Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

Brian? · 03-08-2018 04:46PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Once reality bites and people see the virtue-signalling nonsense for what it is, the decline of Blindboy and his ilk will be extremely quick.

Honest question, can you explain what you mean by virtue signalling? And why do you see it as a bad thing?

Is it the opposite of a dog whistle, or the same thing?

weldoninhio · 03-08-2018 04:52PM

Brian? wrote: »

Honest question, can you explain what you mean by virtue signalling? And why do you see it as a bad thing?

Is it the opposite of a dog whistle, or the same thing?

Saying the things that people want to hear. There’s a small but very vocal and currently influential group of people who can’t see that the emperor has no clothes on. They want/need to be part of the group and feel validated by faux-intellects like Blindboy and Russell Brand.

They peddle this myth of how the world should be and if this changed, or that changed, how the world would be a better place.

Simplistic bull**** notions for hugely complex social, economic and worldwide issues.

Dannyriver · 03-08-2018 04:56PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Saying the things that people want to hear. There’s a small but very vocal and currently influential group of people who can’t see that the emperor has no clothes on. They want/need to be part of the group and feel validated by faux-intellects like Blindboy and Russell Brand.

They peddle this myth of how the world should be and if this changed, or that changed, how the world would be a better place.

Simplistic bull**** notions for hugely complex social, economic and worldwide issues.

That sounds like Trump's political campaign right there.

DavidLyons_ · 03-08-2018 04:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Once reality bites and people see the virtue-signalling nonsense for what it is, the decline of Blindboy and his ilk will be extremely quick.

The d1ckhead will make out he was only codding on and subverting from within when all the right on, politically righteous scutter gets too tiresome for the sane amongst us to bear any longer.

Whatever will keep the tills ringing.

Train wreck of a thread. The posts in defence of the spoofer get longer and more inane and irrational as it goes along.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 03-08-2018 05:17PM

Brian? wrote: »

Honest question, can you explain what you mean by virtue signalling? And why do you see it as a bad thing?

Is it the opposite of a dog whistle, or the same thing?

Truly good people don't seek validation for their kind deeds.

Although the online 'virtue signallers' which we're referring to here tend to be all talk and no action.

The_Kew_Tour · 03-08-2018 05:34PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Once reality bites and people see the virtue-signalling nonsense for what it is, the decline of Blindboy and his ilk will be extremely quick.

I'm not so sure.

We have a bit of a culture here for liking people who stand out even if they look ridiculous.

Dustin in Eurovision
The Healy Rae's in Kerry. Plenty of more but that's a start.

Ireland seems to have a 'sure he great craic' types no matter what they come out with.

I reckon he still have decent following in 20 years even if many will see through it

NIMAN · 03-08-2018 05:36PM

If he took the bag off his head, people would stop listening to him.

Brian? · 03-08-2018 05:41PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Saying the things that people want to hear. There’s a small but very vocal and currently influential group of people who can’t see that the emperor has no clothes on. They want/need to be part of the group and feel validated by faux-intellects like Blindboy and Russell Brand.

They peddle this myth of how the world should be and if this changed, or that changed, how the world would be a better place.

Simplistic bull**** notions for hugely complex social, economic and worldwide issues.

"Saying the things people want to hear" - that's populism.

You're describing groups of people. I want to actually know what "virtue signalling" means. I've seen it used in many contexts, most commonly used by posters as a lazy way to dismiss people they don't agree with.

In order to debate whether someone is virtue signalling, I'd like a real definition of the term. Otherwise I'll file it under nonsense terms, like snowflake, libtard, loony left etc., i.e. terms that don't really mean anything.

Sal Butamol · 03-08-2018 05:43PM

20 years from now...basically Ritchie Kavanagh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgDpJcqCWIs

Brian? · 03-08-2018 05:43PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Truly good people don't seek validation for their kind deeds.

Although the online 'virtue signallers' which we're referring to here tend to be all talk and no action.

Sorry, but I'm not getting it. What are you defining as virtue signalling? Someone who talks about doing good but takes no action? Is that a close approximation?

Sal Butamol · 03-08-2018 05:51PM

Brian? wrote: »

Sorry, but I'm not getting it. What are you defining as virtue signalling? Someone who talks about doing good but takes no action? Is that a close approximation?

Someone that kicks up a stink about some bull**** or other, feigning outrage about some trivial or frankly totally irrelevant non-issue, capitalising on whatever the latest trend is, all in the name of illustrating their own moral superiority to the rest of us. Mostly done to advance their own career and line their own pockets, with their concern frequently being disingenuous and hypocritical.

