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AI Senior Hurling- Liam McCarthy Cup 2018

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  • #3002
    FrKurtFahrt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭FrKurtFahrt


    threeball wrote: »
    So you can tell the exact trajectory of a 75mm object moving over 100km an hour down to a few cms without fail can you.

    No, not unfailingly. However, I still believe that any umpire should be in a position where he can watch the flight of that object when hit hit from a predetermined place, a free. It's done in every other pitch in the country (except Semple).


  • #3003
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    FrKurtFahrt wrote: »
    marco_polo wrote: »
    In general or just when you don't like the result?

    I see. you think I made the comment out of some bitterness? Wrong. It was a genuine opinion.

    While I agree in general alot of umpires have poor positioning at times I think it is better to get the right decision, and it all 4 cases today they looked impossibly tight calls so the umpires were right to refer. If a few of them were well inside by foot or two inside I think the point might have more weight.

    Anyway everyone better pray that Hawkeye doesn't get called into action as much in Thurles or we'll all be there till midnight.


  • #3004
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,103 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    marco_polo wrote: »
    FrKurtFahrt wrote: »
    marco_polo wrote: »
    In general or just when you don't like the result?

    I see. you think I made the comment out of some bitterness? Wrong. It was a genuine opinion.

    While I agree in general alot of umpires have poor positioning at times I think it is better to get the right decision, and it all 4 cases today they looked impossibly tight calls so the umpires were right to refer. If a few of them were well inside by foot or two inside I think the point might have more weight.

    Anyway everyone better pray that Hawkeye doesn't get called into action as much in Thurles or we'll all be there till midnight.
    Apparently they're not meant to add hawkeye into their injury time.


  • #3005
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    marco_polo wrote: »
    FrKurtFahrt wrote: »
    marco_polo wrote: »
    In general or just when you don't like the result?

    I see. you think I made the comment out of some bitterness? Wrong. It was a genuine opinion.

    While I agree in general alot of umpires have poor positioning at times I think it is better to get the right decision, and it all 4 cases today they looked impossibly tight calls so the umpires were right to refer. If a few of them were well inside by foot or two inside I think the point might have more weight.

    Anyway everyone better pray that Hawkeye doesn't get called into action as much in Thurles or we'll all be there till midnight.
    Apparently they're not meant to add hawkeye into their injury time.

    Interesting I didn't know that,seems ludicrous as it can take close to a minute in Thurles


  • #3006
    caddy16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭caddy16


    C__MC wrote: »
    Galway were on the attack at the end of added time in second half. He blew it. Double standards

    Dry your eyes


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  • #3007
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    FrKurtFahrt wrote: »
    What I want is for an umpire to make a simple decision on a shot that's been hit from distance! Did I not make that clear?

    So you want the umpire to make a decision? No concern whether he's right or wrong, just make a decision?

    And those particular referrals today were anything but simple. When the ball is higher than the post and happens to travel very, very close to the post, or where the post would be if it was high enough, it's very difficult to judge. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY HAWKEYE WAS BROUGHT IN !!! To make sure there is no error.

    Why anybody could have a problem with the right decision being made is beyond me.


  • #3008
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    RhubarbCrumble wrote: »
    Christ, that was tense! Galway neighbour on one side and Clare neighbour on the other. I was leaning towards Galway because I don't like the Clare neighbour!
    We're all in Limerick. Pretty sure Cork will kick our arse tomorrow.

    Cork struggled with a 14man Limerick team in the Munster championship.
    Have some faith. Cork are rubbish at the back.


  • #3009
    Speakerboxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx


    Rodin wrote: »
    Cork struggled with a 14man Limerick team in the Munster championship.
    Have some faith. Cork are rubbish at the back.

    They are not that bad at all. We will see if Cork are as rubbish as you are saying with today's game. I do expect Cork to turn up. I think Limerick are a good team but I think Cork will win by a tight margin. toss of a coin.


