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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

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    #9812
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,642 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Considering you used the genitive tense, the " ' " in "Dodo's" (sic) is used to refer to possession. Therefore there should be a noun next.

    Oh, your one of those.

    ok then, I will modify my response in future to take account of this new normal.


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    #9813
    Blowfish
    Registered Users Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Successful in terms of Trump's stated aim of bringing back blue collar jobs.
    It won't be, because (as usual) Trump is clueless about what actually has been happening. Manufacturing did not go to China, in fact manufacturing in the US is pretty much the highest it's ever been.

    What actually happened is that the low skill manufacturing jobs were automated out of existence. The rust belt manufacturing jobs are never going to come back, for the simple reason that they no longer exist.


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    #9814
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Allez dodo les gamins.


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    #9815
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I hate to break it to you, especially since given your moniker you should be aware of this already, but it never was a title.


    It's a descriptor that has been used for US presidents (even the bad ones like Carter) for as far as I can remember.


    Point still stands no matter what you call it. Under every president until now the US has been a leader, now it's on it's own.


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    #9816
    irishash
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭irishash


    derb12 wrote: »
    No it’s someone called James Brennan. If John Brennan of the CIA was involved it’d be even bigger news!!

    Ah, thank you - I was wondering for the longest time why would the former director of the CIA need immunity if he was to testify at the trial........also why would he be testifying? The only reason I could come up with is that they were looking at him before Trump involvement re: Ukraine.

    When I saw a name like "J Brennan" my mind went straight away to the CIA.


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    #9817
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,403 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    listermint wrote: »
    Oh, your one of those.

    ok then, I will modify my response in future to take account of this new normal.
    Let me know when that starts please.


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    #9818
    migrant
    Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭migrant


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Let me know when that starts please.

    I love it, thanks.


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    #9819
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Great, do we now bicker over monikers and grammar errors for the next few pages?
    That will get old fast.


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    #9820
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,012 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Cut out the petty crap.

    Taking pot shots over spelling & grammar etc. is not going to fly.

    Back on Topic please.

    Thank you.


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    #9821
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Who are the Dems lining up to challenge him for 2020?

    If they bring anyone in with a flawed character Trump will tear them apart like he did with Hillary

    Will they go for a celebrity candidate too, ala Oprah
    But I dont trust the Dems, they are a bunch of unorganised jokers, at least the Republicans are organised and can get what they want to get done, done


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    #9822
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    kilns wrote: »
    But I dont trust the Dems, they are a bunch of unorganised jokers, at least the Republicans are organised and can get what they want to get done, done

    Like stopping Trump from winning the Primaries?

    Is that the type of getting thing done, done type of stuff you are talking about?


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    #9823
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think the present focus is on the mid terms. Let's not get too far ahead, though this was discussed a day or two ago here, if you care to flick back. Seems plenty of good quality options. If you continually lie, a la Trump, you will always have something to say about your opponent. You always have the old LBJ option to fall back on, lets hear him/her deny it.


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    #9824
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    kilns wrote: »
    But I dont trust the Dems, they are a bunch of unorganised jokers, at least the Republicans are organised and can get what they want to get done, done
    Like stopping Trump from winning the Primaries?Is that the type of getting thing done, done type of stuff you are talking about?
    Do you really trust the Dems to get organised to create a blue wave, I dontThey are leaderless and dont propose a credible alternative all they come out with is he is bad vote for us.  Why dont they produce a manifesto for really making America great again


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    #9825
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    kilns wrote: »
    Do you really trust the Dems to get organised to create a blue wave, I dontThey are leaderless and dont propose a credible alternative all they come out with is he is bad vote for us.  Why dont they produce a manifesto for really making America great again

    Don't know. I do know that HC won the popular vote, and that Trump will have done nothing to gain voters, but plenty to lose them.

    We are constantly told that many people held their noses when voting for Trump as HC was just too bad to vote for. They are now all in play.

