The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

helimachoptor · 20-07-2018 4:09pm #1

Other one is getting close to the 10K limit and training camps and inevitable injuries are about to start!

Itssoeasy · 20-07-2018 5:36pm

I suppose this new thread is as good a time as any to get focused on the new season.

TOss Sweep · 20-07-2018 6:18pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Other one is getting close to the 10K limit and training camps and inevitable injuries are about to start!

You forgot to add "Denver Broncos & the "Insert Certain Users" Obession with the Patriots" to the thread title.

Hazys · 20-07-2018 7:35pm

I created the original thread years ago as every little story was getting its own thread but i still cringe a little at my thread title so please feel free to change it.

helimachoptor · 20-07-2018 7:57pm

Hazys wrote: »

I created the original thread years ago as every little story was getting its own thread but i still cringe a little at my thread title so please feel free to change it.

Don't want to wreck a masterpiece..

TOss Sweep · 20-07-2018 8:39pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Don't want to wreck a masterpiece..

I agree the thread is now somewhat Iconic

mikemac2 · 20-07-2018 9:15pm

The Baltimore media constantly asking if plays will be designed for Lamar Jackson

And some plays have been done with Flacco & RGIII or Flacco & Jackson getting on the field the same time.

Tis all hype. Harbaugh doesn't call plays but he's very conservative and this sort of thing doesn't happen in Baltimore. Not even with super mobile Tyrod Taylor. You'd have to go back to another Heisman winner Troy Smith when Harbaugh was a new HC to see these packages

Flacco will start every 2018 game as normal

JaMarcus · 20-07-2018 9:32pm

I read yesterday that Flacco held workouts with his wide receivers this year, something he hasn't done for 7 years.

I thought in this day and age that it was a given that QBs and WRs got together in their own time for some workouts. I was surprised to read that.

mikemac2 · 20-07-2018 9:49pm

It was two sessions in a park. I'm sure they did some good work but nothing intensive or structuring workouts in a high school facility or anything

I remember Mark Sanchez used to fly his WR & TE corps to California. To be commended I guess

Foxtrol · 21-07-2018 8:57pm

JaMarcus wrote: »

I read yesterday that Flacco held workouts with his wide receivers this year, something he hasn't done for 7 years.

I thought in this day and age that it was a given that QBs and WRs got together in their own time for some workouts. I was surprised to read that.

It is amazing what the pressure of someone snapping at your heels does. Looking the other way I doubt there is no correlation between Garoppolo leaving the Pats and Brady finding reasons to miss OTAs.

paulie21 · 22-07-2018 6:24pm

Tony Sparano has died suddenly aged 56. He was currently the O Line coach for the Vikings

Foxtrol · 22-07-2018 10:56pm

Barkley signed his deal today and despite never taking the field as a pro he became the 4th highest paid RB on an average annual basis in the league and the highest guaranteed money for an RB.

There is very little doubt that he is going to be some level of success but after what they could have used the pick on and the amount of money they have to pay him he needs to be consistently at an all-pro level to be worth it.

Itssoeasy · 23-07-2018 12:56am

Foxtrol wrote: »

It is amazing what the pressure of someone snapping at your heels does. Looking the other way I doubt there is no correlation between Garoppolo leaving the Pats and Brady finding reasons to miss OTAs.

Garoppolo was never a real treat to Tom. Although if i was a 49ers fans(which i'm not) if Garoppolo can carry forward the form he had for the last five games of last season, then the niners will be there of there abouts.

Foxtrol · 23-07-2018 2:41am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Garoppolo was never a real treat to Tom. Although if i was a 49ers fans(which i'm not) if Garoppolo can carry forward the form he had for the last five games of last season, then the niners will be there of there abouts.

Not sure if Tom agrees with you. He has talked about hating giving up any first team reps in practice (even when it was in the best interest of the team) and suddenly after the guy coming up behind him is traded he decides he is busy for OTAs.

