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My son is not mine

  • 22-07-2018 9:52am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭


    Long time boardsie but going unreg for this.

    I'll try to keep it as short as possible, if I leave anything out or clarification is needed do ask & I appreciate any help you guys have.

    So I met my now wife nearly 20 years ago. She became pregnant with our son not long after we met (we were about a month into our relationship when she discovered she was pregnant). Now this came as a bit of a surprise because we did not as of this time have full intercourse (don't want to get too graphic but hand jobs, rubbing genitals together). With a bit of internet research, I discovered that this kind of behavior can result in pregnancy so no problems there. When it came to the 12 week scan, I was flicking through my wife's case folder and noticed that it had a date of conception or fertilization date (I don't remember the term) that was BEFORE we met.

    As you can expect we had quite a conversation about this. She told me that there was no possibility that anyone but myself could be the father. She did have casual boyfriends before she met me but she promised that the last time she was with anyone in a way that could result in pregnancy was a couple of months before we met. We spoke about this for a couple of weeks, she wasn't to communicative though. All of this was then forgotten about and our amazing son was born. There were a few medical complications after the birth with my wife but all in all the pregnancy was fine.

    When my son was about 6 months old we decided to find a flat and we began renting in our town, it was wonderful for a few months but then my wife began to change. She was constantly in a terrible mood, did not communicate and generally treated me like crap & there was little or no sex. I tried to help, tried to find out what was wrong, I thought she had postnatal depression, she did not want to seek help. This situation continued for a year until I finally had enough. I decided I was going to leave. It took quite a bit of courage and building up confidence to leave and during the build up I think she sensed what was coming and things started to improve but it was too late for me. We broke up. The breakup was extremely harsh on me, her family blamed me for everything, questioning my manhood, threatening me. It was awful.

    We managed to remain friends and we raised our son as a team despite not being a couple. Everything was grand considering. We discussed on and off what had happened but never really got to the bottom of it. After a few years, feelings started coming back and we got back together and eventually married. We bought a house right around the corner from her mums and near enough to my parents and all was grand for a couple of years. Then she started to change, the moods came back and the sex life plummeted although things were not as bad as the first time. Eventually though I decided I could not go on but because we were now married I felt I could not get away.

    It was around this time & out of nowhere an ad popped up on my computer screen for a home DNA test. I did not know such a thing existed and all of a sudden my mind went back to the time of the 12 week scan. Could this be the reason she is not right with me, does she have some dark secret that she cannot handle. Does she suspect someone else might be the father? It would certainly explain some things. I thought and thought about doing a home dna test but felt incredible guilt. My little lad is my world, I didn't want to do anything behind his back & to be honest it doesn't bother me if I am biologically his dad or not, I am his dad no matter what.

    Eventually I decided to do it just to eliminate the thoughts from my head. I was 99.999% sure the test would say I was the father. When the results arrived in my inbox, I did not hesitate to open them, expecting to feel very guilty for even questioning paternity. But the result was that I was "excluded" as the biological father ie. I am not biologically related to my son. I spent months mulling over this. Was there a mistake at the lab? Surly this could not be true! My wife is not a liar and if she is, she is VERY, VERY good at it.

    I managed to convince myself that there was some mistake at the lab and life continued on, myself and the wife getting on but not 100% happy by a long shot. As far as my little lad (now my little man!) is concerned, nothing changed, he is my world and nothing will ever change that.

    Roll on to recent times and she has for the first time started to question whether we should stay together, things are just not that great. It is starting to look like we're gonna split. I decided a few weeks ago to do another test, just to confirm the result. I done another test, this time feeling even more guilty. The results were the same, I am now convinced that I am not the biological father of my son.

    And now to my dilemmas:

    Is it possible that my wife does not know what I know? Has she convinced herself that only I could be the father? Is part of her suspicious and is that the root of our problems? I often wonder did she notice a likeness to a previous boyfriend in my son and it shattered her world.

    Do I have a duty to inform my son (he is now 19 years old and in college)? I would be more on the side of believing he should know. There are also other people to consider. Does the biological father know? Does my lad have half brothers and sisters.

    Do I have a duty to inform my wife of what I know?

    Should the biological father know?

