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HappyAsLarE wrote: »

I didn’t say 100 scientists said anything. I asked you, as a betting man/woman, how many would say woman.

If you don’t say “probably 100” you are lying.

If you admit to “probably 100” then you’re next question to answer is - are they all wrong?

This is all just your personal opinion. I’ve no idea what 100 scientists and doctors would say. Neither do you. If you think you do then you’re also “lying”.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

What about when it's actually important to know the sex of a person? Such as for medical treatment. It's well known that say symptoms of a heart attack present differently in males and females, resulting in females often being misdiagnosed. Certain medications might work differently or not work at all. Should a doctor perform prostate checks on a female who identifies as a man so that their identity is validated? Smear tests on a trans woman? Are they transphobic if they refuse?

Humans are animals, it's pretty easy to identify
sex. Biological facts are unchangeable and do matter in many circumstances, no amount of feelings are going to change that.

I’m not even sure what you’re saying here. The question was re vets doing a reach around. I’m pretty sure that’s not how a doctor identifies whether someone is Male or
Female. He could just ask them if they transitioned?

Deleted User wrote:

I'm not getting in your face. I am not asking you to put up with their price fixing either. I just think that if you dislike their methods or price fixing, go somewhere else.

Oh I do. It's kind of bull**** that I have to go through the rigmarole of encountering and interacting with these tossers to find out.

LLMMLL wrote: »

Yet I know scores of butcher women who love to tell stories about being addressed as “sir”.

But you’re right in one sense. It is rare. And I’ve no problem with someone assuming someone is Male or female. I did it myself with the woman at the gym.

But that doesn’t make your assumption correct or part of some criteria. If I assume someone’s a man and they tell me they’re a masculine looking woman (cis woman) then I’m like “ok they’re a woman”. Equally if they tell me they’re a transgender woman I’m like “ok they’re a woman”.

I’m not like “oh well since I can tell correctly in most cases therefore you’re a man no matter what you say”.

No, as the original example we were discussing (which is a little lost in all of the posts) was based on a situation where a trans woman hadn't told anyone they were trans (and still dressed as a male). Therefore I pointed out that they were, to everyone else, still a man.

You refuted that by saying they were 'a woman'.

My question was 'to whom?'.

What we subjectively experience in our minds and identify as and what other people identify us as upon seeing and interacting with us are two different things.

I think some are trying to push an agenda on society and if you speak against it, you're a homophobe, sexist, genderist or whatever term new they come out with. My friends wife is a primary school teacher. She told me that a woman enrolled a 5 and 7 year old children to the school last year. She told the principal that she doesnt want her kids to be referred to as he\she, they should use the pronouns them\they as shes bringing her kids up gender fluid.

Im sorry but thats child abuse in my eyes. Kids have a hard enough time in school without being confused by their weird parents. Let kids be kids, and shove your PC genderist agenda up your arse.

Malayalam wrote: »

That's kind of life, though. Navigating the obstacle course between one tosser after another :pac:

This is the point though - life isn't fair or easy most of the time, and there are a lot of rules/laws or just general practises that everyone runs into that they disagree with or affect them.

For the main though we live in a very relaxed, open and tolerant society and that's definitely a good thing.

But where trivial difficulties arise, you can get outraged and hurt about it, or just get on with it or go elsewhere.

It's simply impossible to try and accommodate every randomer's individual opinion or feeling on an issue, and even less so to legislate for it.

All that happens is that people get fed up and desensitised to the far larger and more damaging issues.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sigh all you like, but regardless of whether someone is born in what they perceive to be the wrong body, no matter of surgery will change the fact that they are biologically a man or a woman.

They’ll lack some of the typical Biological markers associated with women (many cis women do too), and they’ll gain some.

kildare lad wrote: »

Im sorry but thats child abuse in my eyes. Kids have a hard enough time in school without being confused by their weird parents. Let kids be kids, and shove your PC genderist agenda up your arse.

Its fairly normal in Sweden though and doesn't really harm the children or prove anything.

Children that were born as as male almost always gravitate towards traditionally masculine patterns even more-so than other western countries, and likewise with women.

I don't think its harmful, but studies also show that its not really productive either. You're changing language just for the sake of keeping a few outliers happy.

o1s1n wrote: »

No, as the original example we were discussing (which is a little lost in all of the posts) was based on a situation where a trans woman hadn't told anyone they were trans (and still dressed as a male). Therefore I pointed out that they were, to everyone else, still a man.

You refuted that by saying they were 'a woman'.

My question was 'to whom?'.

What we subjectively experience in our minds and identify as and what other people identify us as upon seeing and interacting with us are two different things.

Yes but I would expect someone to know whether they are Male or female themselves. Other people can be mistaken.

Just as some people assume gay people are straight. I’d assume the person themselves know better.

kubjones wrote: »

Its fairly normal in Sweden though and doesn't really harm the children or prove anything.

Children that were born as as male almost always gravitate towards traditionally masculine patterns even more-so than other western countries, and likewise with women.

I don't think its harmful, but studies also show that its not really productive either. You're changing language just for the sake of keeping a few outliers happy.

How much of that is unconscious treatment by the adults around them though?