Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

ElChe32 · 24-07-2018 12:54PM

Can't trust those Italians, first it's dead birds then they place horses heads in your bed. I saw it in a documentary once. Ship him out now Woody.

jayo26 · 24-07-2018 12:55PM

Lads I hope the zlatan thing wasn't that he would be coming in on loan for the winter!!!!!

Adamocovic · 24-07-2018 12:56PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Lads I hope the zlatan thing wasn't that he would be coming in on loan for the winter!!!!!

Is that such a bad thing? We need cover for the LB position.

Trigger · 24-07-2018 12:58PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Lads I hope the zlatan thing wasn't that he would be coming in on loan for the winter!!!!!

Was thinking that myself especially with Jose supposedly looking for a back up to Lukaku..

He has 12 goals and 2 assists in 15 games in the MLS

brinty · 24-07-2018 01:07PM

astradave wrote: »

Was thinking that myself especially with Jose supposedly looking for a back up to Lukaku..

He has 12 goals and 2 assists in 15 games in the MLS

Dave i'd back you to get those kinds of figures in the MLS mate... on one leg...

bangkok · 24-07-2018 01:12PM

If we are going into new season with ashley young left back we can forget about a title challenge

pjohnson · 24-07-2018 01:20PM

I still dont really get how Young is apparently regarded as the new Djemba-Djemba or something with how he is apparently regarded as the player to blame for any deficencies. I'd much prefer a new RW and Young LB than a new LB and Mata RW.

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2018 01:25PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I still dont really get how Young is apparently regarded as the new Djemba-Djemba or something with how he is apparently regarded as the player to blame for any deficencies. I'd much prefer a new RW and Young LB than a new LB and Mata RW.

Richest club in the world, why not both.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 24-07-2018 01:26PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I still dont really get how Young is apparently regarded as the new Djemba-Djemba or something with how he is apparently regarded as the player to blame for any deficencies. I'd much prefer a new RW and Young LB than a new LB and Mata RW.

Another year of Valencia breaking full backs' ankles with his crosses is a depressing thought. The fella is an honest campaigner but the fact he's had such a long career at United says a lot about the lack of quality at the club, in certain positions, going back a few years.

pjohnson · 24-07-2018 01:27PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Richest club in the world, why not both.

Woodward will be doing well to get 1 signed tbh. Money isn't the problem.

Trigger · 24-07-2018 01:27PM

Sandro 80% to stay with Juve now

https://twitter.com/sport_witness/status/1021724055970476032?s=21

Adamocovic · 24-07-2018 01:27PM

bangkok wrote: »

If we are going into new season with ashley young left back we can forget about a title challenge

I don't think our hopes are pinned down on the performance or quality of one player, or at least shouldn't be, especially the LB.

We've won league titles with the likes of Johnny Evans, Tom Cleverley, John O'Shea, Rafael, Wes Brown and Silvestre to name a few playing regularly. The above are good players, not world class in my eyes but some better than others.

Young I feel falls into the category with a few of them and is better than some. End of the day we have had teams that have been successful while not having brilliant or world-class players in every position, people can say it's different now with Fergie gone but I believe if the team is setup well enough, and performs to the level it's capable Young should not be the deciding factor on whether we are successful or not.

Maybe it's naïve of me to say this.

Cookiemunster · 24-07-2018 01:31PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Another year of Valencia breaking full backs' ankles with his crosses is a depressing thought. The fella is an honest campaigner but the fact he's had such a long career at United says a lot about the lack of quality at the club, in certain positions, going back a few years.

I think his point is that Valencia would be grand at RB if we've signed a proper RW to play in front of him.

pjohnson · 24-07-2018 01:32PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I think his point is that Valencia would be grand at RB if we've signed a proper RW to play in front of him.

Bingo.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 24-07-2018 01:34PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I think his point is that Valencia would be grand at RB if we've signed a proper RW to play in front of him.

