Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

StringerBell

Captain Obvious wrote: »

He's on quite the tirade today

Distraction tactics. The sad thing is it will work, people never learn.

dr.fuzzenstein

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yes. Trump, the POTUS, is a misogynistic, racist, fraudulent, blackmailed, lying cheat.

Such is the character of the man they elected. Just because people vote for him doesn't stop him being an odious manchild.

I'd say a lot of people voted for him for precisely those reasons.
Unscrupulous, uncaring, unhindered by feelings of guilt, a moral compass or his own party. Simply thick and ignorant.
The idea was that he would simply march in there with his size 13s, sign a lot of decrees and rule by defecating on other people from a great height.
He is the ideal POTUS for the people he promised heaven and earth to.
He is the president of the global "me first!" brigade. People who want a slice of the pie and fcuk everyone else.
A mixture of greed, spite and malice.
If you look at the storm of outrage on the internet about how Europe is a total failure and we've never had it so bad, there's a lot of it about. Spoilt people who are mortally pissed off because they can't afford that latest iPhone AND that 4 week vacation in Australia at the same time. Shure it's all the fault of dem immigants and the're taking my money!
To his fans, winning is not enough. others must fail and be trampled into the dirt.

Europe is by far not excempt from that. There was a Pegida rally in Dresden in June and the ship Mission Lifeline was currently sailing the Mediterranean.
The crowd chanted "let them drown!" over and over again.
There is a lot of human filth and it seems to be multiplying.

Professor Moriarty

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'd say a lot of people voted for him for precisely those reasons.
Unscrupulous, uncaring, unhindered by feelings of guilt, a moral compass or his own party. Simply thick and ignorant.
The idea was that he would simply march in there with his size 13s, sign a lot of decrees and rule by defecating on other people from a great height.
He is the ideal POTUS for the people he promised heaven and earth to.
He is the president of the global "me first!" brigade. People who want a slice of the pie and fcuk everyone else.
A mixture of greed, spite and malice.
If you look at the storm of outrage on the internet about how Europe is a total failure and we've never had it so bad, there's a lot of it about. Spoilt people who are mortally pissed off because they can't afford that latest iPhone AND that 4 week vacation in Australia at the same time. Shure it's all the fault of dem immigants and the're taking my money!
To his fans, winning is not enough. others must fail and be trampled into the dirt.

Europe is by far not excempt from that. There was a Pegida rally in Dresden in June and the ship Mission Lifeline was currently sailing the Mediterranean.
The crowd chanted "let them drown!" over and over again.
There is a lot of human filth and it seems to be multiplying.

I would love to talk to one of those people to try to understand that mindset. Or maybe I wouldn't.

Water John

This is a view of a mainstream GOP activist, John Weaver. Served Bush Snr and McCain.
http://www.thejournal.ie/john-weaver-interview-4135771-Jul2018/

Gives a bit of hope the GOP can be rescued at some point.

everlast75

Water John wrote: »

This is a view of a mainstream GOP activist, John Weaver. Served Bush Snr and McCain.
http://www.thejournal.ie/john-weaver-interview-4135771-Jul2018/

Gives a bit of hope the GOP can be rescued at some point.

There have been a few of these moments, where you think the GOP have reached a turning point. What has happened before is simply lip service. When it comes to actual action, its back to towing the party line

Quin_Dub

Water John wrote: »

This is a view of a mainstream GOP activist, John Weaver. Served Bush Snr and McCain.
http://www.thejournal.ie/john-weaver-interview-4135771-Jul2018/

Gives a bit of hope the GOP can be rescued at some point.

everlast75 wrote: »

There have been a few of these moments, where you think the GOP have reached a turning point. What has happened before is simply lip service. When it comes to actual action, its back to towing the party line

As long as Trumps support remains at the levels it is (80%+ among GOP voters) he is untouchable as far as the GOP are concerned..

They will continue to grumble as a way to hedge their bets if they day comes his support tanks so that they can point to their pronouncements of dissent but otherwise they will do absolutely nothing.

dr.fuzzenstein

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I would love to talk to one of those people to try to understand that mindset. Or maybe I wouldn't.

