Dairy chit chat II

Coolfresian · 03-07-2018 08:10PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Sir,
You haven’t a phucking clue, let it go. Passed you way on Sat not your place specially but ye think you know drought. Drive east for 40 mins and you see that the advise your freely dishing out is pure bull shyte

Can u just give it a rest seriously. We r all different circumstances. I'm further east than most here and Mahoney's advice applies to me. It's useful to some ppl.

mahoney_j · 03-07-2018 08:15PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Sir,
You haven’t a phucking clue, let it go. Passed you way on Sat not your place specially but ye think you know drought. Drive east for 40 mins and you see that the advise your freely dishing out is pure bull shyte

Ok I’ll jyst shut up and keep my opinions to myself ,things may not be as bad as further east but in same boat growth stopped grass quality ****e due to drought stress etc don’t know real drought maby but I’d love to know what yer big issue is with suggesting to cut stocking rate to reduce demand makes sense and is actively happening around ,lots of coed booked to factory and no’s in Marta rising anyway grand evening better things to be at than this pointless ****e

Say my name · 03-07-2018 08:15PM

Maybe we should all have a 99 and support the milk price!

This personal crap is starting all over again.

mahoney_j · 03-07-2018 08:18PM

Coolfresian wrote: »

Can u just give it a rest seriously. We r all different circumstances. I'm further east than most here and Mahoney's advice applies to me. It's useful to some ppl.

Thanks for that ,I in no way meant offense to anyone but some just twist and turn things ,were all up **** creak atm and real opinions and hard decisions have to be made some just don’t like hard truths it seems anyway bar b q and cold cider time

greysides · 03-07-2018 08:19PM

Yeah, take a break in the Real World. Thread closed for refreshments.

greysides · 04-07-2018 12:54AM

How's everyone getting on with the KT? Anyone finding it useful?

Deadline is the end of July.

Gawddawggonnit · 04-07-2018 06:28AM

freedominacup wrote: »

Are you serious? A bit of gentle nighttime reading. Hopefully I'll get through it before the 2019 one hits the presses.

Just lightening the mood around here...

whelan2 · 04-07-2018 08:52AM

Came home last night. Was surprised there's a bit of grass here. Will do a walk later. Upped meal in parlour from 2 to 4kg. Cows are content and that's the main thing. Water problems on out farm so will spend most of the day at that. Plumber under serious pressure from lads with no water at all.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 04-07-2018 09:05PM

I was at a Heavy Land demo farm today, seriously impressive work being done by Teagasc atm in getting heavy land producing grass.

An interesting point he made was how difficult it was last year to get cows to eat out around dung pats last year so there was grass samples taken and they found the grass nearer the dung pats had Iron levels hugely higher than expected and this was affecting palatability. It asn't a problem this year at all and he has bought a grass harrow to spread out the dung so the grass should be more palatable after the dung is spread out more during wet weather.

Base price · 04-07-2018 09:31PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I was at a Heavy Land demo farm today, seriously impressive work being done by Teagasc atm in getting heavy land producing grass.

An interesting point he made was how difficult it was last year to get cows to eat out around dung pats last year so there was grass samples taken and they found the grass nearer the dung pats had Iron levels hugely higher than expected and this was affecting palatability. It asn't a problem this year at all and he has bought a grass harrow to spread out the dung so the grass should be more palatable after the dung is spread out more during wet weather.

Years ago you would see farmers harrowing fields (rotational set stocking) with a chain harrow to break up the dung pats. I was one of the first tractor jobs I used to do as a young one.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 04-07-2018 09:38PM

Base price wrote: »

Years ago you would see farmers harrowing fields (rotational set stocking) with a chain harrow to break up the dung pats. I was one of the first tractor jobs I used to do as a young one.

The dung pats were a bigger problem when cows were grazing stronger grass but the grass grazed at 1400 coves doesn't seem to leave huge clumps of sh!te in fields all the year. Better digested by both cow and bugs in the soil.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 04-07-2018 09:39PM

At the risk of starting WWIII, the latest Greenfield update...
https://twitter.com/dfogarty6/status/1014583242027163649

whelan2 · 04-07-2018 09:45PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

At the risk of starting WWIII, the latest Greenfield update...
https://twitter.com/dfogarty6/status/1014583242027163649

Milk urea of 2. At least they are being straight with the facts

mf240 · 04-07-2018 09:54PM

Anyone ring the drought helpline that Glanbia have set up.

