Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

Fieldsman · 24-07-2018 10:59AM

During a big competition like the bad tradesman who always blames his tools he decided to sack the man carrying the bag. Can anyone imagine one of our top hurling free takers sacking the kit man when he can't put the ball over the bar.
Maybe jogging around the golf course a few times might be a help to his midriff.

Golfgorfield · 24-07-2018 11:00AM

GreeBo wrote: »

Do we know who left who between Lowry and Byrne?

Yeah, and tbf thats not something for a public forum, the discussion is probably best served around him going forward with a new caddy.

Id say its a good move.

Golfgorfield · 24-07-2018 11:01AM

Fieldsman wrote: »

During a big competition like the bad tradesman who always blames his tools he decided to sack the man carrying the bag. Can anyone imagine one of our top hurling free takers sacking the kit man when he can't put the ball over the bar.
Maybe jogging around the golf course a few times might be a help to his midriff.

So he 100% sacked the caddy?

GreeBo · 24-07-2018 11:02AM

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Yeah, and tbf thats not something for a public forum, the discussion is probably best served around him going forward with a new caddy.

Id say its a good move.

tbh I assumed Byrne left as he needs to look after his own interests first, I doubt he has been earning what he expected for the last while.

Probably the best thing for both of them, though it will be interesting to see who he gets and who is available.

Come back Bones!

Pa8301 · 24-07-2018 11:04AM

Fieldsman wrote: »

During a big competition like the bad tradesman who always blames his tools he decided to sack the man carrying the bag. Can anyone imagine one of our top hurling free takers sacking the kit man when he can't put the ball over the bar.
Maybe jogging around the golf course a few times might be a help to his midriff.

Are you seriously comparing the professional golfer-caddy relationship to that of a GAA player and the kit man for their team?

Pogue eile · 24-07-2018 11:38AM

Fieldsman wrote: »

During a big competition like the bad tradesman who always blames his tools he decided to sack the man carrying the bag. Can anyone imagine one of our top hurling free takers sacking the kit man when he can't put the ball over the bar.
Maybe jogging around the golf course a few times might be a help to his midriff.

There has been a lot of rubbish posted in the Golf forum over the last few days but fair play lad you have surpassed them all :rolleyes:

charlieIRL · 24-07-2018 11:40AM

Fieldsman wrote: »

Maybe jogging around the golf course a few times might be a help to his midriff.

I'll give you the benefit of doubt as you are new here, but please refrain from posting about Shane Lowry's weight, its been done to death here and not needed. Thanks.

charlieIRL · 24-07-2018 11:42AM

Alan Lowry is a fantastic golfer and I actually think he'll be good for Shane on the bag. If he's not enjoying the game at the moment having the familiar face on the bag might help, also from what I've read he's also a huge family man so brother / caddy / familiar face when in the US, hopefully will play a huge part in him keeping his card. He certainly has the game to do it.

vienne86 · 24-07-2018 11:58AM

charlieIRL wrote: »

Alan Lowry is a fantastic golfer and I actually think he'll be good for Shane on the bag. If he's not enjoying the game at the moment having the familiar face on the bag might help, also from what I've read he's also a huge family man so brother / caddy / familiar face when in the US, hopefully will play a huge part in him keeping his card. He certainly has the game to do it.

I hope you're right. Shane has been having a miserable time of it and we all want to see him in a better place.

GreeBo · 24-07-2018 12:02PM

charlieIRL wrote: »

Alan Lowry is a fantastic golfer and I actually think he'll be good for Shane on the bag. If he's not enjoying the game at the moment having the familiar face on the bag might help, also from what I've read he's also a huge family man so brother / caddy / familiar face when in the US, hopefully will play a huge part in him keeping his card. He certainly has the game to do it.

+1 means he is a talented amateur, but +1 wouldnt get you very far on any tour.

I think the only thing that will make Shane enjoy it more is playing better golf. Won't matter who is on the bag if he continues to miss cuts.

Felexicon · 24-07-2018 12:07PM

GreeBo wrote: »

+1 means he is a talented amateur, but +1 wouldnt get you very far on any tour.

I think the only thing that will make Shane enjoy it more is playing better golf. Won't matter who is on the bag if he continues to miss cuts.

Luckily he's not trying to play on tour.

GreeBo · 24-07-2018 12:18PM

Felexicon wrote: »

Luckily he's not trying to play on tour.

No, he is trying to support a guy who is desperately trying to stay on tour.

He has no experience of being a professional caddy or playing at that level to leverage to support him.

I'm not knocking him in the slightest, I just think its probably relevant to the discussion.

