Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

bangkok · 17-07-2018 09:11AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Oh, you think all the players we signed were first choices and priorities? Fair enough, i'll leave you to it.

Do you know something we all dont??

Backstreet Moyes · 17-07-2018 09:28AM

bangkok wrote: »

Do you know something we all dont??

Do you unless you are involved at united you have no way of knowing if the managers got everyone they wanted.

Cantona's Collars · 17-07-2018 09:31AM

Looks like we'll see an announcement very soon that Madrid have signed Courtois, I posted before that it was a done deal. Maybe De Gea had a poor WC on purpose.

Liam McPoyle · 17-07-2018 09:31AM

astradave wrote: »

Why so?

I just ment in a broader sense eg playing style, man management etc rather than transfer specific criticism.

KH25 · 17-07-2018 09:42AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Looks like we'll see an announcement very soon that Madrid have signed Courtois, I posted before that it was a done deal. Maybe De Gea had a poor WC on purpose.

Clever lad our Dave ðŸ˜

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 17-07-2018 09:47AM

bangkok wrote: »

And he had delivered on every player mourinho wanted apart from perisic last summer. Signed all the players van gaal wanted as well

Van Gaal said he asked for high profile players and didn't get them

https://www.football365.com/news/van-gaal-disappointed-in-certain-human-beings-at-united

“I asked many, many times for players of the highest quality. But I didn’t get the players I wanted.

bangkok · 17-07-2018 09:51AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Van Gaal said he asked for high profile players and didn't get them

https://www.football365.com/news/van-gaal-disappointed-in-certain-human-beings-at-united

“I asked many, many times for players of the highest quality. But I didn’t get the players I wanted.

Van gaal though thomas muller was high quality and bayern wanted 80m for him!!

jayo26 · 17-07-2018 09:52AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Looks like we'll see an announcement very soon that Madrid have signed Courtois, I posted before that it was a done deal. Maybe De Gea had a poor WC on purpose.

Said it ages ago I genuinely believe de gea lost interest in Madrid after the fax machine fiasco. He completely changed attitude and everyrhing after that and has never looked like he has had his head turned since.

Trigger · 17-07-2018 10:00AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Van Gaal said he asked for high profile players and didn't get them

https://www.football365.com/news/van-gaal-disappointed-in-certain-human-beings-at-united

“I asked many, many times for players of the highest quality. But I didn’t get the players I wanted.

He wanted Kroos didn’t he, in fairness I doubt Kroos was going anywhere, there is plenty of instances that the top target is just ungettable but that in itself is saying that he didn’t get all the top targets. But I would not exactly say that it’s a negative thing on Woodward, more that you truly cannot say that he delivered all of the managers top targets.

bangkok · 17-07-2018 10:01AM

I actually cant believe some are critisising woodward. Our revenues are ridiculous, the club off the field is no1 in the world, record money streams, the man is a genius. The ronaldo/messi of the ceo world

paulbok · 17-07-2018 10:01AM

jayo26 wrote: »

Said it ages ago I genuinely believe de gea lost interest in Madrid after the fax machine fiasco. He completely changed attitude and everyrhing after that and has never looked like he has had his head turned since.

He still hasn't signed a new contract though.

jayo26 · 17-07-2018 10:04AM

paulbok wrote: »

He still hasn't signed a new contract though.

Fair point but still 2 years left? Think it's a year with an option?

I'd expect a deal to before end of this season at latest.

Whatsisname · 17-07-2018 10:05AM

astradave wrote: »

He wanted Kroos didn’t he, in fairness I doubt Kroos was going anywhere, there is plenty of instances that the top target is just ungettable but that in itself is saying that he didn’t get all the top targets. But I would not exactly say that it’s a negative thing on Woodward, more that you truly cannot say that he delivered all of the managers top targets.

Didn't Moyes get a deal agreed for Kroos as he was leaving Bayern and LVG pulled the plug on it?

Lord TSC · 17-07-2018 10:06AM

If Curtois ends up at Real, I'd be surprised if DDG doesn't sign a new contract pretty quickly.

Be great news for us though; not just keeping DDG, but Chelsea losing Curtois AND battling it out with Pool for a top keeper.

Cantona's Collars · 17-07-2018 10:08AM

astradave wrote: »

He wanted Kroos didn’t he, in fairness I doubt Kroos was going anywhere, there is plenty of instances that the top target is just ungettable but that in itself is saying that he didn’t get all the top targets. But I would not exactly say that it’s a negative thing on Woodward, more that you truly cannot say that he delivered all of the managers top targets.