Could try paying a fair price and forget about a helpine.

kevthegaff · 04-07-2018 09:58PM

From what I remember greenfield was a pretty open site, I'd imagine it has dried out even quicker than other farms in that area. Are they buying In all winter feed

charolais0153 · 04-07-2018 10:00PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

From what I remember greenfield was a pretty open site, I'd imagine it has dried out even quicker than other farms in that area. Are they buying In all winter feed

Theirs a video on youtube on farmers journals lage...it looked very green but it could of been taken a while ago

mahoney_j · 04-07-2018 10:10PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

At the risk of starting WWIII, the latest Greenfield update...
https://twitter.com/dfogarty6/status/1014583242027163649

It is what it is lots feed going in but a big hole going to be left in winter feed bank .wonder what the plan is to gather enough feed for winter as in all likelihood there’s bound to be more weather woes during summer and back end farm will take longer to recover when rain comes too as moisture deficit so deep and picking any spare fodder or feed up in that part of country for such a large herd won’t be simple

blackdog1 · 04-07-2018 10:22PM

Pitted 2nd cut today. Unfortunately it is what it is cut 20th May so wasn't a complete disaster. Land to far away unfortunately so couldnâ€™t graze it. Started today using grass as a pure protein source only. Stretching it out big time and just using as a replacement for Soya. Upping cows silage to 15kg a cow with 5kg in parlour and 2 kg maize in mix. Bringing them in 2 hrs before milking and letting them eat. Cows very content. Luckily I have some first cut left over from last year. Hoping to do a third cut if it doesn't come I'll have to cut numbers according to winter feed. Alot will depend on the whole crop harvest.

Mooooo · 04-07-2018 10:28PM

Hard to know 're winter feed. I have maize ordered since spring so at least that's doing fine. Rang the tillage man growing it and everything else is struggling really,. Wholecrop may be an option but you'd want to know what your buying as grain yield may well be down.
It totally depends on how long this lasts really. If rain came here by end of July I may yet make as much silage as second cut may have yielded, it will be managing it and getting it made as grass will come in a burst again. In the middle of tb testing again so dunno what way I'll be stocked till 2 weeks time so will assess things again then

freedominacup · 04-07-2018 10:37PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Hard to know 're winter feed. I have maize ordered since spring so at least that's doing fine. Rang the tillage man growing it and everything else is struggling really,. Wholecrop may be an option but you'd want to know what your buying as grain yield may well be down.
It totally depends on how long this lasts really. If rain came here by end of July I may yet make as much silage as second cut may have yielded, it will be managing it and getting it made as grass will come in a burst again. In the middle of tb testing again so dunno what way I'll be stocked till 2 weeks time so will assess things again then

Buy wholecrop by the tonne and test it. Fairest on everyone.

older by the day · 04-07-2018 11:58PM

greysides wrote: »

How's everyone getting on with the KT? Anyone finding it useful?

Deadline is the end of July.

It's fairly boring, same ding ding, your are supposed to get 1500 Euro, teagasc take 750, vet 130 I think, cell check took 40. They like you to keep walking around, bending over, looking at the grass so everyone can ride the farmer. and god help you if you want compare prices of ration or fertilizer. Bit like d glas scheme everyone has to be paid, and wait and cross your fingers that you will get some next year.

Burning Tires · 05-07-2018 12:21AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

It is what it is lots feed going in but a big hole going to be left in winter feed bank .wonder what the plan is to gather enough feed for winter as in all likelihood there’s bound to be more weather woes during summer and back end farm will take longer to recover when rain comes too as moisture deficit so deep and picking any spare fodder or feed up in that part of country for such a large herd won’t be simple

I think they should consider culling/selling any animal that has any issue. If they had 5% less mouths to feed for the rest of the year, it might help massively. It looks like David the manager might have that idea if hes condition scoreing and looking at milk test results.

