Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 10:28AM

astradave wrote: »

Me personally as I have said I’ve no problem with Woodward whatsoever up to now anyways, more certain posters stating as fact that he has delivered all the top targets to managers.

Sure I doubt Fred was the top target, imo Savic was but the price for him is utterly ridiculous, so we moved straight on and bought Fred

We were interested in Fred and was reported in Jan. Savic was nothing but loose paper talk. No one will buy him for quoted price and Italian and Spanish papers have this habit of using ManUtd number to drum up interest.

Savic signing won't even make any sense with Pogba in the team.

bangkok · 17-07-2018 10:33AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

On transfers yes, on the business, marketinf and sponsorship side no. There has been plenty written on this topic and Woodward's lack of transfer experience has often been questioned.

On Falcao, clearly he cost the club serious money on wages.

Edit: and on Bale, if we wanted him we shud have approached his people months before. Throwing in a bid when another top club has all the work done is amateurish

Make your mind up.

You said in your last post woodward is penny pinching, now you are saying falcao cost the club serious money in wages...

Which is it?

Adamocovic · 17-07-2018 10:36AM

Considering the calibre or players we've brought in and the amount of them I don't see how Woodward can get too much criticism in regards to transfers, but then again that's just me.

A lot of the players have underperformed but at the time of signing them people were ecstatic. He may not get every single player we want or the manager wants but players and clubs are entitled to turn offers down.

When you look at clubs the likes of Arsenal who have been frustrated so much with the lack of transfers, and then compare it to us who of late every window sees a big name signing I can't see how we can complain too much about him. He's bringing in the players, now it's up to them and management to bring in results.

Notable Signings during Woodwards reign:
1. Fellaini
2. Mata
3. Herrera
4. Shaw
5. Rojo
6. Di Maria
7. Blind
8. Timothy Fosu-Mensah
9. Memphis Depay
10. Darmian
11. Schweinsteiger
12. Schneiderlin
13. Romero
14. Martial
15. Bailly
16. Ibrahimovic
17. Mkhitaryan
18. Pogba
19. Lindelof
20. Lukaku
21. Matic
22. Sanchez

You can argue how well some of these worked out (Memphis, Schneiderlin, DiMaria etc) but at the time of signing, people were very excited thinking we had just brought in a great player, or potentially great. What happened after I don't put on Woodward.

Trigger · 17-07-2018 10:37AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

We were interested in Fred and was reported in Jan. Savic was nothing but loose paper talk. No one will buy him for quoted price and Italian and Spanish papers have this habit of using ManUtd number to drum up interest.

Savic signing won't even make any sense with Pogba in the team.

It’s just in my opinion, from watching the media/links. There were links by reputable journalists to Savic last year, obviously we purchased Fred so it backs up articles but they were also “loose paper talk” by all accounts City were closer to signing Fred but couldn’t get the deal done in January, and were linked in the lead up to the summer.

They put it out, like they do whenever they miss out on a player, that they were priced out of a move. Bull**** obviously and the same with Jorginho. I do think while there was links to him he wasn’t our top midfield target.

Also Savic is the same style of player as Fred, they are both box to box players.

bangkok · 17-07-2018 10:41AM

astradave wrote: »

It’s just in my opinion, from watching the media/links. There were links by reputable journalists to Savic last year, obviously we purchased Fred so it backs up articles but they were also “loose paper talk” by all accounts City were closer to signing Fred but couldn’t get the deal done in January, and were linked in the lead up to the summer.

They put it out, like they do whenever they miss out on a player, that they were priced out of a move. Bull**** obviously and the same with Jorginho. I do think while there was links to him he wasn’t our top midfield target.

Also Savic is the same style of player as Fred, they are both box to box players.

Reading the media last year it looked clear we were after morata when in fact we wanted lukaku and signed him out of no where.

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 10:41AM

astradave wrote: »

It’s just in my opinion, from watching the media/links. There were links by reputable journalists to Savic last year, obviously we purchased Fred so it backs up articles but they were also “loose paper talk” by all accounts City were closer to signing Fred but couldn’t get the deal done in January, and were linked in the lead up to the summer.

They put it out, like they do whenever they miss out on a player, that they were priced out of a move. Bull**** obviously and the same with Jorginho. I do think while there was links to him he wasn’t our top midfield target.

Also Savic is the same style of player as Fred, they are both box to box players.

City made bid in Jan but was rejected as Shakhtar were in CL.

I disagree with Fred and Savic playing style. Fred plays deeper role, Savic played most of the season in very advanced position. Completely different style and role. Fred is the go to man to pass the ball for GK or CB, Savic is the go to man in the attacking zone.

