Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

11-08-2018 09:48AM

TresGats wrote: »

Do keep up, the HAP was included already.
What to do? Cut their money and let them starve on the streets?

They couldn't go to the temp accom offered in Co. Meath as it would only accomodate 5 children, according to the article interviewing the head of the DRHE.

My mother grew up in a 3 bedroom house with 7 siblings and 2 parents. My father in law the same. There is no reason this woman and her children cannot live in any house offered to them free of charge by the state.

Sleeper12 · 11-08-2018 09:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? I don't. I think 50 years of paying taxes covers the cost of your participation in running the country for those 50 years, and that you're "enjoying" those benefits for those 50 years.

If you want a pension, pay into a private fund over time, and don't rely on the state.

Ok I worked form 14 to lets say 24 & paid taxes in those 10 years. Someone else continued in school, had a gap year & went to collage. All without paying tax or very little tax. While I helped support them/ How do you think that's fair? In those 10 years most others were a drain on society's funds. I wasn't. I paid a lot of tax & let me tell you in the 80s you really paid tax. If memory serves 36 percent lower band & 60 something percent higher. There was an even higher rate but I never hit it. VAT was 35 percent compared to todays 21 percent

Oh I have my pension. Not a private pension as they actually give bad value for money imo but I have businesses & property that will keep me comfortable past 100

That's not the point. The state pension is something everyone is entitled to regardless of other pension of income

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 11-08-2018 09:51AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Ok I worked form 14 to lets say 24 & paid taxes in those 10 years. Someone else continued in school, had a gap year & went to collage. All without paying tax or very little tax. While I helped support them/ How do you think that's fair? In those 10 years most others were a drain on society's funds. I wasn't. I paid a lot of tax & let me tell you in the 80s you really paid tax. If memory serves 36 percent lower band & 60 something percent higher. There was an even higher rate but I never hit it. VAT was 35 percent compared to todays 21 percent

Oh I have my pension. Not a private pension as they actually give bad value for money imo but I have businesses & property that will keep me comfortable past 100 That's not the point. The state pension is something everyone is entitled to regardless of other pension of income

My parents told me the high rate of tax was 65%

Sleeper12 · 11-08-2018 09:55AM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

My parents told me the high rate of tax was 65%

Yes, I did say 60 something percent

Doctors room ghost · 11-08-2018 09:59AM

Trailer parks and food stamps are the way forward and put an end to the nonsense of free money for sitting at home scratching your useless arse.
Its natural for these pond rats to lay about and breed if all they have to do is turn up at the post office once a week and sign their name for some cold hard cash
The same cash the rest of us bust our sacks working to earn. They have no respect for that money.
It's a fukn jokeshop of a country. A brand new transit van outside a welfare office and johnny no job inside signing his name.how did you afford the van johnny no job.find a bag of money was it?
It won't change though. The boys in the dail are the biggest crooks in the country and not a stone between them to stand up and stop the rot.
cant be much left in it now though.a welfare system that's a joke and a crumbling health service i think the foundation is well and truly fukd.

Gwynplaine · 11-08-2018 10:10AM

If you're unemployed and were never employed your tubes should be tied after 2 kids. Sponging off and draining the state.
Why are those kids in school uniforms?

PlaneSpeeking · 11-08-2018 10:11AM

Gwynplaine wrote: »

If you're unemployed and were never employed your tubes should be tied after 2 kids. Sponging off and draining the state.
Why are those kids in school uniforms?

Optics.

smelly sock · 11-08-2018 10:21AM

This lady has got the medical card also. 7 kids and herself and the father. 9 x free health care.

Sleeper12 · 11-08-2018 10:23AM

Gwynplaine wrote: »

If you're unemployed and were never employed your tubes should be tied after 2 kids. Sponging off and draining the state.
Why are those kids in school uniforms?

Your statement puts the blame on the mother. Does the father have no responsibility here??

You suggest invasive surgery for the mother yet daddy can go & have 20 more kids??

I doubt forcing invasive surgery will ever be allowed outside of Natzi Germany but even if you do bring in these laws they at least have to be gender balanced. You can't just blame the mothers.