Waffletraktor · 05-07-2018 12:25AM

freedominacup wrote: »

Mooooo wrote: »

Hard to know 're winter feed. I have maize ordered since spring so at least that's doing fine. Rang the tillage man growing it and everything else is struggling really,. Wholecrop may be an option but you'd want to know what your buying as grain yield may well be down.
It totally depends on how long this lasts really. If rain came here by end of July I may yet make as much silage as second cut may have yielded, it will be managing it and getting it made as grass will come in a burst again. In the middle of tb testing again so dunno what way I'll be stocked till 2 weeks time so will assess things again then

Buy wholecrop by the tonne and test it. Fairest on everyone.

Straws pushing 175£ ton for wheat in sw U.K and rising as spring crops / early winters were shyte.

mahoney_j · 05-07-2018 07:02AM

Burning Tires wrote: »

I think they should consider culling/selling any animal that has any issue. If they had 5% less mouths to feed for the rest of the year, it might help massively. It looks like David the manager might have that idea if hes condition scoreing and looking at milk test results.

Careful now with a suggestion like that !!!!

Say my name · 05-07-2018 08:31AM

To risk the ire of ...

What's the difference in farms that normally import most of their cows feed onto their farms in a normal year and grass based farms that have now been forced into that situation.

Same thing isn't it.

I don't see why one should destock and not the other. Maybe I'm reading this wrong and they're all destocking.

Maybe there's no destocking going on at all.

Still doesn't sit well with me when comfortable people call for one's under stress to destock. But then this is a free and warts and all forum.

yosemitesam1 · 05-07-2018 08:53AM

Say my name wrote: »

To risk the ire of ...

What's the difference in farms that normally import most of their cows feed onto their farms in a normal year and grass based farms that have now been forced into that situation.

Same thing isn't it.

I don't see why one should destock and not the other. Maybe I'm reading this wrong and they're all destocking.

Maybe there's no destocking going on at all.

Still doesn't sit well with me when comfortable people call for one's under stress to destock. But then this is a free and warts and all forum.

Nobody's calling on anyone to destock, merely suggesting it as one of the easiest ways to help anyone who's definitely going to be short of winter feed improve there situation

mahoney_j · 05-07-2018 08:54AM

Say my name wrote: »

To risk the ire of ...

What's the difference in farms that normally import most of their cows feed onto their farms in a normal year and grass based farms that have now been forced into that situation.

Same thing isn't it.

I don't see why one should destock and not the other. Maybe I'm reading this wrong and they're all destocking.

Maybe there's no destocking going on at all.

Still doesn't sit well with me when comfortable people call for one's under stress to destock. But then this is a free and warts and all forum.

More cold cider and 99s needed
And I ain’t adding fuel to a fire that u want to throw petrol on
Only comment I’ll make to your obvious little childish digs is grass ain’t growing and ain’t going to grow for forseable silage meant for next winter/spring/autumn been fed out (its already very scarce )and extra meal and straights been fed daily .sourcing fodder going to be very hard ,straw scarce and dear options thin on ground most have lots heifers comming thru so cutting Sr andcreducing demand is very viable solution but hey sure what do I know
Local factory booked solid for a week due to influx of cows and marts are seeing rapidly increasing no’s going thru the ring ,there facts and reality even a certain joe Patton wrote an article in some Tegasc magazine that came through the door yesterday and he’s a well respected advisor
As I said were all in same boat me included so all options on the table

whelan2 · 05-07-2018 09:03AM

Say my name wrote: »

To risk the ire of ...

What's the difference in farms that normally import most of their cows feed onto their farms in a normal year and grass based farms that have now been forced into that situation.

Same thing isn't it.

I don't see why one should destock and not the other. Maybe I'm reading this wrong and they're all destocking.

Maybe there's no destocking going on at all.

Still doesn't sit well with me when comfortable people call for one's under stress to destock. But then this is a free and warts and all forum.

A few months ago when the weather was the opposite of what it is now I got rid of any excess cows it took the pressure off big time. It's up to each individual farmer to do what they think is best in their own situation. No one is telling anyone what to do. I know from dealing with our wet farm what it feels like to not want to go outside and face hungry stock. Very stressful.

Mooooo · 05-07-2018 09:25AM

It's a situation where all options should be looked at. Depends on everyone's situation but I would view destocking as a last resort and would be viewing every avenue to source feed for the winter first. Destocking at deflated prices and looking to up numbers again can be just as or more expensive as buying in feed. Of course it'll have to be found first

kevthegaff · 05-07-2018 09:55AM

I think me and moo could be involuntary de stocked over the following weeks ðŸ˜£

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