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Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,699 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    They’re lazy edgelord jokes at best. But make no mistake: this was an outrage manufactured by trolls like Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec who give not one single **** about the jokes and were just out for blood. Another grim chapter in the culture wars.
    Yeah but 9 years ago. Plenty of us have changed our views in much shorter time. GOTG was Gunns baby. This is ridiculous.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,008 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Yikes, I take it the execs hadnt watched super then or he never would have got the GOTG gig in the first place if this is anything to go by.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    For lazy edgelord jokes they sure end's up in the pedo end of the pool fairly often.


    https://i.redd.it/lmvcunn8n2b11.jpg


    He was also was quick enough to try and get Laura Ingraham fired via Twitter outrage as well as having a go at other people simply because they had a difference of opinion.



    Live by the Twitter mob, lose your job via the Twitter mob when it turns on you.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    It's been suggested this was revenge for Roseanne.

    I hate to say it but if you empower witch finder generals and send them on moral crusades, the reactionary gargoyles on the right are going to fire back. American conservatives have decades of experience of exposing liberals as hypocrites. They can do it their sleep. The funny thing is the way liberals are right now they'll probably devour Gunn all by themselves.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    Wow, he’s actually fired.
    Some of those tweets are shocking tho.

    What I don’t get is that these tweets have publicly existed since 2009. Why all of a sudden, is this highlighted now?


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 28,974 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    kerplun k wrote: »
    Why all of a sudden, is this highlighted now?

    Hello! Welcome to 2018, you must be new here! :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    I’m gobsmacked.
    I don’t know how I feel about this.
    On one hand, the tweets are shocking, I know he was joking, but they don’t read well, there’s no getting around it, he crosses the line, but on the other hand, it was almost a decade ago, and funny or not, it was tweeted in jest.

    Should Disney now go back and look at the social media history of every actor, writer, director and fire anyone who’s said something controversial on SM? It’s just crazy.

    When is the past the past? I guess in terms of social media, it’s never. Note to everyone, never voice your honest opinion on your public social media account because everything you say will be recorded forever, and at any point can be used against you, Just stick to the Kardashian model and use it to sell f**king idiots make up and a false image and sense of worth, and never ever, ever think about saying anything honest or of any value. Don’t even think about using it to honesty express yourself.

    It’s just f**king crazy.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Yeah, this sets an absolutely ridiculous precedent. The first Guardian movie came out in 2014. Gunn made these comment in 2009, long before he was employed by Disney. How can Disney justify firing him for this now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Shame really, GTG was easily the best Marvel offering even if 2 was "more of the same".

    I wonder if paddy power are offering odds on his brother directing 3.....................


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,147 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    It's been suggested this was revenge for Roseanne.

    I hate to say it but if you empower witch finder generals and send them on moral crusades, the reactionary gargoyles on the right are going to fire back. American conservatives have decades of experience of exposing liberals as hypocrites. They can do it their sleep. The funny thing is the way liberals are right now they'll probably devour Gunn all by themselves.

    Dan Fienberg (THR TV critic) said Disney didn't care much about Roseanne's old tweets until the one that got her fired. Whether this is revenge for that dismissal, I don't know. Agree with johnny that social media is a mess with people throwing rocks at each other.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I imagine right now every Hollywood director on Twitter is deleting all their tweets. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    It's been suggested this was revenge for Roseanne.

    I hate to say it but if you empower witch finder generals and send them on moral crusades, the reactionary gargoyles on the right are going to fire back. American conservatives have decades of experience of exposing liberals as hypocrites. They can do it their sleep. The funny thing is the way liberals are right now they'll probably devour Gunn all by themselves.




    It's looking like it was over Mark Duplass, one of the main cast members from The League TV show, who made a comment about following Ben Shapiro on Twitter.

    “I don’t agree with him on much be he’s a genuine person who once helped me for no other reason than to be nice,” Duplass wrote on Twitter to his over 400,000 followers. “He doesn’t bend the truth. His intentions are good.”


    The outrage mob turned on the guy who deleted his tweets and Gunn it seems stepped in to defend his friend (Duplass).