Felexicon · 24-07-2018 12:22PM

GreeBo wrote: »

No, he is trying to support a guy who is desperately trying to stay on tour.

He has no experience of being a professional caddy or playing at that level to leverage to support him.

I'm not knocking him in the slightest, I just think its probably relevant to the discussion.

Well if you are putting this forward as point to prove he doesn't have the credentials to be a caddy on tour could you please give a few examples of caddies who have played at that level.

Keano · 24-07-2018 01:32PM

GreeBo wrote: »

No, he is trying to support a guy who is desperately trying to stay on tour.

He has no experience of being a professional caddy or playing at that level to leverage to support him.

I'm not knocking him in the slightest, I just think its probably relevant to the discussion.

Jordan Speith's was a math's teacher...

GreeBo · 24-07-2018 02:25PM

Felexicon wrote: »

Well if you are putting this forward as point to prove he doesn't have the credentials to be a caddy on tour could you please give a few examples of caddies who have played at that level.

"He has no experience of being a professional caddy or playing at that level to leverage to support him"

Is what I said, so please dont cut half of the context out of my point.

He has no real tour experience as a caddy or a player. - Thats just a plain old fact.

Another fact is that Shane is struggling, badly, at the moment. He could realistically lose his card.

In my opinion, at a time like that you need someone who knows what they are doing out there. Someone who has experience of getting the best out of a player who is naturally down in the dumps due to a prolonged slump. Someone who knows the US courses well, knows the greens, knows where to miss and frankly knows how to prep a player and a bag for a professional tournament. Its more than carrying a bag for a few days, its not the Jimmy Bruen.

Again, I'm not knocking his brother, I'm not saying that he can't become the worlds greatest caddy, I'm saying right now he isn't a caddy and I think Shane needs one.

As for examples, there is some young Molinari fella that I hear people saying good things about lately.:cool:

GreeBo · 24-07-2018 02:31PM

Keano wrote: »

Jordan Speith's was a math's teacher...

He started caddying for him at the 2011 U.S. Junior Amateur and is 16 years older than him.

“Everything I have done in my life prepared me for this, specifically teaching for 10 years,” he told the Seattle Times last year. “Being able to think on your feet, being adaptable and having thick skin … you are going to mess up — and if you are not confident in yourself, your player picks up on that. You have to be willing to serve and encourage. Just like in teaching.”

Alan Lowry is 25.

Again, I'm not saying he wont become a great caddy, I'm just saying that right now he isn't one.

Keano · 24-07-2018 03:59PM

GreeBo wrote: »

He started caddying for him at the 2011 U.S. Junior Amateur and is 16 years older than him.

“Everything I have done in my life prepared me for this, specifically teaching for 10 years,” he told the Seattle Times last year. “Being able to think on your feet, being adaptable and having thick skin … you are going to mess up — and if you are not confident in yourself, your player picks up on that. You have to be willing to serve and encourage. Just like in teaching.”

Alan Lowry is 25.

Again, I'm not saying he wont become a great caddy, I'm just saying that right now he isn't one.

So let's maybe give him a go at it before shooting him down.

Pogue eile · 24-07-2018 04:45PM

GreeBo wrote: »

He started caddying for him at the 2011 U.S. Junior Amateur and is 16 years older than him.

“Everything I have done in my life prepared me for this, specifically teaching for 10 years,” he told the Seattle Times last year. “Being able to think on your feet, being adaptable and having thick skin … you are going to mess up — and if you are not confident in yourself, your player picks up on that. You have to be willing to serve and encourage. Just like in teaching.”

Alan Lowry is 25.

Again, I'm not saying he wont become a great caddy, I'm just saying that right now he isn't one.

You would definitely want a thick skin caddying for Spieth.

benny79 · 24-07-2018 04:55PM

Pogue eile wrote: »

You would definitely want a thick skin caddying for Spieth.[/QUO

Why? he's a gentleman.. Im serious by the way have met him.

Pogue eile · 24-07-2018 05:01PM

benny79 wrote: »

Pogue eile wrote: »

You would definitely want a thick skin caddying for Spieth.[/QUO

Why? he's a gentleman.. Im serious by the way have met him.

I'm sure he is and does come across well off the course, but by god he is a moany fckuer on course between giving out to the caddy and the ball, it never seems to be his fault - I get that it is what makes him the great player he is but as his caddy you would definitely want to be able to bite your lip and as said above be thick skinned.

GreeBo · 24-07-2018 05:12PM

Keano wrote: »

So let's maybe give him a go at it before shooting him down.

