Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Seth Brundle · 10-07-2018 12:32PM

VW 1 wrote: »

I think I most likely will report, raging I didn't take note of the badge number. I'll pop into Finglas Garda Station this evening to speak to them and see what can be done.

Ask for a reference number also.

Idleater · 10-07-2018 01:21PM

VW 1 wrote: »

I think I most likely will report, raging I didn't take note of the badge number. I'll pop into Finglas Garda Station this evening to speak to them and see what can be done.

While reporting it sounds like a good idea, the only problem is that it can be turned around to you "not following the directions of a Garda". You not cycling in the cycle lane is no longer an issue as soon as they stop to to you.

Last time I didn't let a car past in the buslane (due to narrow gap and lane position of a truck, he ("unmarked") turned on the siren and I moved into the main lane after the obstruction. He got 50m up the road and got blocked by a bus and shouted at me not to block traffic :rolleyes:
I told him I moved aside when safe to which he replied the siren meant to get out of the way immediately as he had been behind me "for ages". I disputed his obvious desire to get home while stuck behind the bus, and proceeded on my way.

For some, there's little that can be done and arguing with a third party will at best be met with a shrug.

amcalester · 10-07-2018 01:26PM

Idleater wrote: »

While reporting it sounds like a good idea, the only problem is that it can be turned around to you "not following the directions of a Garda". You not cycling in the cycle lane is no longer an issue as soon as they stop to to you.

The Guard would have to have a reason for giving those instructions in the first place before one could be done for not following the instructions.

The Kop · 10-07-2018 01:27PM

Chiparus wrote: »

did the motorists stopped in the yellow box contribute to accident?

It's possible one of the motorists was wearing a Golf jumper and spooked the cyclist, causing him to cycle in front of the other cyclist.

Chiparus · 10-07-2018 01:31PM

The Kop wrote: »

It's possible one of the motorists was wearing a Golf jumper and spooked the cyclist, causing him to cycle in front of the other cyclist.

Might have been surfing on his phone and did not realise he had stopped in the yellow box, happens a lot.

Idleater · 10-07-2018 01:45PM

amcalester wrote: »

The Guard would have to have a reason for giving those instructions in the first place before one could be done for not following the instructions.

I'm talking about when the exchange gets to:

G: you need to get off the road now and into the cycle lane, you're obstructing busses
Me: i havent held up any busses and it isn't mandatory to use the cycle path. The road sign there for the bus lane shows a bus and a cyclist. *points again*
G: get off the road and use the bus lane
Me: im going to continue as i was, if im breaking a law, ill take a ticket.

A Garda can in the course of their duties direct someone by issuing an instruction which in this (and my) case has moved on from whatever the original issue was for whatever reason, to a the new bizarre circumstance.

I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just wondering what the point of arguing apples vs oranges is with someone that wasn't there. "Did you follow the instructions of the guard?" - No; because.... "Thanks, call again"

magicbastarder · 10-07-2018 02:00PM

i have the relevant section bookmarked on my phone in anticipation of a legal debate with a garda at the side of the road:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print

amcalester · 10-07-2018 02:12PM

Idleater wrote: »

I'm talking about when the exchange gets to:

A Garda can in the course of their duties direct someone by issuing an instruction which in this (and my) case has moved on from whatever the original issue was for whatever reason, to a the new bizarre circumstance.

I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just wondering what the point of arguing apples vs oranges is with someone that wasn't there. "Did you follow the instructions of the guard?" - No; because.... "Thanks, call again"

That doesn't apply in all circumstances though, Guards can't just go around telling people to move on or whatever, they have to have a reason for instruction you to do so.

In this case they had no such reason.

magicbastarder · 10-07-2018 02:14PM

we'd be living in a fascist state if a garda could tell you to do anything they wanted, and by refusing the order, you'd be committing a crime.

Effects · 10-07-2018 03:04PM

amcalester wrote: »

Guards can't just go around telling people to move on or whatever, they have to have a reason for instruction you to do so.

