Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2

brianregan09 · 06-08-2018 12:38PM

Don't get me wrong before the 1st film to most people Guardians were nobodies and an absolute unknown quantity and your spot on it was Gunn and the cast that made that work.

I do feel the sequel wasn't as good though the whole idea of having Ego the living planet being Quill's father was awful and unnecessary use of that character when Quill's father in the comics would have worked just aswell , They had Batista have a few funny lines in the 1st one but they fully made him into a walking punchline in the 2nd , It was a good movie but not on a par with the 1st one

Can another director come in and do a good job , of course it would be silly to suggest otherwise

As for Big Dave I really like him I was so excited to see him get a role in 007 and I do hope he goes on to bigger and better things , I rather him to the Rock

As for Marvel pulling a DC , I don't know about the reason DC's issues are always brought up is they haven't made a good movie in there extended universe bar Wonder Woman, I think this and many other things like actors and directors falling out of favor (norton, terrence howard, hugo weaving, natalie portman, edgar wright,wheedon) or whatever reason are all brushed under the rug because Marvel consistently makes great films and there just coming off the back of there 2 biggest selling films and biggest successes in Black Panther and Avengers 3 and there taking aim at the female audience next with Captain Marvel, I don't think DC is even in the same stratosphere any more

Basq · 06-08-2018 01:18PM

brianregan09 wrote: »

Can another director come in and do a good job , of course it would be silly to suggest otherwise

Unfortunately he also wrote them.. which, while they were directed with flair, the writing is where they excelled.

Could Thor: Ragnarok have been made without Taika Waititi? Presumably.. but it would have been HUGELY different as his style and sparking writing was littered all over it.

It's a shame to see Gunn go.. he clearly loved doing these movies.

What i won't be glad to see the back of are the ridiculous brigade of keyboard warriors on social media when anyone shows any support for Gunn.

brianregan09 · 06-08-2018 01:57PM

Yeah but didn't Edgar Wright also leave with a full script completed I'm pretty sure they'd work off that and make changes

Gbear · 06-08-2018 02:14PM

brianregan09 wrote: »

Yeah but didn't Edgar Wright also leave with a full script completed I'm pretty sure they'd work off that and make changes

It'd be great if they saw this third film as a bit of a shot to nothing so just handed it over, lock, stock and barrel, to someone like Wright, gave him the space to work he wasn't given for Antman to tempt him, as well as a dumptruck of cash.

I can't really see the actors going on revolt or anything. Disney can't really back down at this point or forever weaken their hands in these kinds of situations.

They should probably sack someone involved in the decision though, for being a plum.

If they get a good guy in who shows respect for the previous work done then I think everyone will get on board.

ScrubsfanChris · 06-08-2018 02:21PM

brianregan09 wrote: »

Yeah but didn't Edgar Wright also leave with a full script completed I'm pretty sure they'd work off that and make changes

Not quite, Marvel wanted new writers (Adam McKay and some un-named) to come in a do a new draft of the more or less completed script Wright and Joe Cornish had written.

Wright left because he felt he would no longer be directing his vision/story, only reason he signed on in the first place.

We'll never know how much of their script was reworked, but it was enough for Wright to leave.

pixelburp · 06-08-2018 02:49PM

Ant Man doesn't feel like a good comparison either as the end product, for me, ranks as the most ostensibly bland and aggressively "OK" of the MCU output, bar perhaps Dr Strange. That when people complain about the mediocrity or sameness of the franchise - that's the film I think of.

We can't know for sure what Edgar Wright's version might have been like but his CV speaks of a creativity and energy the eventual Ant Man simply doesn't possess. My worry for GotG3 is Marvel hire another Peyton Reed and the air goes out of the MCUs more vibrant, off beat brand.

ERG89 · 06-08-2018 02:57PM

Really enjoyed GOTG but the sequel was a real drop off in quality. I imagine a lot of the cast don't want it to be seen to end though so don't want to change anything.

