not want that. Neither do the big units with 3-4K cattle insitu as all pricimg would be transparent.

I have virtually exited the winter finishing game as it is unprofitable especially when you need to replace cattle in March/April for grass. Much better value for to overwinter stores and sell in June/July

Bigger finishers are only getting 10cent more than the rest of us. Saw a factory kill sheet a few months ago for 50ish cattle from a big finisher. I got as good of a base price as I could get anywhere and they were getting 10cent more.

How tall would you need to be or do they weigh you? I’d have dealings with a crowd doing 1200 a year and 5 cent would catch it but Jesus they have serious expenses, health issues that a small to medium lads wouldn’t come close to.

Limestone Cowboy · 17-08-2018 09:58AM

Sold a few 12-15 month old heifers this week. Fairly mixed quality wise and averaged 360kg at 2.20 a kilo. Not too happy but have a herd test coming up and didn't want them for the winter if I got caught. They didn't leave me anything anyway.

severeoversteer · 20-08-2018 08:50PM

do many people here sell to factory feedlots? if so how do ye get on with the buyer weight and prices etc?

Danzy · 21-08-2018 07:49PM

Spent an hour in Kanturk today.

Lot of Friesians around 400--425 around 1.18 a KG.
Lighter cattle got an awful battering.

Heifers above 400 KG holding ok, lot of Pollies around 300-350 were mid to late 400s.

Buyers thin on the ground.

Threw in the towel on the paddock kept for a late silage crop.

It'll be strip grazed, try to let the grass build elsewhere for the rest of the year, next month, mevermind the rest of the year.

It'll be a quare Mart in Sept/October unless there is a lot of rain in the next ten days.

On a positive note, saw a Friesian there, about 850 KGS, a pleasure to watch him.

RedPeppers · 23-08-2018 09:05PM

Have a 18 month angus bull (one I let up myself) that I let off for a couple of weeks with the cows to tidy up. Want to move him on now just wondering would there be any buyers for this type of bull in mart or would I be better off trying to finish him In a few months time? He’s 525kg

Cavanjack · 23-08-2018 10:34PM

RedPeppers wrote: »

Have a 18 month angus bull (one I let up myself) that I let off for a couple of weeks with the cows to tidy up. Want to move him on now just wondering would there be any buyers for this type of bull in mart or would I be better off trying to finish him In a few months time? He’s 525kg

If he's a good shape you could get 950 for him

CHOPS01 · 25-08-2018 06:14PM

Feb/March17 HEX x 6 443kg €860
Same x 5 432kg €810

Willfarman · 25-08-2018 09:15PM

Nothing soft about that considering straw and hay is been stolen around here. Desperation starting to creep in..

mf240 · 25-08-2018 10:24PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Nothing soft about that considering straw and hay is been stolen around here. Desperation starting to creep in..

Really. I didnt think farmers would but then if your desperate..

Bleating Lamb · 25-08-2018 10:25PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Nothing soft about that considering straw and hay is been stolen around here. Desperation starting to creep in..

Is it genuinely being stolen?

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