    Trump didn't have any policies. He had plenty of soundbites. All the Dems need is a PR person. All parties in the US are leaderless unless they have the POTUS. Trump was not even a GOP member and ended up their leader. They were completely against him throughout and even after the primaries.

    The Dems only need to change small things, important things, but small things. If Trump delivers the coal jobs, manufacturing job, pay rises etc then there is nothing the Dems can do.

    The other issue is that Trump was very successful in arguing about the swamp. Yet next time he will have to answer what he has actually done. Pruitt etc will leave a bad taste in those swing voters.


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    #9826
    irishash
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭irishash


    kilns wrote: »
    Do you really trust the Dems to get organised to create a blue wave, I dontThey are leaderless and dont propose a credible alternative all they come out with is he is bad vote for us.  Why dont they produce a manifesto for really making America great again

    They did - DNC Platform

    Except they dont use a meaningless soundbite such as MAGA. I think they are more concerning with governing based on their principles.


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    #9827
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    kilns wrote: »
    Do you really trust the Dems to get organised to create a blue wave, I dontThey are leaderless and dont propose a credible alternative all they come out with is he is bad vote for us.  Why dont they produce a manifesto for really making America great again

    Don't know. I do know that HC won the popular vote, and that Trump will have done nothing to gain voters, but plenty to lose them.

    We are constantly told that many people held their noses when voting for Trump as HC was just too bad to vote for. They are now all in play.

    Trump didn't have any policies. He had plenty of soundbites. All the Dems need is a PR person. All parties in the US are leaderless unless they have the POTUS. Trump was not even a GOP member and ended up their leader. They were completely against him throughout and even after the primaries.

    The Dems only need to change small things, important things, but small things. If Trump delivers the coal jobs, manufacturing job, pay rises etc then there is nothing the Dems can do.

    The other issue is that Trump was very successful in arguing about the swamp. Yet next time he will have to answer what he has actually done. Pruitt etc will leave a bad taste in those swing voters.
    Why are the coal jobs important? They are only a small part of the economy and ,if they were saved it would be at the expense of jobs in other sectors I would feel.

    Yes the rust belt topped the balance last time but why would the next election play out the same way with the same fault lines?

    On its own merits saving the coal industry (without cleaning it up) is bad for global warming.


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    #9828
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,403 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    amandstu wrote: »
    Why are the coal jobs important? They are only a small part of the economy and ,if they were saved it would be at the expense of jobs in other sectors I would feel.
    Yes the rust belt topped the balance last time but why would the next election play out the same way with the same fault lines?

    On its own merits saving the coal industry (without cleaning it up) is bad for global warming.
    The coal jobs are important as it was part of Trump's campaign ticket.


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    #9829
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,403 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    kilns wrote: »
    Who are the Dems lining up to challenge him for 2020?

    If they bring anyone in with a flawed character Trump will tear them apart like he did with Hillary

    Will they go for a celebrity candidate too, ala Oprah
    But I dont trust the Dems, they are a bunch of unorganised jokers, at least the Republicans are organised and can get what they want to get done, done
    If it's not Sanders, or perhaps Biden (who I don't think has the public personality anyway) then I can't see them winning.
    Trump would destroy michelle obama, oprah, clooney, all the rest of hollywood etc
    It needs (for the democrats) to be a credible safe politician who is the exact antithesis of Trump (socialist, liberal, PC, good history of economics etc) while still retaining some form of populism.


    If it's not sanders, i'd be surprised.
    God knows Hillary can't run again


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    #9830
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    kilns wrote: »
    Why dont they produce a manifesto for really making America great again

    Because it's a meaningless slogan that only appeals to people who prefer their manifestos in meaningless slogan form.


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    #9831
    Sn@kebite
    Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭Sn@kebite


    ELM327 wrote: »
    God knows Hillary can't run again
    I don't see why she can't. If Trump really annoys the public she might have a chance. She's run twice already and the Clinton establishment is not short of money. I hope I never see her in office but she would need to adapt to the climate change.