Lithium93_ · 06-08-2018 08:18PM

Batista willing to walk if Gunns's script isn't used for Guardians 3.

https://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/exclusive-dave-bautista-interview-james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-firing-quit-twitter/368730

Where I’m at right now is that if Marvel don’t use that script, then I’m going to ask them to release me from my contract, cut me out or recast me.

I’d be doing James a disservice if I didn’t.

pixelburp · 06-08-2018 09:18PM

Wow, OK, so now things truly have escalated. Brave move by Batista, his loyalty is to be admired and puts the rest of the cast in a suddenly awkward situation - especially if that joint statement was as much as they thought they'd need to make. Couldn't interesting if this becomes an "I'm Sparticus" moment or not...

ScrubsfanChris · 06-08-2018 09:20PM

All of the principle GOTG cast signed a (supposedly) 6 picture deal from the start. So fat chance he gets released from his contract after just completing 3.
Natalie Portman tried to do the same when Patty Jenkins was shown the door on Thor Dark World.

No douth if he quits under contract Disney will bankrupt him in court just because.

Im not siding with Disney here obviously, but thats just what is going to happen.

Lithium93_ · 06-08-2018 09:30PM

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

All of the principle GOTG cast signed a (supposedly) 6 picture deal from the start. So fat chance he gets released from his contract after just completing 3.
Natalie Portman tried to do the same when Patty Jenkins was shown the door on Thor Dark World.

No douth if he quits under contract Disney will bankrupt him in court just because.

Im not siding with Disney here obviously, but that just what is going to happen.

That supposed 6 film deal would be almost finished now, Guardians trilogy, Avengers 3 & 4, not sure about the 6th film as Gunn (before this whole ****storm over his decade old tweets came to the surface) had planned on ending Guardians after 3 films, which he said himself to Entertainment Weekly back in April 2017.

I think really that the three movies work together as a whole, they’re going to tell one story. This is the story of this iteration of the Guardians of the Galaxy, and we’re going to get to know the characters even better in the same way we got to know them much better in this film than the first one. I wouldn’t have said yes if I didn’t have a fairly clear idea of where we were going and what we were going to do. I’m not a guy that’s just going to do it if I don’t have a vision for it. So, I’m very excited.

http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/20/james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-trilogy/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

So I'd say Batista once his contract is finished, he'll walk away from it.

ScrubsfanChris · 06-08-2018 09:36PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

That supposed 6 film deal would be almost finished now, Guardians trilogy, Avengers 3 & 4, not sure about the 6th film as Gunn (before this whole ****storm over his decade old tweets came to the surface) had planned on ending Guardians after 3 films, which he said himself to Entertainment Weekly back in April 2017.

http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/20/james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-trilogy/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

So I'd say Batista once his contract is finished, he'll walk away from it.

No doubt he could leave after the contract is up, but as long as it includes Gaurdians 3 then he aint going anywhere, Gunn script or not.

FunLover18 · 06-08-2018 09:38PM

Wonder if using Gunn's script with a new director might be the best compromise/outcome.

Tony EH · 06-08-2018 09:38PM

Bautista is certainly taking things to a new level here. Kind of nice to see the big lump make a stand on this.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss whether there's another 'Guardians of the Galaxy' film or not. The last two were far too twee and silly for me and the whole MCU is just tiresome. But, Disney need a few slaps. They're getting way too big for their already outsized britches.

kerplun k · 06-08-2018 09:40PM

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

All of the principle GOTG cast signed a (supposedly) 6 picture deal from the start. So fat chance he gets released from his contract after just completing 3.
Natalie Portman tried to do the same when Patty Jenkins was shown the door on Thor Dark World.

No douth if he quits under contract Disney will bankrupt him in court just because.

Im not siding with Disney here obviously, but thats just what is going to happen.

Yep, I’m pretty sure the contract is ironclad, but the question is, do Disney really want an actor to star in a movie he’s publicly stated he doesn’t want to be in? There’s only one outcome here. Rehire Gunn or no more GOTG films. At least with the original guardians anyway.

It’s a spectacular OG from Disney. Well done guys, you just successfully blew a 1 billion dollar movie franchise to appease a bunch of Alt-right chumps... Hilarious.

