Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

naughto · 13-07-2018 08:31AM

passremarkable wrote: »

What I’ve heard, pinch of salt required and open to any story to be corrected.
Cora was told she going to be used as impact sub which didn’t sit well, her club mates rowed in behind her. Apparently one of the more senior members got a dusting in a training session. When in the huddle she was telling players to do this do that and was told by management to concentrate on own game as getting cleaned out. She took the huff ...
Rumours eh..,,

I had the same story there throwing in player welfare to make it look as there’s more to it.

Green&Red · 13-07-2018 09:47AM

passremarkable wrote: »

What I’ve heard, pinch of salt required and open to any story to be corrected.
Cora was told she going to be used as impact sub which didn’t sit well, her club mates rowed in behind her. Apparently one of the more senior members got a dusting in a training session. When in the huddle she was telling players to do this do that and was told by management to concentrate on own game as getting cleaned out. She took the huff ...
Rumours eh..,,

Exactly what I heard from a very reliable source.

I'd say there is fierce division between the new players and the old guard with the Carnacon and Ballintubber ones being forced onto Cora's side.
The likes to Rowe etc want to move on with a new team and get the benefits of being star players (sponsors etc) and Cora is holding onto the reins.

Its been clear for a while that Cora is coming to the end, the AIF last year was a disgrace, every ball had to go through her and it was a major contributory to them losing

The other players who have gone would want to have a good look at themselves and cop on

charlie14 · 13-07-2018 11:50AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

There is usually two sides to the story as well but we don't need this BS. We have more than enough of this crap from H&C/Jackson episodes but she must have some power tripping going on if she is able to make the others walk. Its impossible to manage this kind of crap. He should have seen this coming and made an example of someone like Horan did a few years ago or not take her back.

I would not attach any blame to the management if the postd here are accurate as too the reason.
Even from the carry-on in the league final if they had not included her in the panel they would have spent their time since hounded by media and some supporters as to why she was not included.
What does surprise me is if the posts here are accurate, the utter stupidity and lack of respect for the jersey of the others who walked.
I do not know what she, or they, hoped to achieve by throwing a hissy fit.
Her inter-county career was coming to an end anyway, and with this it is definitely over.
Plus it has ended that of most if not all those that walked with her as well.

flasher0030 · 13-07-2018 12:28PM

Green&Red wrote: »

Exactly what I heard from a very reliable source.

I'd say there is fierce division between the new players and the old guard with the Carnacon and Ballintubber ones being forced onto Cora's side.
The likes to Rowe etc want to move on with a new team and get the benefits of being star players (sponsors etc) and Cora is holding onto the reins.

Its been clear for a while that Cora is coming to the end, the AIF last year was a disgrace, every ball had to go through her and it was a major contributory to them losing

The other players who have gone would want to have a good look at themselves and cop on

No way. You're just solely basing that on age. Cora Stan is still by far the best player on the Mayo team. It would be different if she took a break out from sport, and wasn't fit. But she has in fact taken it a step higher, and doing more professional training in the interim. I do agree with the mantra - no train, no play in almost all situations. But this is exceptional. You have someone here who played for Mayo for over 20 years (I think). Seized on an opportunity to go to Australia for a small spell, and get paid for it. And has now joined back with the Mayo team. For the management to let it be known that she will not get a starting place is extremely poor management, and copperfastens the narrow-minded mentality that exists in many people within the football fraternity (To demonstrate further, just look at Bonniedogs comments in the thread headed World Cup Final in the GAA section). In my opinion, on the basis of her credentials, what she has given to Mayo and most of all the fact that she is the best player on the team, she has to start. Impact sub? What a laugh. Only in Mayo.

ProudDUB · 13-07-2018 12:54PM

But what if management have decided that they want to rebuild a team around younger players, that will be there for the guts of a decade & who will be there year in and year out, to grow and develop together? Is that not their prerogative?

