Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

prettyboy81 · 21-07-2018 02:29PM

Can Bottas deliver for Merc???? Make some trouble for Vettel & Kimi.

Inviere · 21-07-2018 02:40PM

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Can Bottas deliver for Merc???? Make some trouble for Vettel & Kimi.

Nope

chicorytip · 21-07-2018 07:35PM

muckwarrior wrote:

No loss. While he can be quick on his day, at this stage it's clear he doesn't have the consistency or composure to ever be a champion.

I think he would make a perfect fit for Ferrari. In terms of ability and pace he is at least the equal of, let's call them, the second tier of drivers on the grid. He would deliver better results than Raikkonen is currently doing without threatening the dominant leadership position of Vettel. Leclerc should either remain where he is or switch to Haas.

skipper_G · 21-07-2018 08:39PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I think he would make a perfect fit for Ferrari. In terms of ability and pace he is at least the equal of, let's call them, the second tier of drivers on the grid. He would deliver better results than Raikkonen is currently doing without threatening the dominant leadership position of Vettel. Leclerc should either remain where he is or switch to Haas.

You're talking about Grosjean? After the season he's had you really think he would make a good Ferrari number 2. That's madness, he's at risk of losing his seat at Haas because he's been so inconsistent

vectra · 21-07-2018 09:50PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I think he would make a perfect fit for Ferrari. In terms of ability and pace he is at least the equal of, let's call them, the second tier of drivers on the grid. He would deliver better results than Raikkonen is currently doing without threatening the dominant leadership position of Vettel. Leclerc should either remain where he is or switch to Haas.

Show us some evidence you have to back this up.
Pure speculation,

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 21-07-2018 10:03PM

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chicorytip · 21-07-2018 11:45PM

skipper_G wrote:

You're talking about Grosjean? After the season he's had you really think he would make a good Ferrari number 2. That's madness, he's at risk of losing his seat at Haas because he's been so inconsistent

vectra wrote:

Show us some evidence you have to back this up. Pure speculation,

You have to look at his career in it's entirety. He has been consistently quick in mostly uncompetetive teams but has this undeserved reputation for recklessness on track. All drivers have eccentric moments which result in collisions. I think Raikkonen should announce his retirement and exit with a measure of dignity. He has certainly enjoyed a long innings.

chicorytip · 21-07-2018 11:57PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote:

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Not a chance. Marchionne had long since decided on a change and the new guy in charge Elikann - formerly deputy CEO - is highly likely to follow through on that decision so Kimi either quits or gets dropped. No other team is going to employ a thirty nine year old driver. It's becoming a teenagers game now.

skipper_G · 22-07-2018 12:32AM

chicorytip wrote: »

You have to look at his career in it's entirety. He has been consistently quick in mostly uncompetetive teams but has this undeserved reputation for recklessness on track. All drivers have eccentric moments which result in collisions. I think Raikkonen should announce his retirement and exit with a measure of dignity. He has certainly enjoyed a long innings.

His recent performances are more important than anything he's done in the last decade. And by those standards he's not up to much, Grosjean has scored points in 1 race out of 10 this season, KMag in the same car has scored in 6. That says enough

vectra · 22-07-2018 02:15AM

chicorytip wrote: »

Not a chance. Marchionne had long since decided on a change and the new guy in charge Elikann - formerly deputy CEO - is highly likely to follow through on that decision so Kimi either quits or gets dropped. No other team is going to employ a thirty nine year old driver. It's becoming a teenagers game now.

Strange how you make out Kimi is that bad while running third in a close battle.

Frank Bullitt · 22-07-2018 04:00PM

vectra wrote: »

Strange how you make out Kimi is that bad while running third in a close battle.

