Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Deleted User wrote: »

Not excusing the driver here at all but even if that car had edged out at a snails pace it was going to be dangerous with that van in the cycle lane, but if he'd stuck his nose out a little the guy would have been able to see him and either wave him out or take evasive action.

Maddening thing is there looks to be a parking space across the street that van could be in.

The car is completely at fault. The van being positioned where it is makes no difference to that. The driver was simply faced with a different decision than if the van was not there, and still made a terribly poor (and dangerous) one. The driver didn't even try to nose out; it was simply a blind pull out SMIDGAF.

magicbastarder wrote: »

it's not a zero sum game though; granted, the motorist in the car should not have done what he or she did, but the danger is saying that they're completely responsible could be taken as an argument that absolves the van driver. if the motorist is 100% responsible, that leaves 0% to attribute to the van driver.

It's not the same game. The driver was faced with a choice and made a poor one. The van driver was also an idiot for parking there. Two separate events.

micar wrote: »

Was the driver actually trying to do a u turn?

Very likely. Look at the angle of the car and the position of the front wheels. Was just about to point it out when I saw your post. Quite a reckless thing to do with vision obscured by the van.

Hungrycol wrote: »

Steam still coming out my ears. Was going right at the roundabout (3rd exit) and took the correct road position on the roundabout (green line). Car coming from the direction of my first exit (red line) starts flying up my inside on the roundabout about taking her 2nd exit (my 3rd). I have to go to the left hand side coming out of the roundabout to assume my correct road position coming off the roundabout (with arm out indicating at point 1) but had I not done my lifesaver she would have creamed me on the inside, point 2. :eek: She started waving her hands giving out then started getting aggressively close to my back wheel and eventually overtook, looked straight ahead and put the foot down. I shouted "ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME?".

Me Green line, her Red line.

Very annoying, there's arseh0les everywhere.
I was cycling in this morning at a fair clip and a fellow cyclist decided to overtake me and then freewheel right in front of me. I had to overtake them again which made me feel a bit of a dick!

Not trying to be smart here, two things I witnessed in the last couple of days in a busy country village. First a guy on a mountain bike with a small terrier dog on a lead running a long side him as he cycled on the road. Has to be looking for trouble. The second the next evening while sitting in the car outside a garage a car turning in left and had clearly indicated and slowed down to a crawl a guy on a big bike came along a hit the passangers door and fell off the bike and was very lucky only grazed his knee and arm, the bike was easily travelling at 30 to 40km and the guy was down in racing position and never seen the car or attempts to brake or slow down and proceeds to attack the young girl for being in the wrong and how valuable his bike was and she would pay for all damages. Two of us witnessed the whole thing and helped the rider up and cleaned his cuts and told him how lucky he was and all he wanted was her insurance details for his bike and did not want the guards called. The guards arrived and did not want to get involved as no body was hurt. The damage to the bike was small and the guy was lucky to get no break of bones. Sorry for the long post but these two guys were not helping cyclists and don’t get me wrong see so many bad drivers on country roads.

CircleofLife wrote: »

I have to ask, as a pedestrian, have you guys noticed an increased amount of idiots (mainly cyclists and pedestrians which is why I'm saying it here) in Dublin city lately? I have seen so many incidents since the sunny weather started. I've also had quite a few incidents where cyclists have decided to either break the lights when I was crossing at a green light or jump onto the pavement right in front of me, to the extent where I've had to stop or sidestep quite a bit to avoid being hit. That said, one of the worst that I've seen is when a mother, crossing against the lights at College Green, pushed her pram straight out in front of a cyclist and proceeded to tell him that if he hadn't stopped she would have killed him... In short the sunny weather has brought out the twats.

Cant say I have noticed this as such . There would be more people cycling on the road been summer anyway so an increase in numbers would bring about more chance of misdemeanors by the law of averages. I have noticed more pedestrians stepping out of roads around town without looking and having to take evasive action though which again prob comes with more people walking due to good weather. Both scenarios are an improvemnet anyway then people in cars, vans, buses hitting pedestrians

The Kop wrote: »

I've noticed lately some people cycling with those trailer for kids attached to the bike. I can't for the life of me understand how any responsible parent could even think of going out on a public road with kids in one of those contraptions.
This is not about who would be right or wrong if someone hit the trailer, this is about putting your kids in the firing line.

How many kids die in cars each year compared to how many kids die in cargo bikes each year?

The Kop wrote: »

Lol that's a new one.Never seen that before.

I've noticed lately some people cycling with those trailer for kids attached to the bike. I can't for the life of me understand how any responsible parent could even think of going out on a public road with kids in one of those contraptions.
This is not about who would be right or wrong if someone hit the trailer, this is about putting your kids in the firing line.
Seen one guy sail through a set of red lights in Lucan the other day with one of those trailers and kids inside.

Cycle much yourself?

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How many kids die in cars each year compared to how many kids die in cargo bikes each year?

Talk about a straw-man.
What's the point you're making with that question or are you looking for someone else to go off and do the research for you

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Talk about a straw-man.
What's the point you're making with that question or are you looking for someone else to go off and do the research for you

Car accidents are responsible for 37% of childhood deaths annually. goo.gl/1ZKnye
Cargo bikes are responsible for 0. Statistically, putting your child in a car is the single most irresponsible thing you can do to them.

So it's not a strawman to claim in response to someone who only came on here to say "that's dangerous because I think it looks dangerous", when the evidence shows the opposite is true. Would that person claim a driver is a bad and irresponsible parent? Unlikely, but on the weight of evidence that's where they should be directing their moralistic posts.

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

It's crap statistics. How many people die flying a kite across the road? 0? Must be safe so.

Ok then let's ignore the cargo bike (since it's so safe there are literally no death stats)

How about that 37% of childhood deaths figure? Is that a crap statistic? If cycling stats were within an ass's roar of that figure bikes would have been banned years ago. Will I expect to see you outside Leinster house calling for an end to motor vehicles? Because if you're concerned about child safety that's exactly what you should be doing.

In fact all the stats point towards banning cars - law breaking, pollution, cost to taxpayers, public safety... all vehicle and driver issues that are hugely detrimental to society.

So will I meet you at the Dail?

benjamin d wrote: »

Ok then let's ignore the cargo bike (since it's so safe there are literally no death stats)

How about that 37% of childhood deaths figure? Is that a crap statistic? If cycling stats were within an ass's roar of that figure bikes would have been banned years ago. Will I expect to see you outside Leinster house calling for an end to motor vehicles? Because if you're concerned about child safety that's exactly what you should be doing.

In fact all the stats point towards banning cars - law breaking, pollution, cost to taxpayers, public safety... all vehicle and driver issues that are hugely detrimental to society.

So will I meet you at the Dail?

I think you need to clarify what this statistic actually means. Are you really saying that 37% of all children (U18?) who die in a given year are killed in a car accident? That seems unlikely.