Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 09:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is worth reposting. In a nutshell, PlaneSpeeking has listed peoples questions about Ms Cash.
I would add what about personal responsibility. This is seriously lacking in this family.

Thanks Maryanne - that should be at the top!

valoren · 13-08-2018 09:03AM

My cousin a few years ago was long term unemployed. 5 years. He was married with two kids. Social housing.
They were getting by just fine as it was with the benefits. He interviewed for a job as a general operative with Pepsi. A really good-bite your hand off ya to get into Pepsi type job. He took the job but his salary compared to his then benefits was just €40 more per week. In essence, he was working for €1 per hour more than what he was already getting. When a well paying company such as Pepsi just about matches the state contributions for a married couple with two dependents it's no wonder long term unemployed with even more cash-generating assets i.e. dependents choose to remain as is. They might even demean people like my cousin as fools and in their cocooned mentality they may very well be right. Fortunately my cousin recognized that he wouldn't be on that salary forever and it would go up over time, that getting job experience was priceless but it was an interesting insight nonetheless.

13-08-2018 09:04AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I think people are forgetting that when she took the photo in the Garda Station she only had 6 children with her.

A short while before it she had posted a picture of her daughter at the hospital stating that is where she (the mother) would be spending the night.

The photos the next morning were of her and her 6 sons (daughter not there). I need to check back whether she said her daughter was in hospital still or elsewhere. I don’t think she was still in the hospital as that would have been as big a part of the story as the Garda station. Also, this is where the confusion over whether she had 6 or 7 children started.

Questions - did she go to hospital first thinking that they would all be there all night?
Were her sons with her at the hospital?
If her daughter was seen and discharged, where did the daughter go?
If her daughter stayed elsewhere, could whoever was looking after the daughter not have taken one of the boys too so that the house in Meath would meet requirements?

I read where the daughter was discharged and was staying with friends.

I wonder where the other kids were while she was at the hospital as she only shared a photo of the daughter?

James 007 · 13-08-2018 09:07AM

valoren wrote: »

My cousin a few years ago was long term unemployed. 5 years. He was married with two kids. Social housing.
They were getting by just fine as it was with the benefits. He interviewed for a job as a general operative with Pepsi. A really good-bite your hand off ya to get into Pepsi type job. He took the job but his salary compared to his then benefits was just €40 more per week. In essence, he was working for €1 more than what he was already getting. When a well paying company such as Pepsi just about matches the state contributions for a married couple with two dependents it's no wonder long term unemployed with even more dependent choose to remain as is. They might even demean people like my cousin as fools. In their cocooned mentality they'd be right. Fortunately my cousin recognized that he wouldn't be on that salary forever and it would go up over time, that getting job experience was priceless but it was an interesting insight.

Yes but I dont blame these people from taking advantage, I blame the gobberment for this!

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 09:13AM

James 007 wrote: »

Yes but I dont blame these people from taking advantage, I blame the gobberment for this!

According to another thread here, some dosser set fire to the lodging house and the comment was "the Government have a lot to answer for".

Best quote "only if Leo was seen sneaking away with a box of matches".

Honestly, is there NOTHING these people cannot blame on der gubernment ?

Melendez · 13-08-2018 09:14AM

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mfceiling · 13-08-2018 09:14AM

end of the road wrote: »

of course some people are unemployable. do you honestly think the woman who is the particular subject of this thread would be touched by any employer? of course not.

This woman is unemployable and she'll stay that way. She has too many kids to be able to mind them and hold down employment. Her childcare costs would be ridiculous. Better for her to sit at home on her arse and let the state pick up the tab for every single thing she needs.
It's a fool who works.

Sleeper12 · 13-08-2018 09:14AM

deco nate wrote: »

You are very Selective of your quotes, it has been pointed out to you many times to read the links of her enniscorthy case.
Yet you, for some reason have not read it. Or you have chosen to ignore posters on the matter.
I find this shocking, how can you ask for links to her criminal record. And when people post said links, you brush over and keep asking for it?!

It's in the fookin enniscorthy case link.