See: Blindboy, Una Mullally, Louise O'Neill etc etc

Favourite buzzwords: Toxic Masculinity, "Problematic", The Patriarchy, The Gender Wage Gap, Gender Neutral Toilets, Manspreading, Mansplaining

How to spot one: Purple Hair, Oversized glasses, Permanent sour-puss, bag on head etc etc

Most usual diagnosis: Feminism, Trump Derangement Syndrome, Lefty.

Brian? · 03-08-2018 05:58PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Someone that kicks up a stink about some bull**** or other, feigning outrage about some trivial or frankly totally irrelevant non-issue, capitalising on whatever the latest trend is, all in the name of illustrating their own moral superiority to the rest of us. Mostly done to advance their own career and line their own pockets, with their concern frequently being disingenuous and hypocritical.

See: Blindboy, Una Mullally, Louise O'Neill etc etc

Favourite buzzwords: Toxic Masculinity, "Problematic", The Patriarchy, The Gender Wage Gap, Gender Neutral Toilets, Manspreading, Mansplaining

How to spot one: Purple Hair, Oversized glasses, Permanent sour-puss, bag on head etc etc

Most usual diagnosis: Feminism, Trump Derangement Syndrome, Lefty.

So rather than debating what these people say, you simply shout "virtue signalling" to completely devalue everything they say. Makes life easy for you I suppose.

I'll be honest Sal, I think you're spending far too much time reading American nonsense that leans alt right. I have encountered many people you'd consider to be virtue signalling, none have had purple hair.

jacksie66 · 03-08-2018 06:01PM

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Brian? · 03-08-2018 06:23PM

jacksie66 wrote: »

Just like the left calls everyone Nazi or fascist or racist when they don't want people questioning their beliefs..

Actually we don't. Some people on the left do that. Some people on the right do the other. Let's all try to avoid lazy generalisations lest we become hypocrites.

weldoninhio · 03-08-2018 06:27PM

Brian? wrote: »

"Saying the things people want to hear" - that's populism.

You're describing groups of people. I want to actually know what "virtue signalling" means. I've seen it used in many contexts, most commonly used by posters as a lazy way to dismiss people they don't agree with.

In order to debate whether someone is virtue signalling, I'd like a real definition of the term. Otherwise I'll file it under nonsense terms, like snowflake, libtard, loony left etc., i.e. terms that don't really mean anything.

Virtue signalling is literally signalling how virtuous you are. It’s fairly self explanatory.

Dannyriver · 03-08-2018 06:34PM

Brian? wrote: »

Actually we don't. Some people on the left do that. Some people on the right do the other. Let's all try to avoid lazy generalisations lest we become hypocrites.

Wasting your time Bro...There s friend of mine who idolised Bruce Springsteen Pink Floyd [specifically Roger waters] and rage against The machine growing up, hung on every word of every album, wore a dark side of the Moon T shirt for years. Doesn't rate any anymore, when I asked him why he said he wasn't 'woke' to the bull**** at the time and now sees them as just ''virtue signalers' and spokespersons for the lunatic left. Last seen looking for Ted Nugent and Kid rock CD s on ebay

Brian? · 03-08-2018 06:35PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Virtue signalling is literally signalling how virtuous you are. It’s fairly self explanatory.

I would have thought it was fairly self explanatory, yet numerous posters have explained it with anti left rants rather than a simple explanation. Which is why I was confused at the meaning.

Why does signalling how virtuous you are invalidate everything you say? Why can't someone be correct and virtue signal at the same time? Why is it used to completely dismiss certain people's opinions without actually engaging in any meaningful debate on said opinion?

It's a phrase that seems to be without meaning through overuse. A lazy generalistion that stifles debate. As someone pointed out, it's as bad as idiots calling slightly conservative people Nazis, racists, homophobes etc. . Wouldn't debate be better without it? It's basically an ad hominem argument, a complete cop out.

Brian? · 03-08-2018 06:37PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

Wasting your time Bro...There s friend of mine who idolised Bruce Springsteen Pink Floyd [specifically Roger waters] and rage against The machine growing up, hung on every word of every album, wore a dark side of the Moon T shirt for years. Doesn't rate any anymore, when I asked him why he said he wasn't 'woke' to the bull**** at the time and now sees them as just ''virtue signalers' and spokespersons for the lunatic left. Last seen looking for Ted Nugent and Kid rock CD s on ebay

Wasting my time? Not at all, I am wasting my employers time

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Your mate has fallen foul of the bamboozlement fog. It happens.