22michael44 · 11-08-2018 10:30AM

work wrote: »

There are far too many people on the planet. Only fools and those deluded by religeon think having large numbers of kids is a good idea. The world is suffering under our numbers with polution and climate change.
I was shocked all the papers portray this family's plight but NONE seem to question her disgraceful irresponsible behaviour or investigate the situation to any depth.
Why when you read boards do you get a spectrum of opinion mostly the opposite of what the media portrays? The media seem at odds with public opinion and seem to push a ridiculously one sided agenda.
I have been tired of the media disconnect and dishonesty in this country for a long time but this takes the biscuit.

Boards leans to the right (to put it mildly) on social issues, this is pretty clear if you spend any time on here, whatever the issue is. i don't think Boards is 'reflective of public opinion', the loudest voices aren't always the ones who prevail.

mickdw · 11-08-2018 10:32AM

This traveller woman might just be the right woman in the right place at the right time to allow people to begin to turn the tide on this welfare nonsense.
There has to be a welfare cap brought in.
There must be an annual income figure where a working person or couple are no longer entitled to any welfare assistance.
This figure should immediately be marked as the welfare cap. Should be easy to do.
In terms of housing. A working person buys a house they can afford. It will certainly result in many children per bedroom when young if they have a large family possibly extending or moving as years go on.
welfare recipients appear to be entitled to have large houses paid for them if they have large family. I don't understand it.
Also this idea of turning down paid for private rental all so that they hold out for a 'house for life' council property is a scandal all of its own. To hear then claim they are turning down the rental because it's not a permanent home and the landlord could tell them to move out is a joke. People who pay their own rent are in similar situation yet have to make do.

tom1ie · 11-08-2018 10:32AM

gctest50 wrote: »

odd that isn't it ?

what could it be ?

Birds of a feather flock together etc

eg :

Butterssukis' excellent FEF :

Never even listened to that station before, I suppose I’m just surprised to have heard a view that echos my own and judging by social media, the vast majority of the country’s view.
I’m gonna stop singing that stations praises now though. Good point.

smelly sock · 11-08-2018 10:33AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Your statement puts the blame on the mother. Does the father have no responsibility here??

You suggest invasive surgery for the mother yet daddy can go & have 20 more kids??

I doubt forcing invasive surgery will ever be allowed outside of Natzi Germany but even if you do bring in these laws they at least have to be gender balanced. You can't just blame the mothers.

The state doesnt seem to think so.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 11-08-2018 10:33AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Your statement puts the blame on the mother. Does the father have no responsibility here??

You suggest invasive surgery for the mother yet daddy can go & have 20 more kids??

I doubt forcing invasive surgery will ever be allowed outside of Natzi Germany but even if you do bring in these laws they at least have to be gender balanced. You can't just blame the mothers.

Both the mother and father are to blame here, but what is still going on in this fine country of ours is that father's are allowed to go unnamed on a child's birth cert if the mother so chooses.

It was proposed to change it that the father had to be named or 'Father unknown' was put on the birth cert, to date this hasn't happened and knowing this country it never will.

There is no incentive to work anymore when you see these cases, and lets face it, what is the likelihood she'll ever work, 28 with 7 kids all under 11, it's very feasible she could have another 7 in the next 11 years no problem.

You'll not find one single politician who is in favour of changing the welfare system to discourage this kind of carry on though, instead they'll all have sympathy and call for even further welfare increases which will need to be paid for through higher taxation.

erica74 · 11-08-2018 10:34AM

Cap children's allowance at 2 children, if you want more, pay for them yourself.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 11-08-2018 10:35AM

erica74 wrote: »

Cap children's allowance at 2 children, if you want more, pay for them yourself.

But but but...……………. They're ENTITLED

tom1ie · 11-08-2018 10:36AM

22michael44 wrote: »

Boards leans to the right (to put it mildly) on social issues, this is pretty clear if you spend any time on here, whatever the issue is. i don't think Boards is 'reflective of public opinion', the loudest voices aren't always the ones who prevail.

To be fair it’s not just boards. There’s outrage on most social media sites and even, would you believe it, the REAL world!!