This keeps getting repeated yet it is not true. Please read the Enniscorthy case.

It very clearly says that her only conviction up to this point were foe traffic offenses. TRAFFIC not CRIMINAL. There is a huge difference between the two.

So she had no previous criminal convictions. She then gets convicted for handling stolen goods & gets the probation act. This in now her ONE & ONLY criminal conviction. To try make out otherwise is plain lying.

the Enniscorthy case has no mention of drink driving or being part of a traveler gang. These things seem to have been made up by the angry mob with pitch forks from boards

dav3 · 13-08-2018 09:17AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Again I am only going with what was reported. The newspaper said she was given a choice of a house but had to leave two kids behind.

Again, my point was if that was true then it wasn’t spin. But the main point was people jumped on a bandwagon and platform when all the facts weren’t presented and since a lot more of the backstory has come to light those same people have disappeared. The purpose of my post was that people shouldn’t have gotten involved so early until all the facts were there.

It has happened quite a lot recently. Example baby Alfie. Doctors and nurses from the hospital were being assaulted based on false information.

Time magazine cover of a child that was taken from its parents at US immigration. Turned out to be false reporting but not before millions of people jumped on a false bandwagon.

It has been reported long before this story even appeared that hotels won't overcrowd their rooms for obvious reasons. A large family usually requires a suite in a hotel.

This leaves the family with only a handful of choices after all avenues have been exhausted.

1) Sleep rough on the streets.
2) Leave one or more children behind to fend for themselves.
3) Follow the advice of the person on the end of the phone and head to your nearest Garda station with the hope of sorting accommodation for the following night (which is what happened in this case).

There are still plenty of people in this thread who believe the children were in their school uniforms and this was all staged. I'm not sure these people are open to looking at the bigger picture.

The only thing that appears staged, is the obvious coordinated attacks, across the internet, that follows any person claiming they are homeless lately.

tretorn · 13-08-2018 09:20AM

She also presented as homeless very late in the evening, this point was made by the Dublin Regional Homeless Executive. The Executive are now looking at options to deal with people presenting late in the evening. The Executive said something would have been found for her but Ms Cash made sure she didnt look for beds until very late, the aim was to get to the Garda Station for the photo opportunity. She thought this would surely push her to the top of the list for new public housing in Tallaght. She must have bedn raging when accommodation was found in Meath, no way was she going there, if she had she might have been left there, if I was in charge it would be to hell or to Meath.
The Charity played into her hands by coughing up the money for the apartment she is now in, what is she doing with this months Child Benefit, is she paying anything towards the current accommodation, I think we know the answer to that.

jaykay74 · 13-08-2018 09:26AM

Where is/are the father/s ? Maybe its just one...

bobbyss · 13-08-2018 09:26AM

I don't do Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and all that stuff as I wouldn't want to be putting myself about in that fashion.
I always had and have the feeling that it is for people who want to show off.

'This is me in Peru', 'Me and my new car' and so on. It's very easy to do that.

However, I always thought people would be slow to post 'Me outside the Dole office' or 'Me the day I got fired from my job' That kind of stuff.

Apparently Cash put a picture of a crate of beer on Facebook or wherever. This may have been the time of her child's confirmation. There even was a photo of the child in her dress I believe posted. (Posting pictures of your kids is another thing. Whatever about the stupidity of posting pictures of the food you are eating, putting your own kids on social media is the height of stupidity). She and her children were homeless, were they not, at that time?

What kind of person would do that? An eighteen year old? A 28 year old mother of 6?

Where are people's pride in themselves?

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 13-08-2018 09:27AM

In relation to sharing and separate rooms, it’s once children are over 10 and of opposite gender that they must have separate rooms.

Fir example, you couldn’t have a menstruating female teenager sharing a room with a male toddler.

She only has one daughter who for whatever reason is staying with relatives (medical I believe).

Is there a major issue with bits of different ages, infants aside, using bunk beds?

2 to a box room or 4 to a standard bedroom etc?