Lord TSC · 17-07-2018 10:42AM

astradave wrote: »

I have no doubt that Real will go all in for Hazard if the get Courtois, especially after what Courtois said to the media, I’d say he was given assurances that they were

Oh Astra, I love when you speak dirty to me :pac:

Fascinated by Chelsea this summer actually. Their managerial change was an utter ****show, even by their standards. But usually where you know they'll do well is that when they rotate managers, the new one coming in has a brilliant frame work to work with, and the players pick up their heads and plough forward again. But losing CL football, AND losing Hazard, would be a tough blow for them. The overhaul of their team this year will be interesting, and Sarri will need to be some level of manager to get that upswing going again.

astradave wrote: »

Sure I doubt Fred was the top target, imo Savic was but the price for him is utterly ridiculous, so we moved straight on and bought Fred, I’d actually have that as decent business decision

I'm thinking back to Sokratis' agent (father?) after he joined Arsenal a few weeks back; he said that United were interested too, but that we asked him to wait till the end of July, and they weren't willing to do that. Makes it sound like we had informed him we were interested, but not as first choice.

I'd imagine there's others on our radar who got similiar messages, and who we can move onto quickly when we give up on our first tier targets. My only surprise is I feel we usually move on a bit quicker. So I'm wondering...

* Are we still negotiating with our first tier cause they are available but other factors have slowed things down
* Are we already struggling on our second tier and soon moving to third tier?

I'm hoping the former; any players from any team that went deep into the WC might have slowed down (Alderweild, Mandy, etc), maybe the likes of Bale waiting till he talks to the new manager, or someone from a team looking to secure a replacement first.

There's, what, three weeks left?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 17-07-2018 10:43AM

bangkok wrote: »

Make your mind up.

You said in your last post woodward is penny pinching, now you are saying falcao cost the club serious money in wages...

Which is it?

If only life was as black and white as you paint it.

We've penny-pinched on some transfers and overpaid on Rooney contract and Falcao wages. You can do both you know. It isn't one or the other.

You're saying the man is a genius yet United's need for a Director of Football to sort out transfers and scouting has often come up in the media.

brinty · 17-07-2018 10:44AM

JaMarcus wrote: »

Hard to see where our next signing is going to come from tbh.

Sandro - Easy to see him choosing PSG as he has an abundance of Brazilian teammates waiting for him in Paris. - PSG have baulked at Juve's price too, so Sandro isn't going anywhere
Bonucci - I'd be shocked if he left Italy at this stage of his career. AC Milan in dire straights and not in Europe. Bonucci in his early 30's so maybe he would consider a new league
Alderweireld - Agreeing a fee with Spurs will be near impossible.Alderweireld wants out, difficult to agree a fee for sure but for once think we hold the crads over Levy.. but knowing him he'd hold Alderweireld rather than get a transfer fee now
Bale - Not happening. No Ronaldo, new manager, he'll be the main man for Madrid which is why he moved there in the first place. Bale will be out if Real get either or both of Mbappe and Neymar And Hazard is widely tipped for a move here too. Madrid will want a mega signing after losing Ronaldo and Bale will be in that persons shadow. He will never be the main man at madrid and his failure to learn and converse in Spanish is widely known to have jettisoned him from the squad
Perisic - Couldn't agree a fee last year, can't see us agreeing a fee this year given he signed a new contract and has a World Cup "good performance" tax hanging over him now too. Also Inter back in the CL doesn't help. Plus Mourinho has hinted that it was Perisic's decision not to join us last year too. Maybe so but you'd never know
Willian - Hard to see him picking us over Barcelona. Has worked for JOse beofre so if a deal is to be done, better the devil you know in Jose than Barca.. but we'll wait and see

Who else have we been linked to? Any other left backs, or any backup strikers?

Other left back Kieran Tierney has been suggested but you'd never know. Mandzukic as a back up striker has also been mooted.

Then there's links to Savic-Milijncovic, Rebic, and Griezemann is the elephant in the room per Reddit.

bangkok · 17-07-2018 10:48AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

If only life was as black and white as you paint it.

We've penny-pinched on some transfers and overpaid on Rooney contract and Falcao wages. You can do both you know. It isn't one or the other.

You're saying the man is a genius yet United's need for a Director of Football to sort out transfers and scouting has often come up in the media.

Smashed the world transfer record on pogba.

Spent half a billion on transfers under woodward.

Some penny pincher alright

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 17-07-2018 10:52AM

bangkok wrote: »

Smashed the world transfer record on pogba.

Spent half a billion on transfers under woodward.

