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So who's going to see the Pope?

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  • #1142
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    ELM327 wrote: »
    http://www.irishsalem.com/individuals/accusers/colm-o-gorman/abusecasesettled-10apr03.php


    Guilt admitted
    300k settlement


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Fortune


    Either 29 rape victims were lying, or one low life who committed suicide to prevent justice for his victims was not.

    As far as I know the priest wasn't tried in a court of law. That's how our legal system works, in case you didn't know. Otherwise we get mob justice


  • #1143
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Berserker wrote: »
    ....I'm not amazed by the numbers. A huge majority of the population here still identify as RC. They are going to take this opportunity, a once in a lifetime opportunity, to see the leader of their church. .... it does provide the RCC and it's supporters with a really nice piece of ammo when people question the position of the RCC in Irish society.

    ... it will be the second time for many....if we assume the crowd will mainly be older

    ...It's just interesting how many will turn up for this mass .... I think it will not have a positive influence on the church hierarchy. They will take the wrong message from it.

    Boards is not very representative of Irish society in general, on most subjects. Because the moderate middle is not welcome on any subject.

    Take this thread any reasoned discussion is drowned out by nonsense. Considering its after hours that's saying something.


  • #1144
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    That doesn't mean anything. People settle cases all the time.

    O Gorman was not the sole case. The Diocese of Ferns received complaints about abuse against Fortune as early as 1976. Numerous allegations were made. The Diocese did nothing. So cut this **** that he made them up. This is a bit like claiming Savile didn't did, there's plenty of evidence regardless. You're highlighting the fact that the church prevented it from being investigated. That's a cover up.


  • #1145
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    batgoat wrote: »
    O Gorman was not the sole case. The Diocese of Ferns received complaints about abuse against Fortune as early as 1976. Numerous allegations were made. The Diocese did nothing. So cut this **** that he made them up. This is a bit like claiming Savile didn't did, there's plenty of evidence regardless.

    what you are advocating is mob justice. The core principal of our legal system is that a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. He was not proven guilty in a court of law.


  • #1146
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Berserker wrote: »
    And why do they settle cases?

    Insurance settle because it's cheaper in the short term. That it encourages rampant fraudulent claims in the long run seems to only be saying on them now.


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  • #1147
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    wonski wrote: »
    He didn't die, took his own life to escape consequences.

    That's the way I see it.

    If a terrorist kills himself before the trial does it mean he was innocent?

    Yes, in the eyes of the law he is innocent. I'm afraid you and EL whatever his name is don't understand how the law works


  • #1148
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    beauf wrote: »
    ... it will be the second time for many....if we assume the crowd will mainly be older

    ...It's just interesting how many will turn up for this mass .... I think it will not have a positive influence on the church hierarchy. They will take the wrong message from it.

    Boards is not very representative of Irish society in general, on most subjects. Because the moderate middle is not welcome on any subject.

    Take this thread any reasoned discussion is drowned out by nonsense. Considering its after hours that's saying something.

    Have to agree with you. The thread here is very extreme. I posted on it a while back and left, as it's hard to find middle ground on it. Came back to query the traffic restrictions, for real life reasons and the protest caught my eye. Not going to post anything more about it.
    beauf wrote: »
    Insurance settle because it's cheaper in the short term.

    Yep, was hoping that the other poster would respond. They settle because it's the cheapest option in the long run.


  • #1149
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Have to agree with you. The thread here is very extreme. I posted on it a while back and left, as it's hard to find middle ground on it. Came back to query the traffic restrictions, for real life reasons and the protest caught my eye. Not going to post anything more about it.

    There is no doubt that a few hysterical posters' are turning people off this thread.


  • #1150
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    what you are advocating is mob justice. The core principal of our legal system is that a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. He was not proven guilty in a court of law.


    ..there's a time and a place for such a argument and this isn't it...


  • #1151
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    That doesn't prove anything. As far as I know, the priest who was accused never stood for trial

    So? The one who raped me never stood trial either. It doesn't change what he did to at least 4 children. Or are we liars now?


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  • #1152
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    what you are advocating is mob justice. The core principal of our legal system is that a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. He was not proven guilty in a court of law.

    No, I'm referring to the fact that the church covered up large scale abuse across the country and made it impossible for it ever to be investigated. Do you think Jimmy Savile was an abuser? Cause the reality is, many victims never see justice for their abuse. Implying that O Gorman is lying is absolutely disgraceful. Perhaps show more concern for organised cover ups on global scale that are a matter of fact.


  • #1153
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    So? The one who raped me never stood trial either. It doesn't change what he did to at least 4 children. Or are we liars now?

    Did I say that?


  • #1154
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Berserker wrote: »
    ...Came back to query the traffic restrictions, for real life reasons and ...

    .. Same here. It's derailed as usual by utter drivel..

    Can I block after hours from my boards profile so it never appeared even in recent threads. It's a waste of space...


  • #1155
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    batgoat wrote: »
    No, I'm referring to the fact that the church covered up large scale abuse across the country and made it impossible for it ever to be investigated. Do you think Jimmy Savile was an abuser? Cause the reality is, many victims never see justice for their abuse. Implying that O Gorman is lying is absolutely disgraceful. Perhaps show more concern for organised cover ups on global scale that are a matter of fact.

    Why are you making up things that I haven't said? Do you think someone should always be believed when they make a complaint of sexual abuse? If you do, what's the point in having a trial?