You forgot to mention that maybe these top players looked at the style of play under LVG and thought "nope,that isn't for me".
Woodward could hardly have staged kidnappings and forced players to join the club when the football at the time was appalling.
I hate how people get their knickers in a twist because United didn't sign every £80-£100 million rated player in the world. It isn't PlayStation lads.

bangkok · 17-07-2018 10:09AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Didn't Moyes get a deal agreed for Kroos as he was leaving Bayern and LVG pulled the plug on it?

So reports said at the time. Not sure if id believe that though

brinty · 17-07-2018 10:09AM

So what has our source on Reddit to say for himself these days!!! Though some big deal was imminent??

Thank god i never buy into the bull and fantasy of some spoofer on reddit.. or even read it at all.

Anyways big Dave stays, that's good enough for me

On another topic do you think with Carrick retired that Jose might make an announcement of a new club captain.

Trigger · 17-07-2018 10:09AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

If Curtois ends up at Real, I'd be surprised if DDG doesn't sign a new contract pretty quickly.

Be great news for us though; not just keeping DDG, but Chelsea losing Curtois AND battling it out with Pool for a top keeper.

I have no doubt that Real will go all in for Hazard if the get Courtois, especially after what Courtois said to the media, I’d say he was given assurances that they were

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 17-07-2018 10:12AM

bangkok wrote: »

I actually cant believe some are critisising woodward. Our revenues are ridiculous, the club off the field is no1 in the world, record money streams, the man is a genius. The ronaldo/messi of the ceo world

We've not gotten some players we were apparently after under Woodward. Fabregas, Baines, Kroos. We've also made a few signings and you'd wonder if Woodward saw a good deal or the manager wanted them. Buying a crocked Falcao probably isn't a deal Madrid or Barca would have been messing around with.

Also gave Rooney a ridiculous contract when his star was fading. Made a seemingly pointless late bid for Bale when Madrid had their business done.

Woodward is an incredible businessman but his transfer dealings too often involve dithering and penny-pinching for top targets.

Trigger · 17-07-2018 10:12AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

You forgot to mention that maybe these top players looked at the style of play under LVG and thought "nope,that isn't for me".
Woodward could hardly have staged kidnappings and forced players to join the club when the football at the time was appalling.
I hate how people get their knickers in a twist because United didn't sign every £80-£100 million rated player in the world. It isn't PlayStation lads.

That’s my point I don’t blame woordward whatsoever as players are ungettable.. it’s just posts like “Woodward has delivered all the managers top targets”(paraphrasing) when clearly that’s not the case.

The only time I’ll criticise Woodward is if he doesn’t get deals done THIS summer, as it’s a shorter window and we need to strengthen to gain ground

Liam McPoyle · 17-07-2018 10:12AM

astradave wrote: »

I have no doubt that Real will go all in for Hazard if the get Courtois, especially after what Courtois said to the media, I’d say he was given assurances that they were

To see them lose arguably their best two players this window would be super.

Cantona's Collars · 17-07-2018 10:13AM

https://twitter.com/utdxtra/status/1019136282679828480

https://twitter.com/utdxtra/status/1019136434534600705

bangkok · 17-07-2018 10:16AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

We've not gotten some players we were apparently after under Woodward. Fabregas, Baines, Kroos. We've also made a few signings and you'd wonder if Woodward saw a good deal or the manager wanted them. Buying a crocked Falcao probably isn't a deal Madrid or Barca would have been messing around with.

Also gave Rooney a ridiculous contract when he star was fading. Made a seemingly pointless late bid for Bale when Madrid had their business done.

Woodward is an incredible businessman but he transfer dealings too often involve dithering and penny-pinching for top targets.

We didnt buy falcao...

The bale bid was genuine. No business is done until the player has signed the dotted line

There was more to the rooney contract than meets the eye. Nike had a big say if i remember correctly

Do you honestly think he is doing a poor job?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 17-07-2018 10:19AM

bangkok wrote: »

We didnt buy falcao...

The bale bid was genuine. No business is done until the player has signed the dotted line

There was more to the rooney contract than meets the eye. Nike had a big say if i remember correctly

Do you honestly think he is doing a poor job?

On transfers yes, on the business, marketinf and sponsorship side no. There has been plenty written on this topic and Woodward's lack of transfer experience has often been questioned.

On Falcao, clearly he cost the club serious money on wages.

Edit: and on Bale, if we wanted him we shud have approached his people months before. Throwing in a bid when another top club has all the work done is amateurish

jayo26 · 17-07-2018 10:19AM

Lads how is it Woodward fault we didn't get them 3 players?

Apart from anything wasn't it lvg that pulled the plug on kross he was lined up by moyes and lvg called it off?

Bale seemingly rejected us over Madrid? Again who could blame him we had moyes in charge and sane with fabregas he stayed in Barcelona.