Thats sort of Kimis form these days though, close but not close enough. Team orders today for him wouldn't be good for the morale either.

flazio · 22-07-2018 04:06PM

Hearing the rumbles of thunder got me wondering, we're used to thinking of closed cars as Faraday cages in the event of lightning storms but what about Formula 1 and Formula E cars? In the event of electrical faults you see the drivers have to literally jump away from their cars. Do races have to be abandoned if there is lightning nearby.

donspeekinglesh · 22-07-2018 04:14PM

flazio wrote: »

Hearing the rumbles of thunder got me wondering, we're used to thinking of closed cars as Faraday cages in the event of lightning storms but what about Formula 1 and Formula E cars? In the event of electrical faults you see the drivers have to literally jump away from their cars. Do races have to be abandoned if there is lightning nearby.

Well they should be because the medical helicopter can't fly.

vectra · 22-07-2018 05:01PM

Just wondering,
how come Hamilton was not penalized today for his pit entry fcuk up ?

Frank Bullitt · 22-07-2018 05:05PM

vectra wrote: »

Just wondering,
how come Hamilton was not penalized today for his pit entry fcuk up ?

This thread on twitter clears it up, he didnt break any rules.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1021048404175147009

chicorytip · 22-07-2018 05:06PM

vectra wrote:

Strange how you make out Kimi is that bad while running third in a close battle.

I like Kimi as a driver but it would be a shame to see him forced into retirement by not having his contract renewed rather than just stopping in a dignified manner like Button or Rosberg did. He has enjoyed a very long, successful and lucrative career but his performances overall in his second stint at Ferrari do not justify his retention in the team.

Inviere · 22-07-2018 05:11PM

vectra wrote: »

Just wondering,
how come Hamilton was not penalized today for his pit entry fcuk up ?

No rules were broken. Plus "his" pit lane error, did you hear how bad the communication was at the time? Mercedes are lucky he bailed when he did.

JPF82 · 22-07-2018 05:37PM

Inviere wrote: »

No rules were broken. Plus "his" pit lane error, did you hear how bad the communication was at the time? Mercedes are lucky he bailed when he did.

Called to stewards now so I reckon a 5 second penalty on the way which is a pity after a strong drive. The radio was pure panic at the time so no wonder he was confused.

vectra · 22-07-2018 07:36PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I like Kimi as a driver but it would be a shame to see him forced into retirement by not having his contract renewed rather than just stopping in a dignified manner like Button or Rosberg did. He has enjoyed a very long, successful and lucrative career but his performances overall in his second stint at Ferrari do not justify his retention in the team.

As bad as you may think he is.
1)
he had to step aside today as strangely enough Vettel was unable to pass him.
That initslef say a lot for his speed and ability.

2)
he is now only 40 points behind Vettel so I feel he deserves a fair crack at the championship.

Inviere wrote: »

No rules were broken. Plus "his" pit lane error, did you hear how bad the communication was at the time? Mercedes are lucky he bailed when he did.

I think you may be wrong there

Inviere · 22-07-2018 07:40PM

vectra wrote: »

strangely enough Vettel was unable to pass him.

I feel Seb was reluctant to get super close so as to protect his tires, as opposed to driving in dirty air. That said, I think Kimi done very well today.

I think you may be wrong there

Indeed

I was basing that on the image posted denoting the pit entry with a line/arrow going to it

Frank Bullitt · 22-07-2018 08:13PM

vectra wrote: »

As bad as you may think he is.
1)
he had to step aside today as strangely enough Vettel was unable to pass him.
That initslef say a lot for his speed and ability.

2)
he is now only 40 points behind Vettel so I feel he deserves a fair crack at the championship.

I think you may be wrong there

The nature of these F1 cars now, once you get within a certain distance the DF just vanishes and you ruin your tires. Leaving him behind Kimi was a bad move and Ferrari were lazy in making that call.

Kimi is not showing speed over Vettel, he never has done during their partnership at Ferrari, Vettel is (and will be) the teams number 1, he is there best shot at the championship. You may feel he deserves it, but he isn't a match for Vettel.

vectra · 22-07-2018 08:25PM

Gintonious wrote: »

The nature of these F1 cars now, once you get within a certain distance the DF just vanishes and you ruin your tires. Leaving him behind Kimi was a bad move and Ferrari were lazy in making that call.