Some penny pincher alright

Article on Mourinho frustration on United trying to get deals done on the cheap.

https://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-frustrated-at-man-united-penny-pinching

I'm done anyway. I have to leave this discussion to conclude some transfer business.

Crimson King · 17-07-2018 10:55AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Article on Mourinho frustration on United trying to get deals done on the cheap.

https://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-frustrated-at-man-united-penny-pinching

I'm done anyway. I have to leave this discussion to conclude some transfer business.

Took me some time to realise the article was from last summer. I need more coffee.

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 10:55AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Article on Mourinho frustration on United trying to get deals done on the cheap.

https://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-frustrated-at-man-united-penny-pinching

I'm done anyway. I have to leave this discussion to conclude some transfer business.

If you read the article, Jose got all the players except Perisic.

Getting transfers done doesn't depend on buying club alone. We signed Lukaku before pre season and matic was signed after Chelsea signed Bakayoko.

As Mullock reports:

‘Mourinho has made it clear that he needs a minimum of four top-class recruits if he is going to have a realistic tilt at the title.’

So not signing Perisic made sure that our title race was done by november end.

bangkok · 17-07-2018 10:55AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Article on Mourinho frustration on United trying to get deals done on the cheap.

https://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-frustrated-at-man-united-penny-pinching

I'm done anyway. I have to leave this discussion to conclude some transfer business.

Mourinho wanted eric dier. We signed matic instead. I know who i would have wanted there. That article was also written before transfer window was even finished last season

Cantona's Collars · 17-07-2018 11:07AM

Normally there's something on the United transfer gossip every morning,not a peep of even a tenuous link. It could mean that the media have been briefed that some big announcement is on the way and to say nothing until then or that the journos with any credibility are taking a break after the World Cup.

Cotts72 · 17-07-2018 11:09AM

Im seriously hoping these rebic rumours are world cup rumours and nothing else! Saw nothing in him that impressed me. Being linked with bale and ending up with rebic would be very underwhelming

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 17-07-2018 11:10AM

Not getting Perisic or a right-sided player was a killer last year.

City seem to get their business done with a minimum of fuss, granted they throwing money at it but they've got a distinct vision with a DOF. United have been all over the place with three different managers with different visions, something Gary Neville has often referred to. Woodward has been the constant and maybe he should have appointed somebody more experienced in football to help out or at least suggested to the Glazers that they do the same.

Liverpool's scouting is superior to ours and they've gotten some class players for good money and, for example, got Fabinho done before it was even rumoured. Again, Woodward can surely see this.

I can only say the same thing so often. Mourinho has been frustrated at the pace of United's transfer dealings. He wanted deals done quickly so he could have players for pre-season last year and deals took too long or didn't happen. This season i hope we conclude what we're doing soon.

Woodward isnt a football man, has done some very good things (increasing revenue) but has made serious mistakes too due to his lack of experience in football dealings over businesss ones. He's definitely not a genius, business maybe, certainly not football.

How this window concludes will be interesting but currently nobody here would be happy if this is all we do transfer wise. Allowing for a WC delay, we're playing serious catch-up on City so we'd want to get our skates on.

Done now.

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 11:34AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Not getting Perisic or a right-sided player was a killer last year.

City seem to get their business done with a minimum of fuss, granted they throwing money at it but they've got a distinct vision with a DOF. United have been all over the place with three different managers with different visions, something Gary Neville has often referred to. Woodward has been the constant and maybe he should have appointed somebody more experienced in football to help out or at least suggested to the Glazers that they do the same.

Liverpool's scouting is superior to ours and they've gotten some class players for good money and, for example, got Fabinho done before it was even rumoured. Again, Woodward can surely see this.

I can only say the same thing so often. Mourinho has been frustrated at the pace of United's transfer dealings. He wanted deals done quickly so he could have players for pre-season last year and deals took too long or didn't happen. This season i hope we conclude what we're doing soon.

Woodward isnt a football man, has done some very good things (increasing revenue) but has made serious mistakes too due to his lack of experience in football dealings over businesss ones. He's definitely not a genius, business maybe, certainly not football.

How this window concludes will be interesting but currently nobody here would be happy if this is all we do transfer wise. Allowing for a WC delay, we're playing serious catch-up on City so we'd want to get our skates on.

Done now.

How can Woodward sign RW when Jose didn't want one? He wanted 4 players, we signed 3 and couldn't sign Perisic as they wanted Martial in any deal.

Not signing Perisic isn't even big deal. He is inconsistent winger, we have Martial who had good season before was dropped for no reason.

City conclude deals with minimal fuss? Is this when we start to rewrite history? Tried to sign Laporte, ended up signing new contract and City leaked to press saying they wanted him as LB
They wanted to sign Sanchez, Fred, Jorginho and missed all 3.