  • #1156
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Why are you making up things that I haven't said? Do you think someone should always be believed when they make a complaint of sexual abuse? If you do, what's the point in having a trial?

    30 similar reports that goes back decades? Can you explain why the Diocese never had it investigated? That's the reason why mm abusers got away with it. Do you think Jimmy Savile was an abuser? You claimed O Gorman as an attention seeker and are now implying he was never abused. You're less concerned with justice than smearing a man who has advocated for abuse victims for decades. That's classy


  • #1157
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Yes, in the eyes of the law he is innocent. I'm afraid you and EL whatever his name is don't understand how the law works

    I afraid you don't know how my brain works.

    If 29 allegations of sexual abuse against a priest are made, reported and ignored or covered up for years, then the accused takes his own life, followed by apology from the church and settlement to the victim, then I believe it happened.

    If a terrorist kills 20 people before killing himself, then I can safely say he was guilty, even if wasn't tried in court.

    I don't need to study law to have my opinion of the case. And there is only one outcome.

    There are cases in courts settled for convenience, eg in employment tribunal, but this trend has changed recently.

    The case of the priest is not one of those settled for convenience and to save money long term.

    It was clear what it was. And it is a common issue not just in Ireland, but in all countries where the church has a power and tendency to sweep these issues under their carpet.


  • #1158
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Why is the catholic church child abuse denier, DickSwiveller, allowed to continue to post ffs. Is this thread being moderated at all.


  • #1159
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,159 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Why is the catholic church child abuse denier, DickSwiveller, allowed to continue to post ffs. Is this thread being moderated at all.
    Yes it's disgusting.
    I've reported his posts but I don't see anything being done about it.
    I don't know where he's returning from (I'm guessing a ban).. but to quote a politician from the 70's, as far as I'm concerned he can blow out, or blow up!


  • #1160
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Why is the catholic church child abuse denier, DickSwiveller, allowed to continue to post ffs. Is this thread being moderated at all.

    Calm down. I asked a simple question. How do people know he was abused? I haven't got an answer yet. Just a lot of word salad. The fact is you can not try a dead person so I don't know if he was abused. That doesn't mean I'm calling him a liar.


  • #1161
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    beauf wrote: »
    .. Same here. It's derailed as usual by utter drivel..

    Can I block after hours from my boards profile so it never appeared even in recent threads. It's a waste of space...

    Delete it from the followed threads and forget about it. Reading it would melt your head alright.


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  • #1162
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Berserker wrote: »
    I'd think twice about that. You are going to be in the minority, a huge minority. Have you ever been in a minority at an event and subject to the wrath of the majority? The most dedicated members of the RCC are going to be in Dublin on that day. Big man talk on an internet forum is one thing, having to stand up and do it in the real world is another.

    Is that a threat against a peaceful event being held by the survivors of child abuse?

    That is surely a new low for you. And if it isn't a new low for you then I shudder to think what is that low.


  • #1163
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes it's disgusting.
    I've reported his posts but I don't see anything being done about it.
    I don't know where he's returning from (I'm guessing a ban).. but to quote a politician from the 70's, as far as I'm concerned he can blow out, or blow up!

    I've reported your sectarian posts too but nothing so far. Strange all right.


  • #1164
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    Don't worry I'll leave now. You can go back to your echo chamber.


  • #1165
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,159 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    I've reported your sectarian posts too but nothing so far. Strange all right.
    Thought you were leaving


  • #1166
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Calm down. I asked a simple question. How do people know he was abused? I haven't got an answer yet. Just a lot of word salad. The fact is you can not try a dead person so I don't know if he was abused. That doesn't mean I'm calling him a liar.

    Using your logic Hitler is also innocent of anything that occurred during WW2.

    "Sure he never stood trial so that makes him innocent"

    Jesus wept.


  • #1167
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Don't worry I'll leave now. You can go back to your echo chamber.

    You've basically denied the existence of large scale abuse that occurred in this country. There is no question that it occurred. It's delusion to say otherwise.


  • #1168
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Why is the catholic church child abuse denier, DickSwiveller, allowed to continue to post ffs. Is this thread being moderated at all.

    In fairness he has a right to post and discuss just like everyone else.

    He is just looking at it from different perspective. Not a perspective I like to read, but it isn't your or my job to shut people down just because we don't like what they say.

    Not even moderators task I think.

    That would be unfair.


  • #1169
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,159 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Using your logic Hitler is also innocent of anything that occurred during WW2.

    "Sure he never stood trial so that makes him innocent"

    Jesus wept.
    Yeah that's the kind of mentality we're dealing with here tbh.
    Probably a man child who doesn't understand the meaning of life outside his mom's basement.


  • #1170
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    batgoat wrote: »
    You've basically denied the existence of large scale abuse that occurred in this country. There is no question that it occurred. It's delusion to say otherwise.

    That is a gigantic lie. Care to apologise?


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  • #1171
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,159 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    wonski wrote: »
    In fairness he has a right to post and discuss just like everyone else.

    He is just looking at it from different perspective. Not a perspective I like to read, but it isn't your or my job to shut people down just because we don't like what they say.

    Not even moderators task I think.

    That would be unfair.
    He's an abuse denier.
    We don't allow rapists of children any respect or privilege, even amongst prisoners they look down on paedos.


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