    Thanks for reading & sorry about the length. May I also end by saying that it looks like I blame my wife for everything here but I am no saint either. I do love her & want things to work out. I just need answers.

    tldr - I am not the biological father of my son and I don't know whether my wife even knows herself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Conflats


    Sorry to hear your story

    From personal experience of my biological father wanting nothing to do with me (and I am 27 now) it takes more than blood to be a father. My mother married a wonderful man who treated me as his own from the moment they were married, I have 2 brothers and I don't call them half brothers because it's more than blood.

    You have a a son and he should be told but make it clear your still the man who helped raise him.

    First thing you need to do is talk calmly to your wife and outline why you got the DNA test and your gut feeling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Your wife 100% knows and has always known that you are not this mans biological father and she knows 100% who the biological father is.
    The first thing you need to do is calmly and privately tell her that you have done 2 DNA tests and that you know the truth. You can tell her that you always had a niggling doubt in the back of your mind.
    It’s important that you stress 2 things. First you are not angry with her and that you would do it all over again and secondly that you don’t feel any different about your son.
    Once you’ve done that then you can tell your son.
    No more secrets and no more lies.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agree with the above, your wife knows for sure who the biological father of her son is.
    It is a pity this didn't come out years ago, because ye could have got over it.
    But I do think your son 100% deserves to know. Just talk to your wife first.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭vectorvictor


    Op, your post was a difficult one to read. Firstly , I am sure you realise the difference between between fathering a child and being a Dad.

    You know the truth now. It is for you and you only to decide how you approach that with the mother and child and if you want to

    I honestly think if I was in the position after this amount of time that I would give strong consideration to weighing up the pros of dealing with it with the negatives of doing so.

    I have nothing of huge value to add other than that I hope you remember the huge value of the role you have played versus the mundane act required to be a biological Dad.

    Good luck op and I don't want to sound like a do-gooder but there are resources out there. Talking is a great way of hearing yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    That's a very bizarre story. How did you obtain the DNA sample fro m.your son without him knowing? How did the lab agree to.process the result without mother's signature to give consent for testing?


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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wesser wrote: »
    That's a very bizarre story. How did you obtain the DNA sample fro m.your son without him knowing? How did the lab agree to.process the result without mother's signature to give consent for testing?

    Can be done online very easily. A friend of mine had a son with a one night stand, & was always dubious , both families loves the child, first grandchild both sides. But he just sent off the 2 samples, very easy to get, turned out he wasn't the father.
    Thankfully the child was still a baby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭vectorvictor


    Wesser wrote: »
    That's a very bizarre story. How did you obtain the DNA sample fro m.your son without him knowing? How did the lab agree to.process the result without mother's signature to give consent for testing?

    No consent needed
    A hair or swab is easy to obtain

    The labs would be out of business if mammy needed to consent!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭khaldrogo


    OP - you are a very naive man.

    Best of luck with your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭vectorvictor


    khaldrogo wrote: »
    OP - you are a very naïve man.

    Best of luck with your life.

    I would say he is a damn lot further in the process of being a man than someone with that altitude.

    Were you distracted long from playing computer games to submit that valuable contribution to someone's problem?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭MissShihTzu


    This is a very difficult situation, and I do feel very sorry for the OP.

    But I have to ask. How reliable were those tests? Are the labs you sent them to reliable? Are they accredited to the legal system? Anything could have happened to the samples, they can be easily contaminated. That is why in cases where paternity might be disputed, the court/social services administer the test where all parties have the samples taken in the same conditions. That ensures the samples are taken correctly and tested properly.

    I would speak to your wife again. Be calm, tell her what you have told us, and ask if the test can be conducted again properly. It would at least set your mind at rest, if nothing else. I would not speak to your son yet until you've had the talk with your wife.

    Whatever the test might or might not say, you're still the boy's father. Any male of the species can make a baby, but it takes a man to raise one. Don't forget that!

    I wish you luck and peace, OP.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭khaldrogo


    19 years ago the man believed that he got a woman pregnant despite not ever having had sex with her. Naive.

    Have you some personal problem with me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭fima


    I am so sorry about this happening to you OP and also your son. Does he know what’s going on? I ask because I think it’s important he is involved and consulted in such a divisive issue regarding his biological history.


  • Administrators Posts: 14,751 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    vectorvictor and khaldrogo, Personal Issues is an advice forum, and posters are expected to offer mature constructive advice to the OP when posting. Taking pot shots at each other is not tolerated here. It's off-topic at best, uncivil at worst. Please read the Forum Charter before posting in Personal Issues/Relationship Issues again.