Is grand good enough? If United want to get back amongst Europe's elite there need to be changes to back four and the right side of our attack. I'd keep a fit Bailly and we can do better than the remaining defenders we have. That clearly isn't all going to get sorted in this window now.

duffman13 · 24-07-2018 01:41PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I think his point is that Valencia would be grand at RB if we've signed a proper RW to play in front of him.

I'd honestly expect him to be more than grand with a real RW in front of him. He would constantly overlap and has a ridiculous work rate, he's just doesn't have a good enough end product. When he's running that whole right side himself it's really obvious but of you take a bit of pressure from him I can see him looking even better.

Also regarding Young, I dont have a massive issue with him as a LB overall. My main issue is how he narrows the pitch when we go to the left side. We have Martial, Rashford and Sanchez who all cut inside. Having a full back overlap and keep the width gives a defence much more to think about the one of the wingers and Young who are forever wanting to come inside.

It's Shaw or a new LB in my mind, it's so tiring watching play slow down as everyone wants to come inside (including Mata on the left)

Our best teams had full backs willing to get forward and support while also keeping wide, Evra, Neville and even Rafael in the last 15 years have looked great doing those jobs.

Cookiemunster · 24-07-2018 01:43PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Is grand good enough? If United want to get back amongst Europe's elite there need to be changes to back four and the right side of our attack. I'd keep a fit Bailly and we can do better than the remaining defenders we have. That clearly isn't all going to get sorted in this window now.

City won the league by a record margin with Fabian Delph at left back and Otamendi and Stones as their main CBs. We sort out our midfield, which hopefully the signing of Fred will do and get in someone on the RW and I've no issues with our defence.

Lord TSC · 24-07-2018 01:48PM

Lads, muppet mode.

Statement signing RW.

Let's go for Messi :P

Adamcp898 · 24-07-2018 01:50PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Lads, muppet mode.

Statement signing RW.

Let's go for Messi :P

Yeah because he'd really give us width on the right :rolleyes: :pac:

brinty · 24-07-2018 01:50PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Lads, muppet mode.

Statement signing RW.

Let's go for Messi :P

but but but ......

why ...

hes old and fragile and will never do it on a cold tuesday night in stoke....

Just GFY Mr Lord TeSCo...

Cookiemunster · 24-07-2018 01:56PM

brinty wrote: »

but but but ......

why ...

hes old and fragile and will never do it on a cold tuesday night in stoke....

Just GFY Mr Lord TeSCo...

It's alright, we don't have to play Stoke this season!

Lithium93_ · 24-07-2018 02:02PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It's alright, we don't have to play Stoke this season!

Well actually that's where you're wrong.. Sure the 2 League games against them are gone, but the cup competitions remain...

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2018 02:02PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Lads, muppet mode.

Statement signing RW.

Let's go for Messi :P

He plays a false 9 though.

Reality is that Bale is the only statement signing we could realistically make - and I really don't think that is gong to happen. Doesn't look like Madrid are interested in selling him or that he is going to push for a move. After that... I can't think of a player would could realitically expect to sign, that would be a statement, and fit into the side.

If we do get a winger, it will be an underwhelming one. Willian, or Rebic. Meh.

Trigger · 24-07-2018 02:06PM

While we are all hoping for a RW and. CB the media are going ahead and linking us to midfielders

https://twitter.com/alexshawespn/status/1021742005037293569?s=21

Jose trying to get TheDoc back inside

https://twitter.com/sport_witness/status/1021658468980346881?s=21

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2018 02:12PM

I'm telling you - CM signed, Matic back to CB cause Woodward can't get in a CB jose wants.

Its so fecking stupid it might actually turn out to be the case.

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2018 02:14PM

I do like the idea of a Kroos, Fred, Pogba midfield 3 though....

But surely we could only be going for Kroos or Thiago if a midfielder is leaving. I think it would be good for Matic to be a rotational option in midfield, but I don't see Jose wanting to replace him as a first choice player.