    "Maybe you disagree with Mark Duplass, which is completely fair (personally I think even Ben Shapiro’s mother should unfollow him), Gunn wrote. But that doesn’t make Duplass’ point-of-view evil. There are a lot of traitors & racists in the country today. Perhaps save the outrage for them. Mark Duplass tweeting how you should follow an asshole because he thinks it’s the kind thing to do simply can’t be the bar for moral outrage,” Gunn added."




    This put Gunn in the crosshairs of the mob who wen't a poking in his Tweets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,686 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I imagine right now every Hollywood director on Twitter is deleting all their tweets. :D

    And actor, actress, writer, any working Hollywood celeb :P 2018 is the year of #Metoo and trial by social media


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭nix


    I imagine right now every Hollywood director on Twitter is deleting all their tweets. :D

    To be honest, I'm surprised Gunn didnt do it before his job interview for GOTG, thats pre-cover letter **** right there :pac:

    Very very lame stuff this all is at the end of the day :(


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,203 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Went to the cinema, and come back to find this. Man we just can't have anything nice anymore (though Incredibles 2 was great )

    Gunns tweets are pretty appalling attempts at edgy humour mind you - not that it justifies a sacking at all at all, but there is part of me that thinks: well, people need to learn that these days Tweets, posts are you saying these things. It's a stream of consciousness. If it sounds awful being spoken, and wouldn't dream of sharing it outloud, then don't post it online.

    The retroactive sacking is galling though - and bang goes the remaining true creative talent in the MCU. Guess its the Russos forever and ever now. Yay.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Sirsok


    I'd take a taika waitit guardians movies since last Thor was basically asguardians of the galaxy


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,203 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh yeah, forgot about Watiti, OK so there's still a sliver. He'd be a good choice for GotG3 anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Frank O. Pinion


    kerplun k wrote: »
    Should Disney now go back and look at the social media history of every actor, writer, director and fire anyone who’s said something controversial on SM?
    ...yes? I, for one, have plenty more popcorn to eat. More stupid drama, please. To me, conservatives trying to defend Roseanne is just as funny as liberals trying to defend Gunn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    ...yes? I, for one, have plenty more popcorn to eat. More stupid drama, please. To me, conservatives trying to defend Roseanne is just as funny as liberals trying to defend Gunn.


    http://archive.is/ALlit

    Well as Gunn himself said


    "I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is AND isn’t. Roseanne is allowed to say whatever she wants. It doesn’t mean @ABCNetwork needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent. "




    So he must be really happy with this outcome :pac:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 28,974 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Yeah, this sets an absolutely ridiculous precedent.

    With Roseanne at least it was a fresh controversy. That said, there’s been a few cases recently of publications having to unhire new hires nearly immediately after someone went a scavenging through tweets: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ny-times-hires-quickly-fires-quinn-norton-journalist-with-history-of-homophobic-tweets (a legitimate case of the left devouring itself, although the tweets are orders of magnitude worse than anything Gunn said).

    Gunn does, IMO, have a tendency to fly close to the sun... incredibly outspoken generally, in the sort of ranty, hysterical style prevalent amongst a lot of US liberals these days (and I say that as a devout lefty). Maybe for Disney this was an outrage - manipulated as it was by bad faith actors like Cernovich - of convenience for someone who certainly doesn’t keep quiet and get on with the job (the Disney ideal, I reckon). Still, baffling that they didn’t fully vet Gunn if this was going to be an issue - Tromeo and Juliet and Super boast no shortage of bad taste humour, so can’t say those tweets - dumb as they are - are particularly surprising given the writer behind them.

    Will be interesting to see if any of the Marvel stars take his side in this. Certainly the firing seems like the kind of thing someone like Chris Evans would have very strong feelings about.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,206 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    Makes you wonder why they feel the need to use Twitter personal accounts, minefield.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,772 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    ...yes? I, for one, have plenty more popcorn to eat. More stupid drama, please. To me, conservatives trying to defend Roseanne is just as funny as liberals trying to defend Gunn.


    There's a huge difference though Frankie.

    Roseanne targeted a real person. Gunn is simply talking shit. Stupid, unfunny shit. But, it's still just shit.