  • #3010
    letsseehere14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭letsseehere14


    Umpires did the exact right thing today. Sun in their eyes, rain and a wind they went to Hawkeye when necessary and when we all saw the margins of each decision I think it's fair to say the right call was made.
    Each decision was so close they were exactly right to go to Hawkeye.
    It was a great game. I hope tomorrow comes close to matching it.
    Well done Clare. They proved may of us wrong myself included. Next match will depend on Galway injuries and their ability to bounce back and avoid the massive wide count. Galway still favourites but a much narrower margin next week with the bookies


  • #3011
    terryrogers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭terryrogers


    Donnielighto wrote: »
    Hate refereeing in the gaa, different reasons though. Though the ref today was awful. He gave Clare the break at 1-6 with their second point and the next two were a bit off, one should have gone to Hawkeye, not 100% on the last. Also clearly playing for a draw at the end. Why bother having extra time if the ref is actively trying for a replay. It just brings down the integrity of the competition. That's rife.

    Give the ref a break everyone he contributed to a fantastic game today. Sure, he gave some soft frees today but did so for both sides nobody got preference. Not sure if he was playing for the draw as much as you think, it was tied at 1-29 each when he gave Davy Glennon a free at the end for a clear dive (not the first time Glennon conned a ref btw!).

    It was so hard to get every call right out there today but all in all Owens did well. Thought he played the advantage rule very well, where many other refs butcher this rule. At the end of the day the draw was fair today, and you will always find out who are the better team in the replay.


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  • #3012
    Gentleman Off The Pitch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Gentleman Off The Pitch


    Sickening to see Glennon cheating again


  • #3013
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    FrKurtFahrt wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus! It's a hurling thread, and after a massive game which was brilliant on a few levels. Physicality, fitness, tension, pride and skill. If hurling people want to wallow in the reflected pleasure of a great occasion, why get bitchy about it?? It was a wonderful occasion, and hurling won.

    It was brilliant.
    But it doesn't need to be compared to other games.


  • #3014
    irishfeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Packed train leaving Charleville for Dublin just now, there looks to be a very big crowd from the real capital heading to the big smoke :)


  • #3015
    Hurling Rankings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭Hurling Rankings


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  • #3016
    C__MC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Hurling Rankings wrote: »
    First off, all shots are reviewed by hawkeye unless the absolutely clear cut ones, it’s happened on a few occasions that a shot is taken, it’s a borderline point/wide but say the upmires agree that it’s a point. Game carries on, puck out taken, but the ref gets a word in his ear, signals for Hawkeye, we go through the rigmarole of the graphic/specsavers ad and hey presto; decision reversed, either previous wide or point reversed. It doesn’t happen often, but it does happen. If either of those two points you’re taking issue with were incorrectly awarded the Hawkeye official would have brought it to the referee’s attention.

    And I don’t see how it can be said the referee played for a draw. A minimum (not maximum...) of three minutes additional time was announced, after which Galway won a free, which they took around 45 seconds to take, and after which Hawkeye was called. So there’s no disputing the time that went over the third minute. I heard a lot of Galway fans complaining about that after the game yesterday, (booing at the final whistle), they’re completely in the wrong on that one.

    Referee did fine yesterday. Didn’t get any significant decisions wrong.

    Soft free to draw it in normal time


  • #3017
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    That match yesterday proved that this Galway team are not some super species of physicality that the media keep harping on about.

    Clare gave as good as they got in the physicality stakes!


  • #3018
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    C__MC wrote: »
    Hurling Rankings wrote: »
    First off, all shots are reviewed by hawkeye unless the absolutely clear cut ones, it’s happened on a few occasions that a shot is taken, it’s a borderline point/wide but say the upmires agree that it’s a point. Game carries on, puck out taken, but the ref gets a word in his ear, signals for Hawkeye, we go through the rigmarole of the graphic/specsavers ad and hey presto; decision reversed, either previous wide or point reversed. It doesn’t happen often, but it does happen. If either of those two points you’re taking issue with were incorrectly awarded the Hawkeye official would have brought it to the referee’s attention.

    And I don’t see how it can be said the referee played for a draw. A minimum (not maximum...) of three minutes additional time was announced, after which Galway won a free, which they took around 45 seconds to take, and after which Hawkeye was called. So there’s no disputing the time that went over the third minute. I heard a lot of Galway fans complaining about that after the game yesterday, (booing at the final whistle), they’re completely in the wrong on that one.