It's not going to stop them trying though!
I was asked to get off my bike while cycling on the cycle path on Andrew's St.
This was after him telling me I'd hit a pedestrian on the path, which I hadn't.

Felexicon · 10-07-2018 03:43PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i have the relevant section bookmarked on my phone in anticipation of a legal debate with a garda at the side of the road:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print

hahahahahaha

Ah Man that is one of the saddest things I've ever read.

All prepped for an argument that will probably never happen

magicbastarder · 10-07-2018 04:11PM

yes, 'all prepped' = 'creating a bookmark'. i stayed up all night doing it.

Felexicon · 10-07-2018 04:19PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

yes, 'all prepped' = 'creating a bookmark'. i stayed up all night doing it.

Ah that probably came across a bit harsher than it was meant. I just think it's funny that you have put thought in to such an unlikely event happening.

papu · 10-07-2018 04:27PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

yes, 'all prepped' = 'creating a bookmark'. i stayed up all night doing it.

Bookmarked as well, thanks.

magicbastarder · 10-07-2018 04:30PM

Felexicon wrote: »

Ah that probably came across a bit harsher than it was meant. I just think it's funny that you have put thought in to such an unlikely event happening.

i'm regularly beeped at on the leopardstown road too, for not using the cycle path. the chances of an ensuing conversation facilitating me taking the phone out to put the driver in their place are amusingly small, but may as well be prepared.

RobertFoster · 10-07-2018 04:42PM

Felexicon wrote: »

Ah that probably came across a bit harsher than it was meant. I just think it's funny that you have put thought in to such an unlikely event happening.

How unlikely is it though? At least two forum users (VW 1 and Wishbone Ash) have posted about lights and sirens being used to pull them over for not using a bike track. I can recall a couple of personal instances with Gardaí "recommending" I use a track -- though I'm not one to engage and suggest they read SI 332/2012.

magicbastarder · 10-07-2018 04:49PM

i think i remember beasty talking about having had a similar conversation on the swords road.

RacoonQueen · 10-07-2018 05:33PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm regularly beeped at on the leopardstown road too, for not using the cycle path. the chances of an ensuing conversation facilitating me taking the phone out to put the driver in their place are amusingly small, but may as well be prepared.

It's ridiculous along there. If you use the path you almost need to use the pedestrian lights to turn right to stay on Leopardstown road to head towards Sandyford/Stepaside :rolleyes:

eeeee · 10-07-2018 05:36PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i think i remember beasty talking about having had a similar conversation on the swords road.

I've had them pull me and a friend over and tell us to cycle single file :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko · 10-07-2018 09:35PM

amcalester wrote: »

That doesn't apply in all circumstances though, Guards can't just go around telling people to move on or whatever, they have to have a reason for instruction you to do so.

In this case they had no such reason.

And while a Garda can tell you move on or move out of an area, I'm pretty sure they can't tell you HOW to move out of the area, e.g. by cycle lane or not.

ED E · 11-07-2018 12:07AM

These members superior quoted the public order act in such a move. When repeatedly challenged on how it applied he left (with tail between legs).

Sometimes the mind boggles at how uneducated our LEOs are in what the law actually says....

jaqian · 11-07-2018 07:31AM

Bizarre, you'd think between the 3 of them they would know the law (SI 332/2012). Freaky reading that as it is my route as well. I've had peoplevat the busstop deliberately stand in front of me to block the "cycle lane", which is when I started using the bus lane.

Annie get your Run · 11-07-2018 09:14AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm regularly beeped at on the leopardstown road too, for not using the cycle path. the chances of an ensuing conversation facilitating me taking the phone out to put the driver in their place are amusingly small, but may as well be prepared.

I had a picture of you cycling along with your phone in your hand, ready to pounce

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I've bookmarked that now too, thanks!

CramCycle · 11-07-2018 12:01PM

Not sure if I posted this already, not really a near miss. Guy practicing his golf swing in the bike lane on the Northbound N11 beside the Topaz after Stillorgan. I caught something glimmering in my eye but had moved out to the bus lane anyway as I was overtakign someone before hand.