I don't think they'll be able to articulate more than general grunting noises.

26000 Elephants

ELM327 wrote: »

Is this kindergarten?

Best summary of Trump White House you will get today. Bravo ELM327.

Quin_Dub

Rand Paul to ask Trump to revoke Brennan security clearance

Rand Paul going all in on his support for the Trump/Russia position.

Republican Sen. Rand Paul tweeted Monday that he will ask President Donald Trump to revoke the security clearance of former CIA Director John Brennan, who criticized Trump's performance last week at the Helsinki summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In an unusual move, Paul wrote that he will meet with Trump on Monday to discuss allegations that Brennan is "monetizing his security clearance" and "making millions of dollars divulging secrets to mainstream media." Paul added that he would ask Trump to revoke Brennan's clearance.

No evidence of the "monetisation" provided as of yet... Just tweets from Rand Paul asking if he was..

Midlife

Quin_Dub wrote: »

As long as Trumps support remains at the levels it is (80%+ among GOP voters) he is untouchable as far as the GOP are concerned..

They will continue to grumble as a way to hedge their bets if they day comes his support tanks so that they can point to their pronouncements of dissent but otherwise they will do absolutely nothing.

It's not really that his support is 80% of republicians but that a chunk of that support is support that no other Republician to date can.

For most of that 80%, it simply doesn't matter who was running because they were against HRC, or he was anti-abortion, or pro-Israel or something.

They could put a monkey on a stage with a Republican pin and a significant number of GOP voters would vote for him.

Trump managed to get a bunch more, not many but enough. The far right racists who don't vote, the weirdo conspiracy theorists, the pro-wrestling fans, the tea-party lot. Add that to the dead-cert Republician voters and he got over the line.

The problem is that any Republican candidate who takes him on won't get these so they may give Don a good fight by winning over traditional GOP conservatives, but they won't be winning any elections vrs democrats any time soon as they'll be abandoned by a crucial number of voters.

everlast75

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Rand Paul to ask Trump to revoke Brennan security clearance

Rand Paul going all in on his support for the Trump/Russia position.


No evidence of the "monetisation" provided as of yet... Just tweets from Rand Paul asking if he was..

Nothing about Trump threatening nuclear war (again) via tweet, or concerns about the secret meeting - let's just go after an ex employee


Yeah. I'm beginning to think Paul's neighbour was on to something.

FrostyJack

everlast75 wrote: »

Nothing about Trump threatening nuclear war (again) via tweet, or concerns about the secret meeting - let's just go after an ex employee


Yeah. I'm beginning to think Paul's neighbour was on to something.

So Rand Paul is looking more like he has Russian backing everyday. Something fishy is going on.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/397879-rand-paul-blocks-sanders-russia-resolution-calls-it-crazy-hatred

everlast75

FrostyJack wrote: »

So Rand Paul is looking more like he has Russian backing everyday. Something fishy is going on.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/397879-rand-paul-blocks-sanders-russia-resolution-calls-it-crazy-hatred

There are a few of them acting very shifty. Nunes is another

Pelvis

Does anyone know if Manafort's trial will be televised at all?

brickster69

Can the UK play the trump cards soon ?

rossie1977

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Rand Paul to ask Trump to revoke Brennan security clearance

Rand Paul going all in on his support for the Trump/Russia position.



No evidence of the "monetisation" provided as of yet... Just tweets from Rand Paul asking if he was..

If Hillary was President right now with numerous members of her campaign team under investigation and two dozen Russians indicted I wonder what Mr Pauls stance would be

Franz Von Peppercorn

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

A mixture of greed, spite and malice.
If you look at the storm of outrage on the internet about how Europe is a total failure and we've never had it so bad, there's a lot of it about. Spoilt people who are mortally pissed off because they can't afford that latest iPhone AND that 4 week vacation in Australia at the same time. Shure it's all the fault of dem immigants and the're taking my money!
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Actually what people are caring about in Italy is extremely high unemployment. And the social costs of the refugees from Africa they are on the frontline for.

In the US wages have been declining for almost a decade.

