Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

Frank Bullitt · 28-06-2018 02:23PM

Merc are still pushing the development on their car very hard.

skipper_G · 28-06-2018 02:23PM

chicorytip wrote: »

He's been with Red Bull for a long period now so a switch to McLaren (if Alonso leaves) would at least give him number one driver status as well as a hefty pay increase.

It all depends on what has more value to him, money or a chance to win. If it's the latter then rule Mclaren out. They are not winning anything anytime soon

Frank Bullitt · 28-06-2018 03:56PM

billybonkers · 28-06-2018 04:03PM

Apparently Ricciardo has got the same deal as Max

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/8uhs5v/ricciardo_has_decided_remains_in_red_bull_with_a/

flazio · 28-06-2018 04:08PM

I'll be glad to see the back of all that rubbish next season.
Meanwhile, it's hard to see which British team is in worse condition, McLaren or Williams. There's something about Williams current situation that reminds me so much about the last days of Tyrell. When I started following F1 in the late 90s they were just another back marker with pay drivers, I had no idea about their heritage, all while Williams were dominating alongside Benneton. Now Williams are in the same boat. I hear Andretti is sniffing around F1, perhaps Frank is wondering if Claire is capable of bringing the team forward. Tough times still to come.

Frank Bullitt · 28-06-2018 04:50PM

flazio wrote: »

I'll be glad to see the back of all that rubbish next season.
Meanwhile, it's hard to see which British team is in worse condition, McLaren or Williams. There's something about Williams current situation that reminds me so much about the last days of Tyrell. When I started following F1 in the late 90s they were just another back marker with pay drivers, I had no idea about their heritage, all while Williams were dominating alongside Benneton. Now Williams are in the same boat. I hear Andretti is sniffing around F1, perhaps Frank is wondering if Claire is capable of bringing the team forward. Tough times still to come.

The other rather sad rumour is that Paddy Lowe is expected to leave the team soon.

Its very sad for Williams, the car is fundamentally flawed and they dont even have a decent driver to help get them back up there either.

mickdw · 28-06-2018 06:22PM

I thought Williams had a fairly strong business alongside f1 that would keep them ticking over.
I'd imagine they are strong enough to keep it going. Don't they get a nice slice of the money as well for heritage reasons.
Paddy lowe situation is strange.
Why did he go there? Is there any truth in the speculation re the team being run into the gutter to enable a takeover?

skipper_G · 28-06-2018 06:36PM

mickdw wrote: »

I thought Williams had a fairly strong business alongside f1 that would keep them ticking over.
I'd imagine they are strong enough to keep it going. Don't they get a nice slice of the money as well for heritage reasons.
Paddy lowe situation is strange.
Why did he go there? Is there any truth in the speculation re the team being run into the gutter to enable a takeover?

They get an extra 10 million heritage bonus afaik

meeeeh · 28-06-2018 08:45PM

Williams is going downhill since they refused BMW buyout. As it turns out that decision was probably right but it's also the last time they had strong engine partner and I would assume considerable technical and financial support. They don't have money, sponsors or engine partners to compete with big teams in the time of significant rule changes.

PopePalpatine · 28-06-2018 08:56PM

flazio wrote: »

I'll be glad to see the back of all that rubbish next season.
Meanwhile, it's hard to see which British team is in worse condition, McLaren or Williams. There's something about Williams current situation that reminds me so much about the last days of Tyrell. When I started following F1 in the late 90s they were just another back marker with pay drivers, I had no idea about their heritage, all while Williams were dominating alongside Benneton. Now Williams are in the same boat. I hear Andretti is sniffing around F1, perhaps Frank is wondering if Claire is capable of bringing the team forward. Tough times still to come.

Conversely, McLaren's situation reminds me of Brabham's swan song after they switched back from a disastrous Yamaha deal in 1991.

Jordan 199 · 28-06-2018 09:15PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Conversely, McLaren's situation reminds me of Brabham's swan song after they switched back from a disastrous Yamaha deal in 1991.

Jordan had a horrific time with them too.

The only positive thing about those Yamaha V12's is that they were free.

flazio · 28-06-2018 10:04PM

Wait, a keyboard manufacturer made F1 engines? Or tried to anyway?

Harika · 28-06-2018 10:09PM

flazio wrote: »

Wait, a keyboard manufacturer made F1 engines? Or tried to anyway?