Liverpool also made mess of transfers and had to apologise. Also they don't have better scouts, they have good manager who brings best out of the players.

Forgetting all the negatives of other clubs and forgetting all the positives of our club is not the way to judge things.

Re bold part, repeating same thing again and again won't make it true. We signed 2 out of 3 players before pre season and third signing was entirely on Chelsea as they had to sign replacement.

Woodward isn't a football man as he doesn't make decisions for himself, but he is more than good enough for coaches as he signs the players coaches wants.

Cantona's Collars · 17-07-2018 11:36AM

https://twitter.com/AFCAjax/status/1019163355507056641

Trigger · 17-07-2018 11:41AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AFCAjax/status/1019163355507056641

Jaysus you would swear he was Ronaldo to them :pac:

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 11:42AM

astradave wrote: »

Jaysus you would swear he was Ronaldo to them :pac:

He won league's best player award when he left, so yeah. He should take them to next level.

Cotts72 · 17-07-2018 12:17PM

Alderweireld speaking out on spurs benching him last season, referring to it as 'unjustified' wonder is this him startung to push for a mufc move

inforfun · 17-07-2018 12:26PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

He won league's best player award when he left, so yeah. He should take them to next level.

No, he won't. He cant hide behind anyone else now with this transfer fee and salary around his neck

Dutch transfer record broken as it comes to an incoming transfer
Add to that an, as they described it, English salary.
All that for Daley Blind is lunacy.

They did well getting Tadic but this one is just to keep the fans quiet after 4 years of winning absolutely nothing.

Fair play to Woodward though. Getting back what they paid for him

pjohnson · 17-07-2018 12:30PM

From Blind's twitter.

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 12:32PM

inforfun wrote: »

No, he won't. He cant hide behind anyone else now with this transfer fee and salary around his neck

Dutch transfer record broken as it comes to an incoming transfer
Add to that an, as they described it, English salary.
All that for Daley Blind is lunacy.

They did well getting Tadic but this one is just to keep the fans quiet after 4 years of winning absolutely nothing.

Fair play to Woodward though. Getting back what they paid for him

Read he will play as CB, he was superb playing for ManUtd under Van Gaal, don't think it should be any problem playing in Dutch league as CB.

Also haven't read anything on wages, how much is he earning? Is it more than Tadic?

bangkok · 17-07-2018 12:34PM

inforfun wrote: »

No, he won't. He cant hide behind anyone else now with this transfer fee and salary around his neck

Dutch transfer record broken as it comes to an incoming transfer
Add to that an, as they described it, English salary.
All that for Daley Blind is lunacy.

They did well getting Tadic but this one is just to keep the fans quiet after 4 years of winning absolutely nothing.

Fair play to Woodward though. Getting back what they paid for him

Hide? When did he hide at united?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 17-07-2018 12:37PM

Actually blame Jose

We get Jones, Madrid get Varane

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/raphael-varane-could-been-manchester-12934700.amp?__twitter_impression=true

inforfun · 17-07-2018 12:41PM

bangkok wrote: »

Hide? When did he hide at united?

He plays like his dad did. Always manages to position himself in a way that when **** goes wrong, it always looks like someone else is to blame.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Read he will play as CB, he was superb playing for ManUtd under Van Gaal, don't think it should be any problem playing in Dutch league as CB.

Also haven't read anything on wages, how much is he earning? Is it more than Tadic?

Salaries are never made public in The Netherlands.
Only reason the transfer fee is public, is because Ajax is at the stock exchange.
It was Ajax themselves describing it as an "English\PL" salary. You would do extremely well earning over €1,5 million in the Eredivisie. And that wouldnt be called "English"

Ajax can afford it, but if you are going to spend that kind of money, dont come up with Daley Blind.

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 12:49PM

inforfun wrote: »

Salaries are never made public in The Netherlands.
Only reason the transfer fee is public, is because Ajax is at the stock exchange.
It was Ajax themselves describing it as an "English\PL" salary. You would do extremely well earning over €1,5 million in the Eredvisie.

Ajax can afford it, but if you are going to spend that kind of money, dont come up with Daley Blind.

Well it's either unproven kids from elsewhere or washed up players, don't think players in their peak would move to Dutch league if they are good .

JaMarcus · 17-07-2018 12:52PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Well it's either unproven kids from elsewhere or washed up players, don't think players in their peak would move to Dutch league if they are good .

...or bang average players like Blind who aren't good enough for the big leagues.

Personally, I think Ajax are crazy to be bringing him back for more than they got for him first time around.

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