    Referee did fine yesterday. Didn’t get any significant decisions wrong.

    Soft free to draw it in normal time

    A free is a free.


  • #3019
    WanderlustIre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭WanderlustIre


    Can anyone tell me what the official attendance was yesterday?


  • #3020
    Joe_ Public
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    Hitchens wrote: »
    That match yesterday proved that this Galway team are not some super species of physicality that the media keep harping on about.

    Clare gave as good as they got in the physicality stakes!

    Shane ODonnell running through Hanbury was a defining moment early I thought. Inspirational score when they badly needed it.

    Physicality is useless without skill and stickwork imo. Galway move the ball beautifully through the lines and with wonderful efficiency. They just seem to play in fits and starts for some reason.


  • #3021
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Hitchens wrote: »
    That match yesterday proved that this Galway team are not some super species of physicality that the media keep harping on about.

    Clare gave as good as they got in the physicality stakes!

    Shane ODonnell running through Hanbury was a defining moment early I thought. Inspirational score when they badly needed it.

    Physicality is useless without skill and stickwork imo. Galway move the ball beautifully through the lines and with wonderful efficiency. They just seem to play in fits and starts for some reason.

    I was extremely impressed with Galways ability to pick out a free man in space yesterday, its something you wouldn't really notice on tv. In contrast aside from the puckouts our distribution wasn't near as good from the back and when it was there were lots of handlin errors as well, but we scrapped well for every ball.

    In general it seemed we had to work alot harder for our scores, really if it wasn't for alot of poor first half sides Galway would be in the final.

    Very proud of the Clare lads yesterday but we have alot to work on for the next day. Galway won't give us as much free possession of from our puckout as yesterday so we will need to be much sharper I think.


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  • #3022
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what the official attendance was yesterday?

    54,191. A good crowd to be fair.e


  • #3023
    caddy16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭caddy16


    C__MC wrote: »
    Soft free to draw it in normal time

    No it wasn't, a clear foul. Glennons dive on the other hand....


  • #3024
    WanderlustIre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭WanderlustIre


    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    54,191. A good crowd to be fair.e

    Yeah I was there just missed the attendance announcement.


  • #3025
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,858 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Johnny Coen fairly bottled it at the end. I'd imagine he'd put it over 9 times out of 10. Amazing what pressure does.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #3026
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,021 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    C__MC wrote: »
    Soft free to draw it in normal time
    Complaining about individual frees is a waste of time. Galway got a few (Canning pulling his marker to the ground in the first half and getting a free for it springs to mind).

    Both teams had more than enough chances to win the game in normal time and extra time, it wasn't the referees fault it was a draw.


  • #3027
    Harryclaim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Harryclaim


    awec wrote: »
    Complaining about individual frees is a waste of time. Galway got a few (Canning pulling his marker to the ground in the first half and getting a free for it springs to mind).

    Both teams had more than enough chances to win the game in normal time and extra time, it wasn't the referees fault it was a draw.

    In fairness galway defenders got away with murder at the back on a number of occasions so they can’t have any arguments about not getting frees


  • #3028
    Harryclaim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Harryclaim


    Imo galway lack the killer instinct and are not clinical enough to win it out again this year , they put up a huge tally of sides yesterday and the first day against Kilkenny not to mention the amount of goal chances they missed in the replay against a rebuilding Kilkenny game and the same again yesterday with the wides and goal chances


  • #3029
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    why didnt the game go a free scoring competition? i thought replays were only for the finals.


  • #3030
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #3031
    deaddonkey15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    C__MC wrote: »
    How did Clare beat tipp?

    Incredibley average despite the media hype
    C__MC wrote: »
    There to small and light
    Brian Gavin gave them that all ireland in 2013
    C__MC wrote: »
    Absolutely joke of a ref
    C__MC wrote: »
    Time was up.
    C__MC wrote: »
    Galway were on the attack at the end of added time in second half. He blew it. Double standards
    C__MC wrote: »
    Soft free to draw it in normal time

    Did a Clare woman leave you for another man? You don't even try and hide your bias.


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