Very peculiar.

NeedMoreGears · 11-07-2018 12:45PM

Very irritating near miss last night.

I was coming onto the small roundabout at Baldoyle. The set up is typical of small roundabouts that have three entry /exit points. The main single land road becomes two lanes just before the roundabout (say 30m), the roundabout features two lanes for a 10 metres or so to facilitate cars going left and then becomes one lane a bit before the through exit.

I'm in the right hand lane approaching roundabout about 50cm from its left edge. Our hero passes me on the right as I am entering the roundabout. I have to hit the brakes or else he's going to clip my front wheel with his rear wheel. Annoying and dangerous.

The real pIsser was our hero was on a bike.

Alanstrainor · 11-07-2018 03:36PM

NeedMoreGears wrote: »

Very irritating near miss last night.

I was coming onto the small roundabout at Baldoyle. The set up is typical of small roundabouts that have three entry /exit points. The main single land road becomes two lanes just before the roundabout (say 30m), the roundabout features two lanes for a 10 metres or so to facilitate cars going left and then becomes one lane a bit before the through exit.

I'm in the right hand lane approaching roundabout about 50cm from its left edge. Our hero passes me on the right as I am entering the roundabout. I have to hit the brakes or else he's going to clip my front wheel with his rear wheel. Annoying and dangerous.

The real pIsser was our hero was on a bike.

What a dope.

That roundabout can be tricky with cars trying to overtake in the middle of it when you're going straight through to Portmarnock. I've found I have to stick my right arm out indicating to prevent such passes.

ED E · 11-07-2018 08:35PM

https://twitter.com/rohal_/status/1017103743345709060

micar · 11-07-2018 10:20PM

ED E wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rohal_/status/1017103743345709060

Was the driver actually trying to do a u turn?

Jaysci20 · 11-07-2018 10:31PM

VW 1 wrote: »

Wasn't too sure of where to post this, but had a strange interaction with a garda car this morning. I cycle daily from finglas to town via the R135/Finglas Road, always in the bus lane as the cycle lane is shared with pedestrians, including school kids and frequent bus stops.

This morning a garda car was behind me, so i was making sure to indicate that i was pulling out around man hole covers etc.
After 30 seconds sitting behind me i hear the siren so i prepare to move in to the kerb to let them by. At this point they pull alongside and ask me to stop.

3 garda in the car, the one in the front passenger seat speaks to me.

Garda: why aren't you using the cycle lane?
Me: because its shared with pedestrians and children, its dangerous when i cycle at 40+ kph so i use the bus lane instead
G: you cant use the bus lane, its mandatory to use the cycle lane
Me: it isn't mandatory, its optional. It isn't a cycle lane, its a path with a line in it and school kids, and dogs are being walked across the full path there *points* its just not safe
G: you need to get off the road now and into the cycle lane, you're obstructing busses
Me: i havent held up any busses and it isn't mandatory to use the cycle path. The road sign there for the bus lane shows a bus and a cyclist. *points again*
G: get off the road and use the bus lane
Me: im going to continue as i was, if im breaking a law, ill take a ticket.

He rolled up his window, i cycled on in the middle of the lane and they stayed right behind me until i moved around a fire brigade taking up the whole road seeing to a car crash that had taken place, but no more sirens and no pulling in.

I find the whole thing bizarre that a garda is telling me something that is blatantly not true. I felt i was being cheeky in arguing, but doing so in a confident and respectful tone, it never got heated or anything. Still.it doesnt sit right with me for some reason.

What absolute plonkers. Three gardai sitting on their asses driving after a cyclist who is doing nothing wrong.

11-07-2018 10:39PM

ED E wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rohal_/status/1017103743345709060

Not excusing the driver here at all but even if that car had edged out at a snails pace it was going to be dangerous with that van in the cycle lane, but if he'd stuck his nose out a little the guy would have been able to see him and either wave him out or take evasive action.

Maddening thing is there looks to be a parking space across the street that van could be in.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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