    Thanks,
    Big Bag of Chips.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭MissShihTzu


    fima wrote: »
    I am so sorry about this happening to you OP and also your son. Does he know what’s going on? I ask because I think it’s important he is involved and consulted in such a divisive issue regarding his biological history.


    He should be. But not yet. IMO, the OP needs to speak with his wife first. That is the most important thing. They need to work as a team on this for the sake of the son, putting their personal issues aside. I also think the OP should ask for a proper DNA test taken by an accredited lab (not someone from the 'net) which will settle matters once and for all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭vectorvictor


    fima wrote: »
    I am so sorry about this happening to you OP and also your son. Does he know what’s going on? I ask because I think it’s important he is involved and consulted in such a divisive issue regarding his biological history.

    The reference to biological history does raise something I never considered in my original response and is very valid.

    I'm sure plenty of us have been asked about family history of x,y and z whilst at doctors.

    Would the op be liable for not telling his son that he is not the father causing his son to give inaccurate family medical history?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭MissShihTzu


    Liable for what? This would be down to the mother. IF the boy is indeed proven not to be the OP's son. He needs to make certain first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭vectorvictor


    Liable for what? This would be down to the mother. IF the boy is indeed proven not to be the OP's son. He needs to make certain first.

    As in no my Dad has no history of (insert complaint)

    Dad hasn't told him he's not father
    Mum doesn't know (assuming)

    Agree with making certain


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭NinetyTwoTeam


    As in no my Dad has no history of (insert complaint)

    Dad hasn't told him he's not father
    Mum doesn't know (assuming)

    Agree with making certain

    you're reaching with this whole liable thing ffs

    the boy is 19. you're not going to the doctor with worries about inherited dangers due to family history at that age.

    i feel bad OP, and I would tell your son. he should know the truth especially considering you and his mother broke up. he should know that you stepped up and did what you thought was right despite major doubts about being the father, and that his mother knows who his real father is and never told him and let him think it was someone else. I would want to know, because it can be tough for kids of divorce who want to know what caused it when the truth is being hidden.

    this lady tricked you and her son and the truth needs to come out now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭vectorvictor


    you're reaching with this whole liable thing ffs

    the boy is 19. you're not going to the doctor with worries about inherited dangers due to family history at that age.

    Perhaps. You will see from my initial posts that I am very sympathetic to the op's situation.

    It was simply a question replying to the biological input by another poster.

    I disagree that 19 is too young to need to know family medical history but perhaps this thread is the wrong place and timing for that discussion for which I apologise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    I think you should have obtained your sons permission before doing a DNA test on him. Age 19. To do so is immoral and probably illegal.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Salthillprom


    I think your son needs to know from a medical point or view. There are lots of genetic diseases that people need to know about to get tested. My own husband has Haemochromatosis for example and he only got tested for it because another family member found out he had it! Similarly, I’ve to get my children tested at some stage for it because of the family links. There are other more serious ailments and the only way that people get tested is when they know that someone in their family has it. So I think your son needs to know for this reason.

    I think your wife either knows or strongly suspects you aren’t the father and yes, this secret could eat a person up and cause them to become unbearable to live with.

    You must sit her down and have a chat about this.

    Good luck. Not easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Wesser wrote: »
    I think you should have obtained your sons permission before doing a DNA test on him. Age 19. To do so is immoral and probably illegal.

    OP here

    Both tests were done when he was under 18. One was done when he was 7 and the other when he was just about to turn 18. No laws were broken, everything was above board. It was a very difficult thing to do, believe me I thought about it for a long time. I felt like I was going behind his and my wife's back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    OP it sounds like you've had a long and tricky emotional road. I love the bit where you say it wont make a difference to how you feel about your son whom you clearly love.

    Regarding your dilema - who would it hurt most to tell - who would be devestated and have everything turned upsidedown by this news. Most probably your son. What could happen - him hate your wife, bitterness, turnoil and hurt. What would you or he gain from it? Hunting for stranger from 20 years ago?Letting a middle aged man into your life whose reaction or rejection or denial could damage or hurt your son even more. That man may have a family and not want them to know . He may be dead. Or in prison. Or long emigrated. Your wife may have been innocent or afraid 20 years ago- or calculating - either way it is your son that will suffer with this news. If she knows there is a doubt then she nay have had her suspicions all along. Doctors are OfTEN wrong with dates. As can cycles be out of kilter.
    I have heard of those dna test kits being inaccurate or having inaccurate readings but I dont know. You could try again with a different company and different lab before finalising your own thoughts of non biological relationships being so firmly stuck in your head - for something this big I would want to be 150% POSITIVE.