It is all theoretical but if Tom missed the first 5 games of last season and Garoppolo played like he did in the last 5 for the 49ers then very different choices could have been made.

mikemac2 · 23-07-2018 6:46am

More of a coaching question but just wondering

I was watching last chance U on Netflix and the head coach signals in the plays a bit like they do in baseball only far less complicated than the major leagues

The plays are quite basic (though the coach reckons he is a genius :rolleyes: )and easy to follow. If the coach slants his arm across his chest that’s a slant. Sticks his thumb outwards that’s a pitch. Pretty easy

Are there any rule stoppping a coach on the opposite sideline or even the middle linebacker to watch these signals and adjusting the defense?

I know Americans have these “unwritten rules” and etiquette like not running up the score so maybe it’s frowned on

I think if I was sitting in the stands I could figure out the plays just watching the coach

phatkev · 23-07-2018 10:16am

I was wondering the same thing myself when watching it, and he pretty much showed half of them to the camera man. I know it was filmed last year, but i dont think he's the type of coach to go and change them this year if he's still the head coach ( I'd say they're the exact same ones he used when he was playing). Not that any of it matters cause the QB will just change the play as soon as he gets to the LOS anyway :pac:

BizzyC · 23-07-2018 10:22am

Absolutely nothing stopping someone trying to read hand signals, but you don't have time to in practice.
The defence needs to have a play ready to go for a quick snap, which means getting you're own call in quickly and giving the linebackers time to read the offensive formation and personnel groupings to make their own pre-snap adjustments.
Waiting to read the coaches signals before getting ready for the snap would leave you on the back foot.

23-07-2018 1:45pm

Just had a quick look at rule changes there and the overtime one is cofusing me. From wikipedia:

In overtime, when a team is ahead by 3 points, a down will run to its conclusion and all applicable points will score, even if there is a loss of possession. Previously, the offense of the trailing team could not legally score if they lost and regained possession and reached the opponent's end zone all on the same play. The rule remains that if there is a double change of possession on a play with one team in the lead, it is the last play of the game.

How is this different? If you're trailing and lose the ball the down ends, game over. If you're trailing and lose the ball and gain it back the game is over.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 23-07-2018 4:53pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Not sure if Tom agrees with you. He has talked about hating giving up any first team reps in practice (even when it was in the best interest of the team) and suddenly after the guy coming up behind him is traded he decides he is busy for OTAs.

It is all theoretical but if Tom missed the first 5 games of last season and Garoppolo played like he did in the last 5 for the 49ers then very different choices could have been made.

7 TDs with 5 INTs versus 32 TDs and just 8 INTs (and the reining MVP)? There was no choice to be made. Jimmy looked even better in his 1.5 games the previous season, and there still wasn't a decision to be made.
You can make up the theory, but it's behind the whole Butler and Guerrero sagas.

Paully D · 23-07-2018 5:11pm

This is the last week without a college or NFL game until after the Super Bowl!

Paully D · 23-07-2018 7:03pm

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1021426375536857090?s=21

I wonder if Josh Gordon’s leave of absence has anything to do with getting him away from the Hard Knocks cameras?

Foxtrol · 23-07-2018 7:17pm

munstermagic11 wrote: »

7 TDs with 5 INTs versus 32 TDs and just 8 INTs (and the reining MVP)? There was no choice to be made. Jimmy looked even better in his 1.5 games the previous season, and there still wasn't a decision to be made.
You can make up the theory, but it's behind the whole Butler and Guerrero sagas.

How does comparing stats for a player over a season against another having just five games make any sense? If you look at the stats over the same 5 game period Brady actually had one more interception than Garoppolo and only 3 additional TDs (10 TDs with 6 Ints) and that was with Brady having a far superior team around him at the Patriots, knowing those players long enough to build strong chemistry, and having the same HC for 15 plus years compared to the few weeks/months for Garoppolo.

I admit a random 5 game sample isn’t ideal either, but it isn’t as disingenuous as the stats you were throwing out.