Obviously Woodward is not blameless but the good he has brought into the club in the past 5 years far out ways one or two transfer mistakes.

Without him United would not be able afford the pogbas and lukakus he ain't perfect he probably needs to or at least the glaziers need to look at the club's infrastructure more but playing wise he has backed every manager and as someone else says he doesn't publicly get involved with infield results he stopped giving stupid silly interviews to mutv.

JaMarcus · 17-07-2018 10:20AM

Hard to see where our next signing is going to come from tbh.

Sandro - Easy to see him choosing PSG as he has an abundance of Brazilian teammates waiting for him in Paris.
Bonucci - I'd be shocked if he left Italy at this stage of his career.
Alderweireld - Agreeing a fee with Spurs will be near impossible.
Bale - Not happening. No Ronaldo, new manager, he'll be the main man for Madrid which is why he moved there in the first place.
Perisic - Couldn't agree a fee last year, can't see us agreeing a fee this year given he signed a new contract and has a World Cup "good performance" tax hanging over him now too. Also Inter back in the CL doesn't help. Plus Mourinho has hinted that it was Perisic's decision not to join us last year too.
Willian - Hard to see him picking us over Barcelona.

Who else have we been linked to? Any other left backs, or any backup strikers?

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 10:24AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Van Gaal said he asked for high profile players and didn't get them

https://www.football365.com/news/van-gaal-disappointed-in-certain-human-beings-at-united

“I asked many, many times for players of the highest quality. But I didn’t get the players I wanted.

Van Gaal said he wanted players like Di Maria to play 4-3-3 and Di Maria was signed. Now he gave interview says he never wanted Di Maria.

Van Gaal wanted players like Muller, Ramos who all used Manutd to get better contracts. At least Jose is very realistic in his targets, Van Gaal was just clueless.

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

We've not gotten some players we were apparently after under Woodward. Fabregas, Baines, Kroos. We've also made a few signings and you'd wonder if Woodward saw a good deal or the manager wanted them. Buying a crocked Falcao probably isn't a deal Madrid or Barca would have been messing around with.

Also gave Rooney a ridiculous contract when his star was fading. Made a seemingly pointless late bid for Bale when Madrid had their business done.

Woodward is an incredible businessman but his transfer dealings too often involve dithering and penny-pinching for top targets.

There were so many reports that Moyes didn;t make decisions quicker and that's why he was called dithering dave. He wanted to scout around 15 times before making decisions. He wanted Fabregas, who then was promised first team football by Barca so he ended up staying at Barca. Moyes had no backup plan so finally had to sign Fellaini.

Kroos deal was negotiated and apparently Van Gaal pulled the plug.

In transfer window, Van Gaal and Jose got almost all the players they wanted, it's impossible to sign 100% targets, that won't happen at any club. Still mentioning deals about Bale, Fabregas is just laughable considering it was his first window and he had to work with clueless guy like Moyes.

bangkok · 17-07-2018 10:25AM

Business Cat wrote: »

To see them lose arguably their best two players this window would be super.

Kante to barca would be magnificent

Trigger · 17-07-2018 10:26AM

jayo26 wrote: »

Lads how is it Woodward fault we didn't get them 3 players?

Apart from anything wasn't it lvg that pulled the plug on kross he was lined up by moyes and lvg called it off?

Bale seemingly rejected us over Madrid? Again who could blame him we had moyes in charge and sane with fabregas he stayed in Barcelona.

Obviously Woodward is not blameless but the good he has brought into the club in the past 5 years far out ways one or two transfer mistakes.

Without him United would not be able afford the pogbas and lukakus he ain't perfect he probably needs to or at least the glaziers need to look at the club's infrastructure more but playing wise he has backed every manager and as someone else says he doesn't publicly get involved with infield results he stopped giving stupid silly interviews to mutv.

Me personally as I have said I’ve no problem with Woodward whatsoever up to now anyways, more certain posters stating as fact that he has delivered all the top targets to managers.

Sure I doubt Fred was the top target, imo Savic was but the price for him is utterly ridiculous, so we moved straight on and bought Fred, I’d actually have that as decent business decision

Giggsy11 · 17-07-2018 10:27AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

On transfers yes, on the business, marketinf and sponsorship side no. There has been plenty written on this topic and Woodward's lack of transfer experience has often been questioned.

On Falcao, clearly he cost the club serious money on wages.

Edit: and on Bale, if we wanted him we shud have approached his people months before. Throwing in a bid when another top club has all the work done is amateurish

What has Bale deal has anything to do with what's happening now? How do you even know that his agent was not contacted before the bid was made?

Re Rooney's contract, that was the first request from Moyes. that Rooney should be retained and Woodward did what he had to, giving best possible conditions for his coach/manager to work.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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