DickSwiveller Returns · 03-08-2018 06:41PM

Brian? wrote: »

I would have thought it was fairly self explanatory, yet numerous posters have explained it with anti left rants rather than a simple explanation. Which is why I was confused at the meaning.

Why does signalling how virtuous you are invalidate everything you say? Why can't someone be correct and virtue signal at the same time? Why is it used to completely dismiss certain people's opinions without actually engaging in any meaningful debate on said opinion?

It's a phrase that seems to be without meaning through overuse. A lazy generalistion that stifles debate. As someone pointed out, it's as bad as idiots calling slightly conservative people Nazis, racists, homophobes etc. . Wouldn't debate be better without it? It's basically an ad hominem argument, a complete cop out.

Didn't you accuse someone of being alt right just a few posts ago?

TheShow · 03-08-2018 06:43PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I see the Louise O'Neill thread has slipped off the front page.

#metoo

The Moldy Gowl · 03-08-2018 06:44PM

Virtue signalling is such an awful word.

It's a word for gowls

Dannyriver · 03-08-2018 06:45PM

Brian? wrote: »

Wasting my time? Not at all, I am wasting my employers time .

Your mate has fallen foul of the bamboozlement fog. It happens.

He s a good guy and Im still good friends and see him out from time to time but I ve learned to keep politics out of it because he gets very serious and emotional on those subjects.

Ush1 · 03-08-2018 06:49PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

He s a good guy and Im still good friends and see him out from time to time but I ve learned to keep politics out of it because he gets very serious and emotional on those subjects.

Same as most students I spose. Marxism is a serious business to these bais.

Daemona2018 · 03-08-2018 06:49PM

Sky King wrote: »

People do know this is a character right? And not an actual person?

Does it strike anyone else as strange that a made-up persona with a fake voice, parody accent and a fking plastic bag on his head is treated like a normal, regular person in debates and current affairs TV shows? And given the same credibility and respect as an actual real person?

Imagine Fr. Dougal Mcguire, Dustin the Turkey and Fortycoats appearing our incisive current affairs shows discussing mental health with Alan Partridge adjudicating.

Or discussing the 8th amendment and feminism with Mrs Brown, The Bottler and Podge and Rodge? It would be treated like a joke (obviously), but when the prank phone call making, glue-huffing, spastic hawk-toting Blindboy talks serious we all suddenly have to sit up take it seriously.

If I was asked to debate on the same show as a parody character I'd be more than a little pissed off.

By all means share your story on mental health or offer an opinion on our education system. But for fk sake would you give us and the other people on the show the respect of doing it yourself, in a real voice? Without a fking bag on your head?

Alternatively if you prefer holding on to the bag, you could try going back to... you know... being funny. And less preachy.

Yeah I have to Laugh at how benign they are at helping mental health issues, like yeah they point out that we're not doing anything about it but they're too caught up in pushing left political agenda to have the objectivity to offer any advice, solution or minimal effort to actually help anyone!

Sal Butamol · 03-08-2018 06:54PM

Brian? wrote: »

So rather than debating what these people say, you simply shout "virtue signalling" to completely devalue everything they say. Makes life easy for you I suppose.

I'll be honest Sal, I think you're spending far too much time reading American nonsense that leans alt right. I have encountered many people you'd consider to be virtue signalling, none have had purple hair.

If you want to speak of American nonsense you can start with Blindboy recommending feminism to depressed young men

Ipso · 03-08-2018 07:02PM

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Virtue signalling is such an awful word.

It's a word for gowls

Pandering is probably better.
When someone says something derogatory, could that be seen as lack of virtue signaling?

Brian? · 03-08-2018 07:08PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Didn't you accuse someone of being alt right just a few posts ago?

Did I? And if I did, is that an insult now?

Brian? · 03-08-2018 07:10PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

If you want to speak of American nonsense you can start with Blindboy recommending feminism to depressed young men

How is that a response to my post?

optogirl · 03-08-2018 07:26PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

If you want to speak of American nonsense you can start with Blindboy recommending feminism to depressed young men

wow this is getting tedious. He really pis*ed you off with that one didn't he.

hetuzozaho · 03-08-2018 08:05PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Once reality bites and people see the virtue-signalling nonsense for what it is, the decline of Blindboy and his ilk will be extremely quick.

What virtue signalling is in the successful book?

Is there a chance that virtue signalling isn't the thing he is producing that is being successful.

Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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