From everything that has come out of the Patriots, including official statements, there clearly was a choice to be made and I don’t see how anyone could claim that a larger sample size of good performances from Garoppolo would have made the decision easier.

phatkev · 23-07-2018 7:17pm

Paully D wrote: »

I wonder if Josh Gordon’s leave of absence has anything to do with getting him away from the Hard Knocks cameras?

this was the first thing that came into my head when i read it

j8wk2feszrnpao · 23-07-2018 8:54pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

How does comparing stats for a player over a season against another having just five games make any sense?

If you can't see the relevance of 5 INTs in 5 games, compared to 8 INTs in 16 games, then ok. You can call actual stats disingenuous if you wish. I'll let you continue with theoretical stuff.

Paully D · 23-07-2018 9:30pm

https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1021485134380523522?s=21

Surprising one.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 23-07-2018 9:57pm

Paully D wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1021485134380523522?s=21

Surprising one.

I'd be surprised if they got much for him. He'd a number of big catches late in SB 51, but he's been a non factor since. The trade must be a reflection of his currently injury status.

Foxtrol · 23-07-2018 11:33pm

munstermagic11 wrote: »

If you can't see the relevance of 5 INTs in 5 games, compared to 8 INTs in 16 games, then ok. You can call actual stats disingenuous if you wish. I'll let you continue with theoretical stuff.

So, the stat you’re worried about is the one where Garoppolo had one fewer interception than Brady in the period they both played? Garoppolo was always going to make some mistakes given that he had a few weeks to learn a notoriously hard playbook (even an obviously pared down version of it), not knowing his new teammates, playing behind a previously porous OL, and was throwing mostly to late draft picks, UDFAs, and guys believed to be journeymen at best.

Despite all that there is nothing theoretical that in 2017 Garoppolo was the most efficient QB in scoring drives in the NFL (with 60%, Brady was 2nd with 52.8%), he ranked third in the NFL in yardage per game (410 per game), fifth in scoring (28.8 points), and finished first in yards per attempt (8.44).

It was still a small sample but if he can come close to that level of performance next season I’ll be very happy that there ‘wasn’t a decision to be made’ by the Patriots.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 24-07-2018 7:30am

Foxtrol wrote: »

So, the stat you’re worried about is the one where Garoppolo had one fewer interception than Brady in the period they both played?

I’m not worried about it at all. And the stat is one fewer INT in 1/3 of the games. It disingenuous to suggest it’s about one fewer INT.

Foxtrol wrote: »

It was still a small sample but if he can come close to that level of performance next season I’ll be very happy that there ‘wasn’t a decision to be made’ by the Patriots.

Yes, we know the agenda.
Even if this is Brady’s last season, I’m still ok with keeping him (esp as he’s the reigning MVP, coming off an outstanding SB performance). Was a fan before Bill/Brady arrived, and will be when they are gone. Two legends who I hope will leave with the Pats as their last team.

Podge_irl · 24-07-2018 7:43am

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I’m not worried about it at all. And the stat is one fewer INT in 1/3 of the games. It disingenuous to suggest it’s about one fewer INT.

It is one fewer INT over the same 5-game period.

I doubt, given Brady's stature, that anything different would have happened anyway. Though realistically that might be a fairly short-sighted view. Putting Manning back in for the Giants last year was utterly bananas and the complete wrong decision but such is the nature of the NFL and the status of QBs in general.

BizzyC · 24-07-2018 8:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

How is this different? If you're trailing and lose the ball the down ends, game over. If you're trailing and lose the ball and gain it back the game is over.

Team trailing by 3 in OT throws an Int, DB then fumbles during his return, Offense picks up fumble and runs it in for a TD.
Old Rule - Play is dead when offense recover the ball, no points scored
New Rule - Game is over after this play, if a TD is scored it will still count.

Foxtrol · 24-07-2018 4:29pm

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I’m not worried about it at all. And the stat is one fewer INT in 1/3 of the games. It disingenuous to suggest it’s about one fewer INT.