If Cora doesn't fit in with their plans, ok then. A legend she may be, but she is a legend who does not have a lot of time left at elite level. If they have made the decision (albeit a difficult one) to minimize her role on the team, for the long term greater good of the team, that is just life for anyone playing football over the age of 30 these days. How she is choosing to handle it (if the rumours are true) does not reflect well on her.

charlie14 · 13-07-2018 01:06PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

No way. You're just solely basing that on age. Cora Stan is still by far the best player on the Mayo team. It would be different if she took a break out from sport, and wasn't fit. But she has in fact taken it a step higher, and doing more professional training in the interim. I do agree with the mantra - no train, no play in almost all situations. But this is exceptional. You have someone here who played for Mayo for over 20 years (I think). Seized on an opportunity to go to Australia for a small spell, and get paid for it. And has now joined back with the Mayo team. For the management to let it be known that she will not get a starting place is extremely poor management, and copperfastens the narrow-minded mentality that exists in many people within the football fraternity (To demonstrate further, just look at Bonniedogs comments in the thread headed World Cup Final in the GAA section). In my opinion, on the basis of her credentials, what she has given to Mayo and most of all the fact that she is the best player on the team, she has to start. Impact sub? What a laugh. Only in Mayo.

What a load of codswallop.
From posts here the management only informed her the day she choose to walk that she would be coming in as an impact sub.
Not that they informed the general public through the media unless you know otherwise ?

From what you view as poor management it would appear that you have never been involved in management at this level if you cannot understand that management will not be reading out a list in the dressing room before the throw in, listing who is starting and who are subs.
That is done in the week before a game at this level so that everyone knows there starting position, who they are picking up, who is coming in as an impact sub in what position, the game plan etc. and is then worked on in training.
From posts here, exactly what happened this week prior to this weekend championship game. In other words, normal and best practice management at this level.
Have you ever heard the expression "you are only as good as your last game" ?
If so you should understand what it means. If not take a look again at the Mayo v Dublin league final and perhaps you will have at least an iota of understanding as to why management were not willing to start her.

Bunny Colvin · 13-07-2018 01:14PM

charlie14 wrote: »

What a load of codswallop.
From posts here the management only informed her the day she choose to walk that she would be coming in as an impact sub.
Not that they informed the general public through the media unless you know otherwise ?

From what you view as poor management it would appear that you have never been involved in management at this level if you cannot understand that management will not be reading out a list in the dressing room before the throw in, listing who is starting and who are subs.
That is done in the week before a game at this level so that everyone knows there starting position, who they are picking up, who is coming in as an impact sub in what position, the game plan etc. and is then worked on in training.
From posts here, exactly what happened this week prior to this weekend championship game. In other words, normal and best practice management at this level.
Have you ever heard the expression "you are only as good as your last game" ?
If so you should understand what it means. If not take a look again at the Mayo v Dublin league final and perhaps you will have at least an iota of understanding as to why management were not willing to start her.

I didn't see that game, surely it couldn't have been worse than last year's All-Ireland final? I don't watch much ladies football tbh but it was very noticeable that day.

flasher0030 · 13-07-2018 02:01PM

charlie14 wrote: »

What a load of codswallop.
From posts here the management only informed her the day she choose to walk that she would be coming in as an impact sub.
Not that they informed the general public through the media unless you know otherwise ?

From what you view as poor management it would appear that you have never been involved in management at this level if you cannot understand that management will not be reading out a list in the dressing room before the throw in, listing who is starting and who are subs.
That is done in the week before a game at this level so that everyone knows there starting position, who they are picking up, who is coming in as an impact sub in what position, the game plan etc. and is then worked on in training.
From posts here, exactly what happened this week prior to this weekend championship game. In other words, normal and best practice management at this level.
Have you ever heard the expression "you are only as good as your last game" ?
If so you should understand what it means. If not take a look again at the Mayo v Dublin league final and perhaps you will have at least an iota of understanding as to why management were not willing to start her.

What are you talking about? Why am I supposed to watch the league final. Cora S. wasn't playing in it. A game Mayo lost by 13 points without her. Her last game as far as I know was against Galway, in which she scored 6 points. And if you really believe in the mantra "you are only as good as your last game", then please get a reality check. That's not how it works in the real world.

And again, I have no idea of the relevance of the rest of your comments about naming teams etc. I'm well familiar with how teams are picked and let known to the players well in advance. Not relevant to what we are discussing. Or maybe I am wrong. My understanding (open to correction) is that Cora S was told that she will be an impact sub, and she didn't like that. And in my opinion, justifiably so. She has carried Mayo for years, and still does so. And is after several months of professional training. Again in my opinion, the manager seems to have some kind of personal agenda - obvious from the following interview.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/league-final-place-a-big-achievement-for-leahy-and-mayo-1.3480716

PARlance · 13-07-2018 02:29PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

What are you talking about? Why am I supposed to watch the league final. Cora S. wasn't playing in it. A game Mayo lost by 13 points without her. Her last game as far as I know was against Galway, in which she scored 6 points. And if you really believe in the mantra "you are only as good as your last game", then please get a reality check. That's not how it works in the real world.