    And then? Personally I might let it go - you love him, you spent your life bringing him up and looking after his every need and giving him a strong solid loving foundation for life and family. Why ruin all that for revenge on your wife who is possibly going to go her own way anyway? Your son might resent you for using this information against his mother or for the upset,denials and emotional recriminations that might follow. You might end up losing far more than you want in this.

    Regarding DNA ads popping up in your computer - do.you share one with your wife? Have you been reading up on them? Has she?because we all know that google uses tracking algorithms to post ads to your account that relate to what you have been reading or for searching for online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Wesser wrote: »
    That's a very bizarre story. How did you obtain the DNA sample fro m.your son without him knowing? How did the lab agree to.process the result without mother's signature to give consent for testing?

    OP here

    Only the signature of 1 legal guardian is required. Everything I done was above board legally. Oral swab was used in the first test, I would rather not specify how the second test's samples were obtained but there is plenty of information online should you wish to find info on that subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    khaldrogo wrote: »
    OP - you are a very naive man.

    Best of luck with your life.

    OP here

    Thanks for taking the time to read my problem. I understand where you are coming from. At the time I did ask many questions and done some research into how conception could have happened sans full intercourse. It does occasionally happen under such circumstances. Looking back over the years I admit I was somewhat naive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Regarding DNA ads popping up in your computer - do.you share one with your wife? Have you been reading up on them? Has she?because we all know that google uses tracking algorithms to post ads to your account that relate to what you have been reading or for searching for online.

    OP here

    Thanks for your post. I actually have no idea how such an ad popped up. It was literally the first time I had ever heard of such a test. It would have been a random advertisement. No we do not share computers, she loves her MAC & I hate it!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    To be fair op, you have always known from closer to day one that you were probably not the boy's father. You just choose to ignore the likelihood and convince yourself otherwise.

    It's a crappy situation now so I sympathize with that.

    I don't know what you should do. Really, there is nothing you can do that isn't going to make big waves.

    Your wife sounds like a manipulative cow to be honest. Her taking advantage of your naievty and gullibility is evidence enough of this.

    You should split with her. Definitely.

    Does his bio father know? Possibly. I would say unlikely tho.

    Does your son deserve to know? Yes. But be careful how you approach it. Hey advice from a good counselor who is experienced in this kinda thing before you tackle this one.

    Have they half brothers & sisters?
    Quite possible. But the connection is genetic only. They would be no more connection between them than between you and I to be honest.
    Personally, I don't really believe in half siblings unless you were raised with them.
    I have a half brother. I have no contact with them nor interest in them as I have nothing in common with him besides some DNA. Meh imo.


  • Administrators Posts: 14,751 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Red card for TheBoyConor. You have been warned before about resorting to name calling.

    sexmag, I've deleted your post as it was off-topic and backseat moderating. If you have an issue with a post report it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭ManOfMystery


    I don't think you're naive OP. You certainly come across in your post as fairly astute as to what is going on around you. 

    I think however that you've been guilty of burying your head in the sand and trying to avoid this issue for 19 years. Let's be honest, when you first saw your wife's scan - when she was pregnant - and you saw the conception date, you must have known deep down then that you weren't the father? Especially considering you'd only indulged in foreplay with your wife and not even had full sexual intercourse?

    There generally aren't grey areas when it comes to conception, at least not in this case. If the conception date was before you and your wife did anything physical together, then you can't be the father. It was that simple 19 yrs ago, and it's still that simple. 

    Anyway - in terms of looking ahead, I agree with the poster above that it's time for all the lies and deception to be cast aside and for the truth to come out. Your wife needs to know that you know. And you deserve an explanation from her, at the least, as to why she went out of her way for 19yrs to convince you that you were the biological father.

    Your son also deserves to know the truth of his parentage. Some day in the future DNA tests may be much more prevalent than they are now and he may find out anyway - and I think it would be better he heard it from you now. But in doing so, you have to be prepared for confusion and perhaps even anger on his part. You've had 19yrs to get used to an idea which once festered in your head; and by your own admission, it makes no difference to your feelings for him as you've been a committed father (biological or not) to him either way. But he is young, and this will come as a total shock, so he may not have as good a handle on things as you have had. 