God be with the day me ma was raised in a 3 bed semi and there was 12 of them, it done the job, no crying out for ‘entitlements’ in those days

Sleeper12 · 13-08-2018 09:28AM

Vizzy wrote: »

You have changed your tune a bit since you started this thread.

Vizzy I suggest you read the whole thread

I start off opening the thread saying I believe the the Garda station was for publicity. About 12 hours later this was confirmed. She had been offered safe warm beds for her & her children. SHE decided to exploit her children for a photo shoot instead.

None of that has changed It was my opinion & it later became known as fact.

I left the thread alone for awhile as I found tubes tied, breading etc unpleasant reading (terms like this say a lot more about the poster than the woman in the case)

I came back to the thread to try weed out the lies being passed around as facts & yes it looks like I am defending her.

I think she is a horrible mother. I do believe social services should be called in but at the same time I don't see the logic in making up stories about her that are just lies.

In a nut shell my opinion of her & her stunt hasn't changed yet I'm not part of the lynch mob. I'm only interested in facts

13-08-2018 09:32AM

jaykay74 wrote: »

Where is/are the father/s ? Maybe its just one...

It’s just one father according to Ms Cash. She was very adamant about that in a radio interview the other day. I have no reason to disbelieve her. When questioned about him further and to where he is now she replied that it was a private matter.

The sun reported yesterday that he is on remand in clover hill (?). On her Facebook page he was in photos with the family at their daughters communion.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 09:35AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

It’s just one father according to Ms Cash. She was very adamant about that in a radio interview the other day. I have no reason to disbelieve her. When questioned about him further and to where he is now she replied that it was a private matter.

The sun reported yesterday that he is on remand in clover hill (?). On her Facebook page he was in photos with the family at their daughters communion.

Honestly, did we ever think the answer was going to be something akin to the plot of Auf Wiedersehen, Pet ?

No, t'was always going to be the slammer.

Sleeper12 · 13-08-2018 09:37AM

jaykay74 wrote: »

Where is/are the father/s ? Maybe its just one...

That has been covered over 100 pages back. He is on remand (not guilty yet) in Cloverhill. Assault charges I believe

2smiggy · 13-08-2018 09:37AM

turn on corks red fm now , it's all the gubbernents fault

One eyed Jack · 13-08-2018 09:38AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Get off the stage eh!

Bit rich PS you telling anyone get off the stage. You’ve dominated this thread spouting rabble rousing bollocks and theatrical martyrdom that would make Frank McCourt blush.

valoren wrote: »

When a well paying company such as Pepsi just about matches the state contributions for a married couple with two dependents it's no wonder long term unemployed with even more cash-generating assets i.e. dependents choose to remain as is.

That makes no sense mate. If an asset is generating income, it’s you is dependent upon the asset either increasing in value, or producing something which increases it’s value, not depreciating in value to the point where it’s a liability and it’s dependent upon you. Dependents are certainly not regarded as income generating assets.

bobbyss · 13-08-2018 09:39AM

valoren wrote: »

My cousin a few years ago was long term unemployed. 5 years. He was married with two kids. Social housing.
They were getting by just fine as it was with the benefits. He interviewed for a job as a general operative with Pepsi. A really good-bite your hand off ya to get into Pepsi type job. He took the job but his salary compared to his then benefits was just €40 more per week. In essence, he was working for €1 more than what he was already getting. When a well paying company such as Pepsi just about matches the state contributions for a married couple with two dependents it's no wonder long term unemployed with even more cash-generating assets i.e. dependents choose to remain as is. They might even demean people like my cousin as fools and in their cocooned mentality they may very well be right. Fortunately my cousin recognized that he wouldn't be on that salary forever and it would go up over time, that getting job experience was priceless but it was an interesting insight nonetheless.