And again, I have no idea of the relevance of the rest of your comments about naming teams etc. I'm well familiar with how teams are picked and let known to the players well in advance. Not relevant to what we are discussing. Or maybe I am wrong. My understanding (open to correction) is that Cora S was told that she will be an impact sub, and she didn't like that. And in my opinion, justifiably so. She has carried Mayo for years, and still does so. And is after several months of professional training. Again in my opinion, the manager seems to have some kind of personal agenda - obvious from the following interview.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/league-final-place-a-big-achievement-for-leahy-and-mayo-1.3480716

She doesn't have to like it but a good "pro" will take it and prove management wrong over time. If the rumours are true, it's disgraceful behaviour from her. Throwing a sulk is understandable, even leaving the panel could be forgiven... bringing 9 others with you isn't. I'm assuming that she had a role to play in them all walking obviously.

Fwiw, I can see where the management are coming from. She has been a great of the game but they are trying to build a new team. And quite frankly, a lot of people were cringing watching her display in the AIF last year.

I don't know would I just use her as an impact sub but I would certainly be trying to get her to use her experience to help bring on younger players. She had no interest in being a team player in that game. I'll excuse her that though, she has carried the team most of her career. But she should have some appreciation of what management are trying to achieve.

Tombo2001 · 13-07-2018 02:44PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

But what if management have decided that they want to rebuild a team around younger players, that will be there for the guts of a decade & who will be there year in and year out, to grow and develop together? Is that not their prerogative?

If Cora doesn't fit in with their plans, ok then. A legend she may be, but she is a legend who does not have a lot of time left at elite level. If they have made the decision (albeit a difficult one) to minimize her role on the team, for the long term greater good of the team, that is just life for anyone playing football over the age of 30 these days. How she is choosing to handle it (if the rumours are true) does not reflect well on her.

This bit.....

Who is to say how much time she has left, and to some extent why does it matter.

Looking at last years campaign - Mayo beat Cork, first team to beat Cork in LGFA for 7 years. Mayo scored 20 points, Cora Staunton scored 12 of them including just 2 from frees. This is more than just a good player.

In the final, she was double marked the whole time but was still Mayo's top scorer from play; and the idea that her performance made anyone 'cringe'......

She then goes out to Australia and did incredibly well from the get go, something none of the male players were ever able to do.

And she comes back, and people here think - well she's past it? She should just move on.....build a young team......

You've got a once in a generation player here. Once in 50 years......

Tombo2001 · 13-07-2018 02:46PM

PARlance wrote: »

She doesn't have to like it but a good "pro" will take it and prove management wrong over time. If the rumours are true, it's disgraceful behaviour from her. Throwing a sulk is understandable, even leaving the panel could be forgiven... bringing 9 others with you isn't. I'm assuming that she had a role to play in them all walking obviously.
.

But GAA players are not Pros, they are there because they want to be there. And if they dont want to be there, they leave. And that in a nutshell is whats happened here. And everyone makes their own decision, nobody 'brings' anyone.

And if Mayo are actually better off 'building around a young team' or whatever, well time will tell who was right.

flasher0030 · 13-07-2018 03:09PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

This bit.....

Who is to say how much time she has left, and to some extent why does it matter.

Looking at last years campaign - Mayo beat Cork, first team to beat Cork in LGFA for 7 years. Mayo scored 20 points, Cora Staunton scored 12 of them including just 2 from frees. This is more than just a good player.

In the final, she was double marked the whole time but was still Mayo's top scorer from play; and the idea that her performance made anyone 'cringe'......

She then goes out to Australia and did incredibly well from the get go, something none of the male players were ever able to do.

And she comes back, and people here think - well she's past it? She should just move on.....build a young team......

You've got a once in a generation player here. Once in 50 years......