    He will need your patience, understanding, support, and continued reassurance that this will not change the feeling between you both in any way. And in turn, you will need patience and understanding in the event that he may want to get to know his biological father.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Good morning

    1. Seek Counselling. This is obviously traumatic and you are this lads father in reality and in your heart.

    2. I think you need to confront your wife with the DNA tests.

    3. Your son is an innocent party in this and needs to know the truth for his own sense of identity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    OP it sounds like you've had a long and tricky emotional road. I love the bit where you say it wont make a difference to how you feel about your son whom you clearly love.

    Regarding your dilema - who would it hurt most to tell - who would be devestated and have everything turned upsidedown by this news. Most probably your son. What could happen - him hate your wife, bitterness, turnoil and hurt. What would you or he gain from it? Hunting for stranger from 20 years ago?Letting a middle aged man into your life whose reaction or rejection or denial could damage or hurt your son even more. That man may have a family and not want them to know . He may be dead. Or in prison. Or long emigrated. Your wife may have been innocent or afraid 20 years ago- or calculating - either way it is your son that will suffer with this news. If she knows there is a doubt then she nay have had her suspicions all along. Doctors are OfTEN wrong with dates. As can cycles be out of kilter.
    I have heard of those dna test kits being inaccurate or having inaccurate readings but I dont know. You could try again with a different company and different lab before finalising your own thoughts of non biological relationships being so firmly stuck in your head - for something this big I would want to be 150% POSITIVE.

    And then? Personally I might let it go - you love him, you spent your life bringing him up and looking after his every need and giving him a strong solid loving foundation for life and family. Why ruin all that for revenge on your wife who is possibly going to go her own way anyway? Your son might resent you for using this information against his mother or for the upset,denials and emotional recriminations that might follow. You might end up losing far more than you want in this.

    Regarding DNA ads popping up in your computer - do.you share one with your wife? Have you been reading up on them? Has she?because we all know that google uses tracking algorithms to post ads to your account that relate to what you have been reading or for searching for online.

    The son has the right to know and the news should be broken to him very sensitively. This is because there could be some medical issues in the biological father's family. The boy's mother more than likely knows who the biological father is so the OP should discuss this with her before talking to the boy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    you need to get this test verified and communicated to your son
    he quite possibly has siblings of a similar age that he could be interacting with unknowingly .

    It is known that half siblings who don't know they are half siblings can have a connection that they often confuse for sexual attraction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Mokuba


    If my wife had maintained a such a massive lie for so long, I would be out the door, no question. Despicable behaviour.

    You are that boys father, blood or no blood, and I think that he deserves to know the truth, but I also that you should continue to be there for him - even if it is difficult. He did you no wrong.

    As for your wife, consider how little respect she must have for you to lie for almost 2 decades about such a life changing piece of information. She lied every day to get you to financially and emotionally support her and somebody else's child for 2 decades. Let that sink in.

    Would you have stayed if you had known the truth? Maybe, maybe not. But she took that choice away from you when she lied to you. Your entire life with her is based on a lie. I think you need to seriously re-evaluate your relationship with her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Did your wife want to wait for marriage to have full intercourse or was that your idea? I would have thought she would be pressuring you into sex if she was trying to "catch" you.

    It does show that she has a very devious and self centred nature. Personally it would be a deal breaker for me.

    As for your son, he's your son and always will be. He needs to know for medical reasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    Telling your son now will through him of the end of his world, is he in collage or starting a career it's not a great time to tell him he will be peed off with both of ye especially his mother and could go off the rails altogether. this is serious and not an easy dessison to make.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    kerryjack wrote: »
    Telling your son now will through him of the end of his world, is he in collage or starting a career it's not a great time to tell him he will be peed off with both of ye especially his mother and could go off the rails altogether. this is serious and not an easy dessison to make.

    A good point, if he's at a pivotal stage of his life best to hold off telling him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Perhaps. You will see from my initial posts that I am very sympathetic to the op's situation.

    It was simply a question replying to the biological input by another poster.