    In saying that, when will these morons learn to stay off of twitter?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    The media getting their hands on stuff and keeping it under wraps until it suits is not exclusive to the internet generation. When Paul McCartney and Heather Mills split up her previous erotica work mysteriously surfaced in the tabloids. It's scummy practice by scummy individuals but that is the world we inhabit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Bad-taste humour from a decade ago, and I'd say there's only one or two which are at truly offensive levels.

    While the majority of it is just plain juvenile, really the whole affair is just a pathetic witch-hunt. Bravo, social media warriors.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 28,974 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Dave Bautista speaking out against the decision. Could see a scenario where Gunn is reinstated if the cast are vocal enough. Interesting to see where they all fall on this one.

    https://twitter.com/davebautista/status/1020502763430559744?s=21

    And while I never thought I’d have much cause to link to him, Ben Shapiro himself also suggesting the tweets didn’t justify a firing (with a hint of ‘this is the game everyone’s playing now’): https://www.dailywire.com/news/33371/should-james-gunn-have-lost-his-job-disney-ben-shapiro


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Gunn has issued a grovelling apology, has much to learn, lollypops and rainbows, etc, so i guess there isn't going to be a lawsuit. I assume he got a big severance package and won't have any trouble signing onto a big blockbuster at another studio once he can show he's completed his penance. It seems he had already talked about his edgelord behaviour on social media in interviews a couple of years ago and said he had grown since then, which should make it easier to come back.

    I don't think he'll get his Guardians gig back - not least because its possible Marvel/Disney wanted rid of him anyway and because they risk the wrath of the same people showering sympathy on him now that could turn on a dime if they think he's being let off the hook before spending some time in the wilderness.

    Cernovich meanwhile told the Daily Beast this is just the beginning and he is planning an "open investigation into all of Hollywood".


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,203 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Honestly I'd never heard of Mike Cernovich until this blew up, and reading a little sounds like an alt-Right shock merchant; if some of the (images of deleted) tweets are to believed, he has said as inappropriate, sh*tty things himself. Lots of mentions of rape and suchlike, and very much the wannabe alpha-male schtick, ugly women should know their place, etc. The difference I see being, Gunn made some godawful attempts at humour, Cernovich seems to reach for some 'telling it like it is' excuse for being a bit of a d*ck.

    2018 Social Media: a garbage fire of discourse. The day Twitter goes out of business I will dance in the streets - truly. It's a total, utter pox on humanity.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 28,974 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Cernovich is a repugnant little man, without morals and known for conspiracy theories such as Pizzagate. A shameless hypocrite (and he doesn’t care) who was not one bit offended by the jokes, and used them solely as an excuse to try and take down an ideological opponent. I mean regardless of where one stands politically (and there’s similar cases on the other side), Cernovich is a horrid example of how toxic and warped the discourse has become.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,317 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Hope he is hired on to work on the DC movies. He would be perfect for the next Deadpool movie but as it's Marvel/Disney and I believe they are in the process of buying Fox so that's out. He should have deleted those tweets long ago.
    It's just a shame it wasn't Rian Johnson :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,944 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Dave Bautista speaking out against the decision. Could see a scenario where Gunn is reinstated if the cast are vocal enough. Interesting to see where they all fall on this one.

    https://twitter.com/davebautista/status/1020502763430559744?s=21

    And while I never thought I’d have much cause to link to him, Ben Shapiro himself also suggesting the tweets didn’t justify a firing (with a hint of ‘this is the game everyone’s playing now’): https://www.dailywire.com/news/33371/should-james-gunn-have-lost-his-job-disney-ben-shapiro


    Ben has flaws, spends to much time trying to get a reaction and has said some dumb stuff (understatement) in the past, but at least he is consistent with his views when it comes to stuff on both sides.

    Cernovich is not a free speech warrior like he claims, he is a grifter of the worst kind. If he was on the left he would be screaming "white privilege" at anyone who disagreed with him. He's a right wing social media warrior tbh.

    However Gunn really should know better than to have this stuff out there, he knows this is how social media operates and he has so much to lose over this.


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