Precisely. I’m all for management developing younger players. Integrate that definitely, and bring them on over time as they are playing alongside the great players. But bloody hell, play your best players in the matches that count – i.e. championship games. Do the blooding in of new players/younger players during the league – similar to men’s football. Picking out one game 10 months to try to illustrate some type of demise is miserable. The Dublin set-up knew the simple tactic of keep Cora out of it, and Mayo have no chance. And if the game was on tomorrow, they would have the same tactic. Just shows the quality of the player. Like I say, and based on the interview with Leahy that I put in couple of posts back – he seemed to be going in with some sort of ego thing – “no superstars around here”. Creating provocation unnecessarily. Cora Staunton is a superstar. There’s no need to try to stifle that in the dressing room and pretend that they are all at a level playing field. If she’s good enough, she should be starting the championship match.

Just one point that someone might be able to answer – if she started against Galway and scored 6 points, why impact sub now – that’s obviously on the basis that the rumours are correct.

charlie14 · 13-07-2018 03:13PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

What are you talking about? Why am I supposed to watch the league final. Cora S. wasn't playing in it. A game Mayo lost by 13 points without her. Her last game as far as I know was against Galway, in which she scored 6 points. And if you really believe in the mantra "you are only as good as your last game", then please get a reality check. That's not how it works in the real world.

And again, I have no idea of the relevance of the rest of your comments about naming teams etc. I'm well familiar with how teams are picked and let known to the players well in advance. Not relevant to what we are discussing. Or maybe I am wrong. My understanding (open to correction) is that Cora S was told that she will be an impact sub, and she didn't like that. And in my opinion, justifiably so. She has carried Mayo for years, and still does so. And is after several months of professional training. Again in my opinion, the manager seems to have some kind of personal agenda - obvious from the following interview.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/league-final-place-a-big-achievement-for-leahy-and-mayo-1.3480716

That should have read the AIF a game Mayo lost by 12 points with her playing where everything had to go through her.
Mayo also lost the last game she played in, the Connacht final to Galway.

How is my comment about naming teams and the recognised procedure for doing so at this level have no relevance

That from reports is exactly what happened.
She was told she would not be starting, but would come in as an impact sub. Rather than accept the management decision, a management that are appointed to make those decisions,she threw a hissy fit, walked and took 9 others with her.
Complete and utter selfish behaviour with her county facing into a championship match at the weekend.
Cora Staunton was a major influence for Mayo in the past, but that has long passed.
Mayo have not won the Brendan Martin cup since 2003 or the Div1 league since 2007.

I really do not know what your point is about this years league final is.
Mayo got to that league final without her.
Are you suggesting that the management should have dropped a player that got them there to be replaced by Staunton simply on the basis that she was back from Australia?
We are talking here about the Mayo GAA ladies senior team. Not the Cora Staunton privately run ladies senior team. Even if Cora Staunton apparently cannot see the difference.

flasher0030 · 13-07-2018 03:26PM

charlie14 wrote: »

That should have read the AIF a game Mayo lost by 12 points with her playing where everything had to go through her.
Mayo also lost the last game she played in, the Connacht final to Galway.

How is my comment about naming teams and the recognised procedure for doing so at this level have no relevance
That from reports is exactly what happened.
She was told she would not be starting, but would come in as an impact sub. Rather than accept the management decision, a management that are appointed to make those decisions,she threw a hissy fit, walked and took 9 others with her.
Complete and utter selfish behaviour with her county facing into a championship match at the weekend.
Cora Staunton was a major influence for Mayo in the past, but that has long passed.
Mayo have not won the Brendan Martin cup since 2003 or the Div1 league since 2007.

I really do not know what your point is about this years league final is.
Mayo got to that league final without her.
Are you suggesting that the management should have dropped a player that got them there to be replaced by Staunton simply on the basis that she was back from Australia?
We are talking here about the Mayo GAA ladies senior team. Not the Cora Staunton privately run ladies senior team. Even if Cora Staunton apparently cannot see the difference.

You brought up about the league match, not me.

(Part in bold) - We'll leave it at that so. Mayo GAA ladies.

charlie14 · 13-07-2018 03:39PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

You brought up about the league match, not me.

(Part in bold) - We'll leave it at that so. Mayo GAA ladies.

..... and not the Cora Staunton GAA ladies team.

flasher0030 · 13-07-2018 03:52PM

charlie14 wrote: »

..... and not the Cora Staunton GAA ladies team.

If you were any way familiar with ladies football, you would realise that ladies football does not come within the remit of the GAA.