Maybe these are incase Pogba is sold.

Cantona's Collars · 24-07-2018 02:27PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I do like the idea of a Kroos, Fred, Pogba midfield 3 though....

But surely we could only be going for Kroos or Thiago if a midfielder is leaving. I think it would be good for Matic to be a rotational option in midfield, but I don't see Jose wanting to replace him as a first choice player.

Maybe these are incase Pogba is sold.

That's a nightmare for Jose though,no way is that midfield defensive enough for him.
We need more width but the papers keep linking the club with midfielders.

bangkok · 24-07-2018 02:30PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

City won the league by a record margin with Fabian Delph at left back and Otamendi and Stones as their main CBs. We sort out our midfield, which hopefully the signing of Fred will do and get in someone on the RW and I've no issues with our defence.

Yes but city set the team up to attack and create chances so their defence is rarely under pressure.

We do the opposite and only for de gea we would be in a much worse position.

DM_7 · 24-07-2018 02:40PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think the exact opposite, and think your post actually points to part of the problem rather than why it is not a problem!

United need to attack better, rather than a better attack per se, imo. We have Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Lukaku, Mata in attack - with Pogba, Lingard, Fred (apparently good going forward) to support them. As options, we have good options (though I would love an actual winger) and our manager should be getting more out of that attack.

The United defence is not strong, imo. Our Goals Against is good because Dave Saves - more than his fair share of shots. He bails us out every game. We don't have good Goals Against because we shut the opposition down, our shots against and shots on target against stats are horrid relative to goals conceded. Far too often our defence doesn't stop the opposition, our keeper does.

Our full backs not joining in the attack early is a huge part of our attacking problem, especially when you consider our main options on both wings cut inside onto their favoured foot rather than go outside providing width (Rashford/Sanchez/Martial/Mata). We need the full backs to be the attacking wide outlet the forwards aren't. They don't do that, so our width is crap, our play becomes congested in the middle and our attack suffers in general.

If Jose provided more width via the attacking options, or put more freedom in the midfield to join the attack the full back problem would be lessened, but we haven't got a winger in that will provide natural width and Jose keeps banging on about Pogba needing to play more pragmatically.

So our attack won't come down the wings via attack or fullback and Jose doesn't want our midfielders taking risks, so god knows where he thinks the creativity and goals are going to come from.

I think it is midifield problems that cause the defence to be exposed. Too often opposition run at United defenders and no matter who you have in defence it is hard to deal with that. They don't get a lot of protection on front of them.

The back four should be marking forwards, cleaning up, intercepting, clearing away low percentage balls into the box that United force them to take on. They can only do that if the midfield offer real protection on front of them.

Too often teams get behind the United midfield and it us easy to take on the defence from there. Worse is it happens even when United appear well set, it does not have to ne a great counter attack to see the ball go behind Pogba (for example).

United are easy to get at, more so if full backs go forward, so they don't.

Adamocovic · 24-07-2018 02:41PM

bangkok wrote: »

Yes but city set the team up to attack and create chances so their defence is rarely under pressure.

We do the opposite and only for de gea we would be in a much worse position.

I agree. But I always fall into this argument.

On paper I see no reason why we can't set up our team to attack and alleviate pressure on our defence. Yes we have DDG for doing that but we have the forward players capable of doing it too in my mind.

Comparing our regular squads in 4-3-3:
Aguero - Lukaku
Sane - Sanchez
Sterling - Mata
De Bruyne - Pogba
Fernandinho - Matic
Silva - Herrera

For me, on paper, we had the quality to match them. Difference was they were far more prepared/organised (used same formation throughout season), drilled in tactically and players performed to their potential. Mixture of reasons.

Maybe I'm blind here but quality wise it's there for us. Now add Fred to that list and hopefully another RW and again, going into this season I see no reason we shouldn't be able to compete with them talent wise.

It will come down to the setup and individual performances.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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