11-08-2018 10:37AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Ok I worked form 14 to lets say 24 & paid taxes in those 10 years. Someone else continued in school, had a gap year & went to collage. All without paying tax or very little tax. While I helped support them/ How do you think that's fair? In those 10 years most others were a drain on society's funds. I wasn't. I paid a lot of tax & let me tell you in the 80s you really paid tax. If memory serves 36 percent lower band & 60 something percent higher. There was an even higher rate but I never hit it. VAT was 35 percent compared to todays 21 percent

I'm not going to get into an argument about who has contributed more, since it doesn't matter. We've all paid a lot of tax over the decades.

Oh I have my pension. Not a private pension as they actually give bad value for money imo but I have businesses & property that will keep me comfortable past 100 That's not the point. The state pension is something everyone is entitled to regardless of other pension of income

And that's my beef. Entitled. I don't agree. This sense of entitlement is ridiculous in a country the size of Ireland, and with it's rather small population. Throw in the mismanagement by successive governments and the ability of Ireland to cover all these "entitlements" diminishes drastically.

Now... if the only thing available was the State pension, I could understand it's existence, but there are far more "benefits" or entitlements that people feel the State should be providing. And it's unrealistic.

Sleeper12 · 11-08-2018 10:39AM

smelly sock wrote: »

The state doesnt seem to think so.

Going by that train of thought the state doesn't think forced invasive surgery is a good idea as it breaks just about every international human rights law

I can't see the rest of the world standing by

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 11-08-2018 10:40AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not going to get into an argument about who has contributed more, since it doesn't matter. We've all paid a lot of tax over the decades.

And that's my beef. Entitled. I don't agree. This sense of entitlement is ridiculous in a country the size of Ireland, and with it's rather small population. Throw in the mismanagement by successive governments and the ability of Ireland to cover all these "entitlements" diminishes drastically.

Now... if the only thing available was the State pension, I could understand it's existence, but there are far more "benefits" or entitlements that people feel the State should be providing. And it's unrealistic.

One needs to ask themselves though, even when the Troika came in here in 2010, they allowed this carry on to continue, yes welfare was reduced, but it is now gone back up to a level that is only €6 a week off the personal rate when they came in, €204 it was then, by the next budget it could easily match that despite Doherty saying it is unlikely, there is an election coming.

Next time the country goes bust, and it will, they'll be back again and taking a lot more tax from you and I to give to these individuals.

11-08-2018 10:41AM

22michael44 wrote: »

Boards leans to the right (to put it mildly) on social issues, this is pretty clear if you spend any time on here, whatever the issue is. i don't think Boards is 'reflective of public opinion', the loudest voices aren't always the ones who prevail.

I'll think you'll find that boards leans both ways depending on the topic in hand. There are plenty of topics here which overwhelmingly bring out liberal or "left" sympathies, just as there are topic that go the other way.

The lack of sympathy for someone like Cash is simply a sign that peoples patience is wearing thin on these kinds of cases.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 11-08-2018 10:43AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Going by that train of thought the state doesn't think forced invasive surgery is a good idea as it breaks just about every international human rights law

I can't see the rest of the world standing by

Imagine if this was America

https://thestir.cafemom.com/parenting_news/174058/judge_orders_father_of_7

Fann Linn · 11-08-2018 10:43AM

mickdw wrote: »

This traveller woman might just be the right woman in the right place at the right time to allow people to begin to turn the tide on this welfare nonsense.
There has to be a welfare cap brought in.
There must be an annual income figure where a working person or couple are no longer entitled to any welfare assistance.
This figure should immediately be marked as the welfare cap. Should be easy to do.
In terms of housing. A working person buys a house they can afford. It will certainly result in many children per bedroom when young if they have a large family possibly extending or moving as years go on.
welfare recipients appear to be entitled to have large houses paid for them if they have large family. I don't understand it.
Also this idea of turning down paid for private rental all so that they hold out for a 'house for life' council property is a scandal all of its own. To hear then claim they are turning down the rental because it's not a permanent home and the landlord could tell them to move out is a joke. People who pay their own rent are in similar situation yet have to make do.

You're joking right? About turning the tide? The criticism levelled at Margaret Cash was described as unfair and unwarranted a few minutes back on Bobby Kerr's NT show.