Kimi is not showing speed over Vettel, he never has done during their partnership at Ferrari, Vettel is (and will be) the teams number 1, he is there best shot at the championship. You may feel he deserves it, but he isn't a match for Vettel.

Nonsense.

How many cars did Hamilton and Vettel overtake over the past few races?
If Kimi is as bad as people make himout to be and Vettel is as good as people make him out to be then there should have been no need for team orders.
If what you say was true then it would be a procession from start to finish.

Burkie1203 · 22-07-2018 08:43PM

vectra wrote: »

Nonsense.

How many cars did Hamilton and Vettel overtake over the past few races?
If Kimi is as bad as people make himout to be and Vettel is as good as people make him out to be then there should have been no need for team orders.
If what you say was true then it would be a procession from start to finish.

Hamilton and Vettel were by and large passing cars about 25% poorer then their cars. There is 2 clear divisions in f1 now. Ferrari and Merc and then the rest. Red bull only have a hope in about half the races

Top Dog · 22-07-2018 10:52PM

chicorytip wrote: »

but his performances overall in his second stint at Ferrari do not justify his retention in the team.

He's third in the championship behind two clear team number 1 drivers. What more do you want from him? So he hasn't won in a long time, but he's been on the podium 28 times since his last win so he's pretty darn consistent all the same.

I like Kimi for his not-giving-a-f**k attitude, wouldn't go so far as to call myself a fan, but I don't understand why people are constantly running him and his efforts down when its there for all to see that he's right up the top end of the table.

mickdw · 22-07-2018 11:40PM

Kimi is certainly good enough to retain his seat. THey don't want any more from a number 2 really.
He is doing very well this season, always on the podium and if given a fair crack at race strategyetc could easily be winning races.
The one area that he is not getting it done is in quali - Too many errors when it counts.

vectra · 23-07-2018 12:35AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Hamilton and Vettel were by and large passing cars about 25% poorer then their cars. There is 2 clear divisions in f1 now. Ferrari and Merc and then the rest. Red bull only have a hope in about half the races

Well,
Some people try to find a logical reason for everything that suits them,
We best leave it at that.

Burkie1203 · 23-07-2018 07:24AM

vectra wrote: »

Well,
Some people try to find a logical reason for everything that suits them,
We best leave it at that.

It's true tho. How many times did commentators in recent races mention that Hamilton wasn't their fight. Even drivers have mentionned it. Ocon (?) practically stopped at the side of the road in Monaco to let Hamilton through at one stage. It's not real racing.

Burkie1203 · 23-07-2018 08:55AM

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1021299847368986624?s=19

vectra · 23-07-2018 08:57AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

It's true tho. How many times did commentators in recent races mention that Hamilton wasn't their fight. Even drivers have mentionned it. Ocon (?) practically stopped at the side of the road in Monaco to let Hamilton through at one stage. It's not real racing.

So you think passing a red bull is a simple matter?

Frank Bullitt · 23-07-2018 09:22AM

vectra wrote: »

Nonsense.

How many cars did Hamilton and Vettel overtake over the past few races?
If Kimi is as bad as people make himout to be and Vettel is as good as people make him out to be then there should have been no need for team orders.
If what you say was true then it would be a procession from start to finish.

You are living in blissful ignorance of the current state of F1 if you use that comparison. The Merc and Ferrari are the clear top their teams in F1, team orders are the name of the game, and when its your No.1 driver being held up by the No.2 you give them their orders to move. The advantage a Ferrari would have over a Force India would be much bigger than that over the slower Ferrari, it was on display that once you get near enough to the car in front that is still on relative pace to the same car, the tires get destroyed.

So you think passing a red bull is a simple matter?

Easy to pass Ricciardo when he is parked up, and yes, at the track yesterday Red Bull were nowhere near the pace of Ferrari or Mercedes. RB have done well at circuits when there have been safety cars, tracks that aren't power sensitive or when other cars drop out.

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