It takes years to become a good caddy, maybe you think Shane as years to sort his game out, I dont think he does and I dont think his last caddy did either.

Dbu · 24-07-2018 05:27PM

Pogue eile wrote: »

benny79 wrote: »

I'm sure he is and does come across well off the course, but by god he is a moany fckuer on course between giving out to the caddy and the ball, it never seems to be his fault - I get that it is what makes him the great player he is but as his caddy you would definitely want to be able to bite your lip and as said above be thick skinned.

Someone recently said, the only people nicer than Jordan Speith on tour are his parents:)

Eoinyh · 24-07-2018 08:18PM

GreeBo wrote: »

It takes years to become a good caddy, maybe you think Shane as years to sort his game out, I dont think he does and I dont think his last caddy did either.

"It takes years to become a good caddie" Really

Keano · 24-07-2018 08:32PM

GreeBo wrote: »

It takes years to become a good caddy, maybe you think Shane as years to sort his game out, I dont think he does and I dont think his last caddy did either.

You’re writing a 31 year old off. The recent Open winner is 35 and he had a rough few years. Not saying Shane can reach that height but very naive to write off someone who’s still young.

redhill · 24-07-2018 10:36PM

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Jaysus some nonsense in these threads recently.

Change can't do him any harm, mcllroy didn't fall off a cliff when he got rid of his "professional caddy"

One of the most accurate posts of the last couple of days on this thread. He has taken his brother on board for just 4 weeks, not as a full time caddy. His brother obviously knows him well, has played at a high amateur level ( which can’t be a disadvantage) and is in for a change of scenery for a short period only. That’s it basically, can’t see how this warrants talk about world class caddy attributes. It is indeed similar to Rory’s situation , he did similar with Harry Diamond, also a top amateur with no professional caddying experience. Without getting into a discussion about his caddying creditentals he has done at least as good as Rors previous caddy who was regarded in the upper echelons of tour caddys. Before Rory he caddied for Ernie Els, Clarke, McGinley etc and also was yet another top amateur

GreeBo · 24-07-2018 10:38PM

redhill wrote: »

One of the most accurate posts of the last couple of days on this thread. He has taken his brother on board for just 4 weeks, not as a full time caddy. His brother obviously knows him well, has played at a high amateur level ( which can’t be a disadvantage) and is in for a change of scenery for a short period only. That’s it basically, can’t see how this warrants talk about world class caddy attributes. It is indeed similar to Rory’s situation , he did similar with Harry Diamond, also a top amateur with no professional caddying experience. Without getting into a discussion about his caddying creditentals he has done at least as good as Rors previous caddy who was regarded in the upper echelons of tour caddys. Before Rory he caddied for Ernie Els, Clarke, McGinley etc and also was yet another top amateur

I think you'll find the major difference between the two situations is the current rankings of both players.

kiers47 · 24-07-2018 11:30PM

I do find it a little odd the caddie change tbh. Shane usually talks in glowing terms of Dermot in any interview he has done. But i mean i have no experience of any of this rather than observing from the outside so couldn't really say what is best. It would seem a bit crass for anyone on here to criticism that decision at this point without any evidence of what the new partnership or any future partnerships will be like.

Ill reserve judgement until some factual facts have been gathered rather than some dubious predictions.

downthemiddle · 24-07-2018 11:32PM

kiers47 wrote: »

I do find it a little odd the caddie change tbh. Shane usually talks in glowing terms of Dermot in any interview he has done. But i mean i have no experience of any of this rather than observing from the outside so couldn't really say what is best. It would seem a bit crass for anyone on here to criticism that decision at this point without any evidence of what the new partnership or any future partnerships will be like.

Ill reserve judgement until some factual facts have been gathered rather than some dubious predictions.

Sometimes people just need a change.

kiers47 · 24-07-2018 11:37PM

Indeed change can be good.

GreeBo · 24-07-2018 11:45PM

kiers47 wrote: »

I do find it a little odd the caddie change tbh. Shane usually talks in glowing terms of Dermot in any interview he has done. But i mean i have no experience of any of this rather than observing from the outside so couldn't really say what is best. It would seem a bit crass for anyone on here to criticism that decision at this point without any evidence of what the new partnership or any future partnerships will be like.

Ill reserve judgement until some factual facts have been gathered rather than some dubious predictions.

Did anyone criticise the decision for them to split? I certainly didn't.
I simply think that at the stage he is at right now regarding his card and future on the PGA tour, he needs a strong, experienced professional caddy on his bag, not his little brother who is probably going to be in awe of everything he is around for the next few weeks.

Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

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