'We have a responsibility to look after those who cannot look after themselves', was the reply.
No mention however of Margaret Cash or her husband/partner having the need to be responsible.

Mongfinder General · 11-08-2018 10:45AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Fcuk working eh? Pump out 7 kids and get almost €1,000 per week tax free.

Disgusting.

Action needed. That is a dreadful smack in the face to anyone working and contributing in this country.

A very easy fix here. All income, earned and unearned is now subject to paye, prsi, usc etc at the applicable rates and thresholds.

Cowardly ****s in government don’t have the balls to do it. Didn’t even have the tsct to fob it off on the troika when they had the chance

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 11-08-2018 10:45AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

You're joking right? About turning the tide? The criticism levelled at Margaret Cash was described as unfair and unwarranted a few minutes back on Bobby Kerr's NT show.

'We have a responsibility to look after those who cannot look after themselves', was the reply.
No mention however of Margaret Cash or her husband/partner having the need for responibility.

For welfare purposes these people vanish into thin air, by doing so it increases their personal gains for not just her, but for him as well.

11-08-2018 10:46AM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

One needs to ask themselves though, even when the Troika came in here in 2010, they allowed this carry on to continue, yes welfare was reduced, but it is now gone back up to a level that is only €6 a week off the personal rate when they came in, €204 it was then, by the next budget it could easily match that despite Doherty saying it is unlikely, there is an election coming.

Next time the country goes bust, and it will, they'll be back again and taking a lot more tax from you and I to give to these individuals.

Ahh but it really depends on the evaluation of the person, and their circumstances. When I first returned to Ireland, I went on JS. 114 euro a week. That's it. I left JS as quickly as possible. People like to throw around these high figure like everyone on SW is swimming in benefits. They're not. Many people are, but to suggest everyone on SW is living that "well" is misleading.

But when SW can provide a level of income greater than working.... that's a total piss-take.

Sleeper12 · 11-08-2018 10:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not going to get into an argument about who has contributed more, since it doesn't matter. We've all paid a lot of tax over the decades.

And that's my beef. Entitled. I don't agree. This sense of entitlement is ridiculous in a country the size of Ireland, and with it's rather small population. Throw in the mismanagement by successive governments and the ability of Ireland to cover all these "entitlements" diminishes drastically.

Now... if the only thing available was the State pension, I could understand it's existence, but there are far more "benefits" or entitlements that people feel the State should be providing. And it's unrealistic.

The bit in bold made me laugh. You obviously wont be working anywhere near 54 years before a state pension so that's a very easy statement to make.

You then go on about entitled. How about we cut your pension by 20 percent to level the playing field? You will find this unpalatable because you feel ENTITLED to the full pension. The bottom line is that everyone feels entitled to something. It's easy to label someone as entitled. Yet we all feel entitled to some degree

11-08-2018 10:49AM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

For welfare purposes these people vanish into thin air, by doing so it increases their personal gains for not just her, but for him as well.

To be fair, we know nothing about the Father or fathers. He/they could be providing child support or providing in other ways. Or Cash mightn't even know who the fathers are. Or that she hasn't allowed them any involvement in the lives of their children.

I haven't seen anything on this thread that gives any real detail on the father/fathers.

YFlyer · 11-08-2018 10:49AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

You're joking right? About turning the tide? The criticism levelled at Margaret Cash was described as unfair and unwarranted a few minutes back on Bobby Kerr's NT show.

'We have a responsibility to look after those who cannot look after themselves', was the reply.
No mention however of Margaret Cash or her husband/partner having the need to be responsible.

He would shoot himself in the foot if he said different considering he is promoting 'Business for Homeless' or whatever its called.

Mongfinder General · 11-08-2018 10:51AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

You're joking right? About turning the tide? The criticism levelled at Margaret Cash was described as unfair and unwarranted a few minutes back on Bobby Kerr's NT show.

'We have a responsibility to look after those who cannot look after themselves', was the reply.
No mention however of Margaret Cash or her husband/partner having the need to be responsible.

I think this may be a turning point. We are back at boom time economic performance and a lot of people like myself have fcuk all excerpt a 50% tax rate and rent/mortgage they can’t afford. When you see a stunt like this backfire it pisses off tax payers.

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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