Yes. Some people don't see this. Some people not prepared for the long haul.

jaykay74 · 13-08-2018 09:41AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

That has been covered over 100 pages back. He is on remand (not guilty yet) in Cloverhill. Assault charges I believe

There are 63 pages. Easier to ask surely that read over all the rubbish going back and forth. I was just curious, most fathers would do their best for their kids.

maynooth_rules · 13-08-2018 09:41AM

2smiggy wrote: »

turn on corks red fm now , it's all the gubbernents fault

They only give her 1000 euro a week. Disgraceful hurtful government.
I actually don't know why FG won't tackle this. Let's be fair, long term social welfare recipients who will never want to work simply don't or won't vote FG (we all know what parties they vote for). To put a cap on dole payments for long term unemployed would be a popular move from FG

Sleeper12 · 13-08-2018 09:42AM

jaykay74 wrote: »

There are 63 pages. Easier to ask surely that read over all the rubbish going back and forth. I was just curious, most fathers would do their best for their kids.

There are 166 pages on my PC

elefant · 13-08-2018 09:42AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

It’s just one father according to Ms Cash. She was very adamant about that in a radio interview the other day. I have no reason to disbelieve her. When questioned about him further and to where he is now she replied that it was a private matter.

The sun reported yesterday that he is on remand in clover hill (?). On her Facebook page he was in photos with the family at their daughters communion.

I think all the 'where is the father/are the fathers?' comments on this are harsh. Whatever about personal responsibility, lack thereof, expectations of the state to provide a lifestyle for you etc., there's no shame in being a single mother, or having children with different men. She's right to say it's a private matter.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 13-08-2018 09:43AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There are 166 pages on my PC

208 pages on my phone

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 13-08-2018 09:47AM

elefant wrote: »

I think all the 'where is the father/are the fathers?' comments on this are harsh. Whatever about personal responsibility, lack thereof, expectations of the state to provide a lifestyle for you etc., there's no shame in being a single mother, or having children with different men. She's right to say it's a private matter.

It’s one thing to say ‘where’s the father(s)’ but even if he/they were around it still doesn’t make the situation right.

I said it earlier on, it’s far more profitable to claim welfare when you aren’t listed as cohabiting/married etc. when he gets out he’ll probably be shacked up in a mansion with her banging them out like a popcorn machine

eviltwin · 13-08-2018 09:51AM

elefant wrote: »

I think all the 'where is the father/are the fathers?' comments on this are harsh. Whatever about personal responsibility, lack thereof, expectations of the state to provide a lifestyle for you etc., there's no shame in being a single mother, or having children with different men. She's right to say it's a private matter.

It's not about shaming her it's about shaming them. If you knew your child was homeless would you not step up and try and offer help. But it's all moot because he's in prison.

blackwhite · 13-08-2018 09:53AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I continue to say only because several posters want us to believe that she had more than 30 previous criminal convictions when it was read out in court that per ONLY previous convictions were for traffic offenses, this means her one & ONLY criminal conviction is for receiving stolen goods or possession of stolen goods. There is no link to suggest that the was part of a traveler gang. She was never charged with it & certainly not convicted of being a member of a criminal gang.

You're making a large leap of assumptions there.

RTA offences can be either summary offences or indictable offences. The vast majority are summary offences, but there are a number of indictable ones as well.
The evidence in Court didn't distinguish which types of convictions she has on her previous record - but it's not surprising to see you determined to jump to the conclusion that's most favorable to this criminal - and yet again claiming that your conclusions are undisputable facts, whilst demanding (and ignoring :rolleyes:) links from anyone who dares disagree with the narrative you are trying to peddle

blackwhite · 13-08-2018 09:57AM

Melendez wrote: »

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Garda Brauders is restricted in what he can state in evidence to the court - we aren't in a criminal court here, and anyone with half a brain can understand exactly why she was in the car.

It's telling the select few trying to tie themselves in knots to defend the actions of such lowlifes. Shows how little respect they have for actual law-abiding folks.

13-08-2018 09:59AM

elefant wrote: »

I think all the 'where is the father/are the fathers?' comments on this are harsh. Whatever about personal responsibility, lack thereof, expectations of the state to provide a lifestyle for you etc., there's no shame in being a single mother, or having children with different men. She's right to say it's a private matter.

I was a single mother (kids now adults, I’m now married) so I agree there is no shame. I don’t believe she is a single mother though. Just because her other half is now locked up doesn’t make her one. When he’s released, will he return to their family unit?

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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