Garoppolo only played week 12-17 and had 5 INTS while during the same week 12-17 period Brady had 6 INTS. That is Garoppolo having one fewer INT over the same game week period.

Yes, we know the agenda.

What agenda? I’m regularly questioning of other teams and players and no one claims an ‘agenda’.

KrustyUCC · 24-07-2018 5:43pm

Falcons WR Julio Jones doesn't plan to report to camp

The Atlanta Falcons will open training camp without their best player.

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reports that Julio Jones does not plan to report to camp on Thursday, per sources informed of the decision. The wideout is comfortable sitting out all of camp, Rapoport added.

Jones skipped all offseason team workouts -- he did attend Matt Ryan's passing camp earlier this month -- in hopes of getting a new contract.

With three seasons left on Jones' current deal, the Falcons have balked at acquiescing to the All-Pro receiver. NFL Network's Tom Pelissero previously reported Atlanta brass promised Jones they'd work on a contract re-do after the 2018 season.

Apparently, that's not an acceptable compromise for Jones.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000941630/article/falcons-wr-julio-jones-doesnt-plan-to-report-to-camp

j8wk2feszrnpao · 24-07-2018 7:27pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

It is one fewer INT over the same 5-game period.

Yes, but we know what else Brady did for the rest of the season. And previous seasons. It’s why there wasn’t a decision to be made. Maybe 5 games is a better way for others to make a rational and unbiased judgement.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 24-07-2018 7:29pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Apparently, that's not an acceptable compromise for Jones.

Part of me thinks he’s worth the money, but then I think you’re only 2years into the deal you signed.
Is an unthinkable trade fore coming?

eagle eye · 24-07-2018 9:05pm

It's frightening when you realise that it's nine years since Hazy's set up the first one of these threads.

D9Male · 26-07-2018 5:29pm

The mood music coming from Indianapolis about Andrew Luck is very promising this season. He is participating in camp and expected to start the first pre-season game.

The AFC south is shaping up to be the most imponderable division in football:

Texans - star-studded, potentially elite defence, albeit with their star coming back from serious injury. Ridiculously exciting quarterback, although Watson is also coming back from injury. Could get anywhere between 3 and 13 wins realistically.

Colts - if Luck is back playing well, they are well set. They have invested in their OL and their running game. The D remains a problem, but they have some young talent and a new co-ordinator so they could also bomb or soar.

Jaguars - they were this close (my index finger and thumb are really close together) to getting to the Super Bowl last year. Their defence is scarily good, their quarter back has looked scarily bad at times.

Titans - they looked bad at times last season, with many stars underperforming, yet they still made the playoffs. What will happen with a new regime in place in Tennessee?

jack presley · 26-07-2018 8:42pm

D9Male wrote: »

The mood music coming from Indianapolis about Andrew Luck is very promising this season.

Ah yes, you've gotta love day 1 of training camp optimism.

helimachoptor · 27-07-2018 10:09am

AFC south is generally all over the place, but if things go right, you could see 3 teams from the division in the play offs

D9Male wrote: »

The AFC south is shaping up to be the most imponderable division in football:

Texans - star-studded, potentially elite defence, albeit with their star coming back from serious injury. Ridiculously exciting quarterback, although Watson is also coming back from injury. Could get anywhere between 3 and 13 wins realistically.

Real potential to go from Zero's to Hero's if they can keep everyone playing

Colts - if Luck is back playing well, they are well set. They have invested in their OL and their running game. The D remains a problem, but they have some young talent and a new co-ordinator so they could also bomb or soar.

Need to see what Luck is like, O-line additions will certainly help, 6 wins imo assuming Luck plays the year

Jaguars - they were this close (my index finger and thumb are really close together) to getting to the Super Bowl last year. Their defence is scarily good, their quarter back has looked scarily bad at times.

imo Bortles goes back to his 2016 version, their defence wont be as impactful as last year

Titans - they looked bad at times last season, with many stars underperforming, yet they still made the playoffs. What will happen with a new regime in place in Tennessee?
Titans were great last year, mariota was poor for long stretches, defense bailed out the offence a huge amount.