Dismissing this as you do isn’t going to solve the problem.

Hurrache

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

In the US wages have been declining for almost a decade.

Dismissing this as you do isn’t going to solve the problem.

Not helped by the tax cuts claimed to be introduced in order to increase wages.

https://twitter.com/business/status/1021480288369733633?s=19

Midlife

Hurrache wrote: »

Not helped by the tax cuts claimed to be introduced in order to increase wages.

https://twitter.com/business/status/1021480288369733633?s=19

You mean having a total narcissist who can't tell reality from fiction determining fiscal policy isn't going to work?

Itssoeasy

So, Trump wants to revoke the security clearances of former intelligence officials because they have not geneflected to their dear leader. Those officials have actually done the United States some service unlike Jared Kushner who for some baffling reason still has some kind of security clearance even though he has no qualifications to hold any security clearance. His only qualification appears to be that he's the President's son in law which isn't a valid reason IMO.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Hurrache wrote: »

Not helped by the tax cuts claimed to be introduced in order to increase wages.

https://twitter.com/business/status/1021480288369733633?s=19

That graph is fairly dubious (as the writer himself admits) as it would be an annualised drop of 7%.

Reducing corporate taxes isn’t going to increase wages, nor should it reduce them, but it’s the economic nationalism of the tariffs that appeals to low wage workers.

Leroy42

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Hurrache wrote: »

Not helped by the tax cuts claimed to be introduced in order to increase wages.

https://twitter.com/business/status/1021480288369733633?s=19

That graph is fairly dubious (as the writer himself admits) as it would be an annualised drop of 7%.

Reducing corporate taxes isn’t going to increase wages, not should it reduce them, but it’s the economic nationalism of the tariffs that appeals to low wage workers.

I agree on the graph but not the second point.

The whole selling point of the massive CT cut was increased investment, jobs and wages.

No idea on investment, but jobs haven't shot up (continued the previous trend, not a bad thing but hardly worth 15% cut) and wages haven't increased.

Midlife

Leroy42 wrote: »

I agree on the graph but not the second point.

The whole selling point of the massive CT cut was increased investment, jobs and wages.

No idea on investment, but jobs haven't shot up (continued the previous trend, not a bad thing but hardly worth 15% cut) and wages haven't increased.

It's amazing.

The American lower-middle class has basically had 10% of the GNP flitered away from them by the top couple of percent.

So they put the billionaires in government and blame the foreigners.

aloyisious

Sean Spicer is doing an interview with the BBC 2 Newsnight programme tonight starting just now. The Ad for it is his "this is the greatest inauguration attendance crowd ever".

derb12

Pelvis wrote: »

Does anyone know if Manafort's trial will be televised at all?

It’s an open court but no cameras allowed from what I understand so just loads of artists sketches and breathless journos running in and out to report any bombshells.

TheRiverman

Watching Emily Maitlis interviewing Sean Spicer right now.Hope Ryan Tubridy is watching how it should be done.

everlast75

aloyisious wrote: »

Sean Spicer is doing an interview with the BBC 2 Newsnight programme tonight starting just now. The Ad for it is his "this is the greatest inauguration attendance crowd ever".

He shouldn't be on the t.v.

He was happy to pump out propaganda. He can **** off.

Water John

Heard his first line about GOP having a great list of candidates and turned him off.

aloyisious

TheRiverman wrote: »

Watching Emily Maitlis interviewing Sean Spicer right now.Hope Ryan Tubridy is watching how it should be done.

She didn't give him an easy ride, even over the link between NYC and London, which worked perfectly. The annoying thing was the free promo he got for his book, which if it doesn't give the unvarnished truth, wouldn't be my book choice of the year.

dr.fuzzenstein

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That graph is fairly dubious (as the writer himself admits) as it would be an annualised drop of 7%.

Reducing corporate taxes isn’t going to increase wages, nor should it reduce them, but it’s the economic nationalism of the tariffs that appeals to low wage workers.

I wonder how long low wage workers will bask in the warm glow of economic nationalism when every single thing made in China becomes 20% more expensive.
Will they still cheer and clap when The Donald tries to blame that on Mexicans?