It’s kinda funny, because Bautista is behaving exactly how I would expect Drax to react in a fictional GOTG movie with a similar premise.

pjohnson · 06-08-2018 09:42PM

Yeah the issue is a situation forcing unhappy cast to make a movie they dont want to do for a director they dont want to work for. The movie would probably be made due to the contract but it'd be utterly phoned in.

kerplun k · 06-08-2018 09:47PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Yeah the issue is a situation forcing unhappy cast to make a movie they dont want to do for a director they dont want to work for. The movie would probably be made due to the contract but it'd be utterly phoned in.

Yep. If Disney push ahead, that’s exactly how I see it playing out.

johnny_ultimate · 06-08-2018 09:53PM

Fair play to Bautista - in a world where it seems like creatives operating at that level are generally discouraged from speaking out of line (it at least feels that way), to see somebody being legitimately, consistently outspoken and principled over a cynical corporate decision is a welcome change. Given Bautista himself is probably the least 'bankable' of the core Guardians and therefore has potentially the most to lose for speaking out - and with no equivocating language (although in fairness to Pratt, Saldana et al, their additional personalised comments were less ambiguous than the carefully-worded joint statemet) - it's especially admirable.

Sad Professor · 06-08-2018 10:04PM

Yeah, fair play to Bautista for having the balls to say it. Although to be clear, he is not threatening to walk out on his contract, just that he may "ask" to be released from it.

Mostly this is a big PR headache for Disney. And the problem is they can't deal with Bautista without provoking the rest of the cast. And if they rehire Gunn they face a backlash from the deranged radlibs on social media who don't feel the loyalty to Gunn that liberals feel.

Disney is between a rock and hard place. They really didn't think this through.

Gbear · 06-08-2018 11:39PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

Yeah, fair play to Bautista for having the balls to say it. Although to be clear, he is not threatening to walk out on his contract, just that he may "ask" to be released from it.

Mostly this is a big PR headache for Disney. And the problem is they can't deal with Bautista without provoking the rest of the cast. And if they rehire Gunn they face a backlash from the deranged radlibs on social media who don't feel the loyalty to Gunn that liberals feel.

Disney is between a rock and hard place. They really didn't think this through.

Wasn't it supposedly Perlmutter who fired him?

Maybe they'd just be happy to be rid of him and blame the whole thing on him?

Course, he'd hardly go quietly into the night either. He sounds like a bit of a weapon.

brianregan09 · 07-08-2018 01:31AM

No it was a guy called Alan horn and apparently iger is going to have a meeting about it when he returns from vacation

brevity · 07-08-2018 09:39AM

Disney could save some face by using the script but getting in a director that would hold sway both with the actors and the fans.

Maybe the guy who directed Paddington 2 - Paul King? According to his Wikipedia entry, he is earmarked for Disney's Pinocchio so he is known to them. He also directed The Mighty Boosh so would be more than OK with the weird and wonderful world of GotG

Unearthly · 07-08-2018 10:42AM

Bautista hates Disney as much as Tarantino now. I can see what his 10th film will be now....Dave and Quentin go on a 3 hour revenge mission to shoot anyone associated with Disney dead

correction · 07-08-2018 12:50PM

I don't think any of this will have a major affect. I don't think the general audience cares a whole lot so it won't affect the box office in any way and with it being a Disney Marvel film it won't be a bad movie, it'll be much the same as the rest of them.

The cast will do what they're told. They are largely nobodies with very little sway, Chris Pratt will value his career more than he values James Gunn ultimately. I'd be a lot more interested in this saga if someone like Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCaprio (I know they wouldn't be interested in a movie like this anyway) was in this and threw their support behind Gunn, we might see Disney sweat a bit then.

HandsomeBob · 07-08-2018 06:20PM

Dave owes a lot to Gunn so it really is heartening to see him show such loyalty. I honestly don't think he gives a **** tbh about playing games (I always got that vibe from him) and he would happily walk back into wrestling to open arms if his acting career did get blackballed.