Players seem to have taken to Vrabel, he's inexperienced, but his OC/DC are very experienced.. Titans to the AFC championship game baby!

helimachoptor · 27-07-2018 2:13pm

Titans LT Taylor Lewan signs, 5 year 80 million deal, 50 mil guaranteed.
Highest paid tackle in the NFL now

Itssoeasy · 27-07-2018 4:04pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

AFC south is generally all over the place, but if things go right, you could see 3 teams from the division in the play offs

Titans for the AFC championship game ? It's not exactly Vince "dream team" young territory yet Heli but you'd want to watch that talk, at least this early in the year. I mean I'm all for a bit of off season optimism but let's be fair here.

Foxtrol · 27-07-2018 5:16pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

AFC south is generally all over the place, but if things go right, you could see 3 teams from the division in the play offs

Possible but that would be more about the poor quality of the AFC than anything else.

helimachoptor · 27-07-2018 5:56pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Titans for the AFC championship game ? It's not exactly Vince "dream team" young territory yet Heli but you'd want to watch that talk, at least this early in the year. I mean I'm all for a bit of off season optimism but let's be fair here.

We were only 30 points away from it last season..

Paully D · 27-07-2018 9:49pm

And so it begins:

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1022943912535707653?s=21

helimachoptor · 28-07-2018 3:01pm

Paully D wrote: »

And so it begins:

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1022943912535707653?s=21

Titans have been really lucky the last few years, but the Chargers are proper cursed by the looks of it

Itssoeasy · 28-07-2018 3:08pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Titans have been really lucky the last few years, but the Chargers are proper cursed by the looks of it

Maybe someone in San Diego cursed the team. They had some really bad luck in the early games last season. A field goal here and there and it would have been a different story.

helimachoptor · 28-07-2018 3:22pm

A good read from ESPN on Malcolm Butler

http://www.espn.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/26447/malcolm-butler-refuses-to-be-defined-by-his-super-bowl-moments

j8wk2feszrnpao · 28-07-2018 6:46pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

A good read from ESPN on Malcolm Butler

http://www.espn.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/26447/malcolm-butler-refuses-to-be-defined-by-his-super-bowl-moments

Not sure we’ll ever get the answer as to why he didn’t play.
Hope he does well.
Titans lining up with 2 exPats CBs next season, Butler and Ryan.

Jolly Red Giant · 29-07-2018 10:32am

TOss Sweep wrote: »

You forgot to add "Denver Broncos & the "Insert Certain Users" Obession with the Patriots" to the thread title.

Doesn't need to do that - I'll keep the momentum going

Jolly Red Giant · 30-07-2018 3:15pm

I see that Matt Patricia's attempt to bring the 'Patriot Way' to Detroit is already going down the plug-hole -

https://eu.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/06/08/detroit-lions-matt-patricia/684073002/

JaMarcus · 30-07-2018 4:58pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I see that Matt Patricia's attempt to bring the 'Patriot Way' to Detroit is already going down the plug-hole -

https://eu.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/06/08/detroit-lions-matt-patricia/684073002/

Stop the press, players don't like running sprints! :eek:

And training camp has been on for 3 whole days.

Jesus Christ JRG, you've well and truly jumped the shark at this stage. You're like a parody of the old JRG! :pac:

jack presley · 30-07-2018 6:44pm

Not NFL but this story made me laugh. They go 2-10 but as there's only 4 teams in the league, they all make it to the playoffs.

https://deadspin.com/a-two-win-team-won-the-arena-football-league-title-1827967107

And the guy who owns the Washington Capitals owns both teams that made the final so at the outset he had a 50% chance of winning the title and that increased to 100% after the first round of the playoffs.

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