    I don't fully agree /understand that it needs to be the antithesis of Trump as in PC etc. . One of the reasons why so many people voted for Trump is because of the sidelining of important issues due to PC attitudes. America is not going to go back to the false Obama mindset in another 2 years IMO.


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    #9832
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,403 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Sn@kebite wrote: »
    I don't see why she can't. If Trump really annoys the public she might have a chance. She's run twice already and the Clinton establishment is not short of money. I hope I never see her in office but she would need to adapt to the climate change.

    I don't fully agree /understand that it needs to be the antithesis of Trump as in PC etc. . One of the reasons why so many people voted for Trump is because of the sidelining of important issues due to PC attitudes. America is not going to go back to the false Obama mindset in another 2 years IMO.
    That's the dems best chance of winning IMO, enough people in key swing states getting sick of the non PC non liberal Trump and vote a protest vote for the likes of Sanders.


    Clinton won't win it, and she shouldn't run, she's been defeated at least twice now, is it "third time's the charm"?


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    #9833
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,238 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    No way should Clinton run again. If anyone other than her had run in 2016, Trump likely wouldn't have won. So many people in America simply just hate Hilary, and she comes with far too much baggage. Given how close the vote was in swing states, anyone other than Hilary could have turned the tide completely.

    I'd be hoping Bernie doesn't run either but I can see him trying. A Presidential debate between him and Trump would be disastrous.

    The Dems have so many people with no negative baggage that would have a great shot against Trump. If Bernie & Hilary really want Trump out of office, they should step aside and give their full support to whoever runs.


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    #9834
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,403 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Penn wrote: »
    No way should Clinton run again. If anyone other than her had run in 2016, Trump likely wouldn't have won. So many people in America simply just hate Hilary, and she comes with far too much baggage. Given how close the vote was in swing states, anyone other than Hilary could have turned the tide completely.

    I'd be hoping Bernie doesn't run either but I can see him trying. A Presidential debate between him and Trump would be disastrous.

    The Dems have so many people with no negative baggage that would have a great shot against Trump. If Bernie & Hilary really want Trump out of office, they should step aside and give their full support to whoever runs.


    Bernie with (K)Hillary as VP? :cool:
    Called it right there folks.


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    #9835
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    kilns wrote: »
    Do you really trust the Dems to get organised to create a blue wave, I dontThey are leaderless and dont propose a credible alternative all they come out with is he is bad vote for us.  Why dont they produce a manifesto for really making America great again

    Its not about trusting Dems.

    Its about having common sense to steer away from this disaster of a presidency ... any way possible ...


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    #9836
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Bernie with (K)Hillary as VP? :cool:
    Called it right there folks.

    Hopefully neither. Sanders would be pushing 80 and Clinton is damaged goods.


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    #9837
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The obsession with Hillary is bizarre at this stage: why the presumption she'd even be interested to go back to that well a 3rd time, especially having endured possibly the dirtiest, ugliest US presidential campaign in decades? To jump back into the arena against an opponent you lost to, one as openly pugnacious as Trump. You'd want to be mad. Clinton gave it a go - twice - and already has a decent career behind her anyway. Lord knows who is brave / foolhardy / stubborn enough to actually run, but I'm willing to put money on it not being Clinton.


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    #9838
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,403 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Hopefully neither. Sanders would be pushing 80 and Clinton is damaged goods.
    But... but... all the liberals told me anyone is better than Trump? :P


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    #9839
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Get Anthony Weiner!!!


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    #9840
    Midlife
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    I know there's a separate thread about it but I think the Democrats are strategically keeping quiet.

    if you raise your hand now as a potential candidate, you're in line for serious targeting from the Republican machine and Trump himself.

    You don't need to go after Trump, just let him continue. He'll do all the ground work for you and you've 18 months to figure out how to target the key states.


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    #9841
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Dems need a candidate that would get the whole country behind him, like Obama in his first election

    But politics being politics in the US, favours will be called in and money talks and I would not be surprised if its Hillary again, btw she shouldnt be let near it again, she is the reason Trump is President


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