PTH2009 · 07-08-2018 10:40PM

There caught by the balls a bit

If Batista was to leave than the drax character would be dead in the weather as another actor could simply not just slot in after 4 movies. It worked for the hulk but that was only after one movie and the movie/story itself is not really memorial

FunLover18 · 09-08-2018 07:31PM

So, there's a chance they'll still use Gunn's script.

Sad Professor · 09-08-2018 08:04PM

Starting to look like maybe they will try to extinguish this by hiring Gunn for some other Disney project.

Agent Coulson · 10-08-2018 12:34PM

Possible Reprieve On James Gunn & ‘Guardians’ As Marvel Back Channels With Disney?

EXCLUSIVE: Might there be a glimmer of hope for change of heart in the quick banishment of Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn from the Magic Kingdom? Nobody is talking about it, but sources said that back channel conversations are taking place between Marvel Studios and Disney. Sources said the Marvel contingent is trying to persuade Disney to explore a compromise that might bring Gunn back into the fold for Guardians 3, something that clearly would be best for the franchise. There is no clash or strong arming here. I’m told it’s a discussion that comes in the wake of the whole cast declaring their loyalty to Gunn, whose abrupt exit has put a thriving film franchise in a rocky place. One would have to label this 11th hour approach to be a long shot, but the community is talking about it.

On Disney Vision: "We Won't Be Getting Into Any...
Gunn’s regrettable Tweets offered indefensible comments on spectacularly serious subjects like pedophilia and rape, written as long as a decade ago. They were collected and published by The Daily Caller, One America News Network correspondent Jack Posobiec and right wing commentator Mike Cernovich, apparently after Gunn mocked conservative pundit Ben Shapiro. Initial reports encouraged readers to complain to Disney, and the studio responded quickly and decisively to complete a stunning take down: “The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him,” said Alan Horn, Walt Disney Studios chairman.

It would not be surprising that Marvel Studios’ Kevin Feige would make one last try at rapprochement. Disney’s quick guillotine contrasted dramatically to CBS’s handling of the Les Moonves controversy. Though his problems are self-inflicted, Gunn was banished for an incredibly poor choice of words; Moonves continues to run CBS, pending an investigation into allegations of serious sexual harassment bordering on sexual assault. Anyone at Disney would be hard pressed to say the quick hook has benefited the Guardians franchise. The entire cast unanimously wants Gunn back, even as they acknowledge he was an idiot, at a time he was graduating from the Troma schlock horror factory and attempting to be some kind of satirical provocateur. Gunn remains eminently hire-able and a studio chief told me recently he’s eager to give him a picture once Gunn is free of Disney.

Disney and Marvel want to move forward quickly with the next Guardians installment, and one of the reasons the Chris Pratt-starrer Cowboy Ninja Viking stalled at Universal this week was because the film was undergoing rewrites too close to start of production — a recipe for problems — and it was clear Pratt was on a tight timeline because he has to suit up to play Starlord. Gunn has written a script and Dave Bautista has gone as far as declaring he won’t want to reprise his Drax character unless Marvel uses Gunn’s version. All of this has created acrimony and destabilized a crowd pleasing franchise that grossed a collective $1.6 billion worldwide, with the sequel earning more than the original.

In this white-hot moment, there seems to be a new controversy each day for corporate leaders to navigate. It seems clear what is best for a film franchise that will become damaged goods for the next director. Some have posited that the precocious Thor: Ragnarok‘s Taika Waititi as a perfect fit, but what principled filmmaker will feel good about taking over in such circumstances?

Can even as mighty and as family friendly a corporation as Disney consider being changeable here? Stay tuned.

https://deadline.com/2018/08/james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-marvel-studios-disney-eleventh-hour-save-attempt-1202443199/

Sad Professor · 16-08-2018 03:42PM

According to Variety, Gunn is definitely not returning. Disney had a courtesy meeting with him in which he asked for a second chance. Disney (Alan Horn) said no.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-disney-firing-1202907016/

Don't feel too sorry for Gunn though. The payout is expected to be as high as $10 million. And the other studios are lining up to work with him.

Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2

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