    I disagree that 19 is too young to need to know family medical history but perhaps this thread is the wrong place and timing for that discussion for which I apologise

    I've had doctors ask about my children "is there anything like XXX in the family". Never too early to know as in some cases (e.g. congenital conditions) it could literally be fatal with the wrong treatment or ruled out because of supposed genetics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Talk to your wife before you talk to your son. What if it was incest or rape... you don't want to dump such news on him before you have a chance to really think it through in your own head.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    professore wrote:
    I've had doctors ask about my children "is there anything like XXX in the family". Never too early to know as in some cases (e.g. congenital conditions) it could literally be fatal with the wrong treatment or ruled out because of supposed genetics.

    The biological father has no legal obligation to share his medical history even if they were to track him down I don't think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Hi OP

    Now that you know, how do you feel about your wife?

    Do you forgive her, or do you think you could?

    You need to talk with her honestly and openly. Is there any mediation while you're working out the terms of your separation?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    The biological father has no legal obligation to share his medical history even if they were to track him down I don't think.

    That's crazy. So much for children's welfare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    I agree with the people who have suggested you be careful with the timing of when you tell your son. It's the sort of revelation that is going to rock him to his core and cause him an enormous amount of distress. He's no longer going to be the person he thought he was and the anger, questions and upset he's going to experience are nothing to be sniffed at. His very identity is up for grabs, as is the knowledge that one if not two of his parents have been lying to him for all these years. I wonder would it be worth finding a good counsellor for him before you tell him?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭FriendsEV


    Somethings are better left unsaid and I really believe that

    I wouldn't tell your son OP

    Nothing good will come from it

    Your relationship will never be the same

    You raised him from a helpless little baby to a young man, he probably worships you, why destroy that?

    You have the truth for yourself, keep it that way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    he deserves to know and chances are he probably think something is up even subconsciously. you were hugely robbed op , when i look at my kids when they pull one face i see my mother when they pull another i see my grandad. what your wife did is unforgivable

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    The OP knew all along and should have got this sorted a long time ago but was prepared to play happy familys and turned a blind eye to it yes his wife knows as well and this secret is killing her as well the OP should tell his wife yes I know but his my son now and make a decision than big mistake for OP to get test done he should have left things be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It sounds like you were naive but she was extremely dishonest. It sounds like she used you as the ‘safe’ option and the bad sex life seems like she wasn’t that interested.

    How important is your bloodline to you and your family? How are they going to react? The fact that you didn’t have anymore kids means she effectively ended your bloodline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Hi OP,

    You said that you took one DNA sample when the child was 7 and he's 19 now so an extra year or so won't make any difference in the grand scheme of things, don't do anything in haste.

    If it were me my thought process would be to get as much information about the biological father as possible. This will probably get slated here but is the guy someone worthy to be introduced in your sons life if it came to it? Does he have offspring that would be related to your lad? I think your dealing with a lot of variables here that need to be clarified and that would make the decision a bit easier.

    Unfortunately the above answers will have to come from your wife so I don't see any way around not having a conversation about it with her. And just for the record, she definitely knew the whole time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    If it were me my thought process would be to get as much information about the biological father as possible. This will probably get slated here but is the guy someone worthy to be introduced in your sons life if it came to it? Does he have offspring that would be related to your lad? I think your dealing with a lot of variables here that need to be clarified and that would make the decision a bit easier.

    I also considered the above when reading through the thread, however ultimately every child/person should have the right to know who their biological parents are.

    Firstly as many have already stated, you need to discuss this with your wife and be firm with what you believe to be true. I would also agree that she has always known you are not your sons biological father so in ways it it a chance for her to come clean and take a weight off her shoulders.

    It's also worth considering that the biological father may want absolutely nothing to do with his biological son but that is not something anyone can control.

    Secrets breed dishonesty and cause hurt, you owe it your son to be honest with him and give him the facts. I've no doubt it will be confusing for him and it will likely be difficult for a while but you sound like you've a good solid relationship with him which will hopefully help.

    Wishing you all the best


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    blacklilly wrote:
    It's also worth considering that the biological father may want absolutely nothing to do with his biological son but that is not something anyone can control.

    He may also refuse a DNA test completely if he wants to deny paternity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭MissShihTzu


    He may also refuse a DNA test completely if he wants to deny paternity.


    The point of the DNA is to rule out the OP as the biological father. So the OP, the mother and the son will have to present for the test. IF the test is taken properly and the OP is right? Then the mother and son will then be free to trace the father or not as they please.


    As I've previously stated. If the OP is proven not to be the father, then it should not and must not change the relationship with the son. The OP brought him up. He IS the father. No matter what the test might say.


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