SecretsOfEarth · 13-07-2018 04:13PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

If you were any way familiar with ladies football, you would realise that ladies football does not come within the remit of the GAA.

Would you like a scissors for those hairs you're splitting? The condescension and dismissal of a poster's valid points and opinion because of an error in labelling the team is laughable.

Tombo2001 · 13-07-2018 05:39PM

charlie14 wrote: »

That should have read the AIF a game Mayo lost by 12 points with her playing where everything had to go through her.
Mayo also lost the last game she played in, the Connacht final to Galway.

How is my comment about naming teams and the recognised procedure for doing so at this level have no relevance
That from reports is exactly what happened.
She was told she would not be starting, but would come in as an impact sub. Rather than accept the management decision, a management that are appointed to make those decisions,she threw a hissy fit, walked and took 9 others with her.
Complete and utter selfish behaviour with her county facing into a championship match at the weekend.
Cora Staunton was a major influence for Mayo in the past, but that has long passed.
Mayo have not won the Brendan Martin cup since 2003 or the Div1 league since 2007.

I really do not know what your point is about this years league final is.
Mayo got to that league final without her.
Are you suggesting that the management should have dropped a player that got them there to be replaced by Staunton simply on the basis that she was back from Australia?
We are talking here about the Mayo GAA ladies senior team. Not the Cora Staunton privately run ladies senior team. Even if Cora Staunton apparently cannot see the difference.

2017 LGFA AI Series: Top scorer from play for Mayo in last years All Ireland final, scoring more than half of Mayo's scores in the semi final; 14 points scored in the QF.

Come on, that comment..... lets just say the stats would suggest you are completely wrong. The stats say she was a major major influence in Mayo getting to the AI final in 2017.

charlie14 · 13-07-2018 06:55PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

2017 LGFA AI Series: Top scorer from play for Mayo in last years All Ireland final, scoring more than half of Mayo's scores in the semi final; 14 points scored in the QF.

Come on, that comment..... lets just say the stats would suggest you are completely wrong. The stats say she was a major major influence in Mayo getting to the AI final in 2017.

If your point is based on statistics, in the 2017 AI Final in which Cora Staunton played, Dublin won by 12 points.
In the 2018 Div1 league final where Staunton did not play, Dublin won by 11 Points.
No discernible difference statistically with or without her, other than I did feel Dublin were better in the league final than in the AI final.

charlie14 · 13-07-2018 07:00PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

If you were any way familiar with ladies football, you would realise that ladies football does not come within the remit of the GAA.

Duly noted that you obviously prefer splitting hair than addressing points made.
If hair splitting is something you appear to get pleasure from, then in future you will need to get your jollies elsewhere I`m afraid, because I have no interest in any further engagement with you.

blinding · 13-07-2018 09:13PM

When / Is Cora heading to Australia again ?

At this stage it would probably better if she went as soon as possible .

Audioslaven · 14-07-2018 12:59AM

On a more positive note best of luck to the U20

djPSB · 14-07-2018 07:38AM

blinding wrote: »

When / Is Cora heading to Australia again ?

At this stage it would probably better if she went as soon as possible .

It's a pity that Mayo greats like Cora and the Mort careers end in such bitterness after all players like them contribute to the green and red over the years.

irishgeo · 14-07-2018 08:38AM

Raul held Spain back for years. Only when he moved on did they flourish.

Fr Tod Umptious · 14-07-2018 08:43AM

There is a u20 football semi final today v Derry at 4pm, on TG4 YouTube channel.

Just in case anyone forgot.

miocicmma · 14-07-2018 08:50AM

Who do Mayo have in the Super 8's again? I'm looking at the fixture list and i don't see them. What happened?

eastmayo · 14-07-2018 10:24AM

miocicmma wrote: »

Who do Mayo have in the Super 8's again? I'm looking at the fixture list and i don't see them. What happened?

What did yeah get beaten by in ye're last championship game in croke park was it 22 or 25 points. ðŸ˜‰

seligehgit · 14-07-2018 11:16AM

Any team named for the Derry game today?

eastmayo · 14-07-2018 12:20PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Any team named for the Derry game today?

Mayo team.

Heraldoffreeent · 14-07-2018 12:40PM

eastmayo wrote: »

What did yeah get beaten by in ye're last championship game in croke park was it 22 or 25 points. &#55357;&#56841;

We drew our last championship match in Croker, we then won the replay in thurles.

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