Marine engine manufacturer please https://m.yamaha-motor.eu/ie/products/water/marine-engines/

elperello · 28-06-2018 11:30PM

They also won Le Mans

https://www.carolenash.com/insidebikes/reviews/yamaha/yamaha-teams-dominant-thrilling-le-mans-24-hour-endurance-race/

El_Duderino 09 · 29-06-2018 08:00AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Williams is going downhill since they refused BMW buyout. As it turns out that decision was probably right but it's also the last time they had strong engine partner and I would assume considerable technical and financial support. They don't have money, sponsors or engine partners to compete with big teams in the time of significant rule changes.

They’re losing martini next year so I agree on the sponsorship point, but they’ve had the best engine in the grid since 2014. They did very well in 2014 with the engine advantage. Reasonably regular podiums that season. But down hill rapidly ever since.

El_Duderino 09 · 29-06-2018 08:02AM

chicorytip wrote: »

He's been with Red Bull for a long period now so a switch to McLaren (if Alonso leaves) would at least give him number one driver status as well as a hefty pay increase.

It’s t would. But it would also mean giving up on a championship or even winning races for the duration of his McLaren contract.

And then it would be a case of hoping he gets a top drive or hoping McLaren comes good again by the end of his contract.

In truth, I think he’ll stay with red bull. They have him by the short and curlys so I hope they try to keep him happy with a decent deal.

AMKC · 29-06-2018 11:00AM

Anyone got any pictures of the Mercedes wing mirror update?

Also does anyone think the cars sound louder this weekend. Just watching the Toro Rosso there and it sounded great.

skipper_G · 29-06-2018 11:21AM

AMKC wrote: »

Anyone got any pictures of the Mercedes wing mirror update?

Also does anyone think the cars sound louder this weekend. Just watching the Toro Rosso there and it sounded great.

There's a few pics of the wings in this piece
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-unleashes-biggest-f1-update-in-austria-1052812/

Frank Bullitt · 29-06-2018 11:35AM

Kubicas wheel, he now uses one shifter on one side of the wheel. Push away and pull forward to change gear.

billybonkers · 29-06-2018 04:57PM

Leclerc has apparently done a deal with Ferrari for next year!

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/leclerc-non-possiamo-aspettarci-q3-weekend-389920.html

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 29-06-2018 06:41PM

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Jordan 199 · 29-06-2018 07:28PM

^ I can't see Kubica getting a full time drive in F1 anymore.

Harika · 29-06-2018 10:26PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Leclerc has apparently done a deal with Ferrari for next year!

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/leclerc-non-possiamo-aspettarci-q3-weekend-389920.html

Funny how ferrari changed, some years ago when massa was far heavier struggling and bianchi shining, montezemolo shut rumours of bianchi down, because he hadn't won anything in F1 yet.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-06-2018 02:20PM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

^ I can't see Kubica getting a full time drive in F1 anymore.

Yeah really. I think his return was always more about what we’d like to see than what was ever likely to happen.

Even IF he is still fast and still has the nerve to be a top driver, he was passed over by 2 teams who gave him a proper test. He was passed up for a talented young driver at Renault and an ordinary pay driver at Williams. There are so many young drivers with either talent or money that it’s highly unlikely anyone will take a chance on an ageing driver who used to be very good a decade ago, had an accident which left him with physical impairment AND doesn’t bring any money.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-06-2018 02:24PM

If this LeClerc story is true then I have to admit I was completely wrong. I thought Ferrari would continue the conservative approach to drivers that they’ve taken ever since I’ve been watching.

I’ve often wondered why they bothered having an academy if they only go for experienced drivers who’ve been around the block anyway

skipper_G · 30-06-2018 02:27PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If this LeClerc story is true then I have to admit I was completely wrong. I thought Ferrari would continue the conservative approach to drivers that they’ve taken ever since I’ve been watching.

I’ve often wondered why they bothered having an academy if they only go for experienced drivers who’ve been around the block anyway

I wasn't sure if they would have the guts to do it. Actually glad to be proven wrong. He deserves to be at the front, he just has all the ingredients for a superstar

El_Duderino 09 · 30-06-2018 03:17PM

skipper_G wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If this LeClerc story is true then I have to admit I was completely wrong. I thought Ferrari would continue the conservative approach to drivers that they’ve taken ever since I’ve been watching.

I’ve often wondered why they bothered having an academy if they only go for experienced drivers who’ve been around the block anyway

I wasn't sure if they would have the guts to do it. Actually glad to be proven wrong. He deserves to be at the front, he just has all the ingredients for a superstar

Couldn't agree more.

Red bull have done it with their drivers in recent times. They have given youth a chance and equally are willing to throw those youth out in their ear if they come come up to snuff. I think it's a harsh policy but they now have probably the best young driver lineup on the grid. And they were both on a pittance until verstappen signed a proper deal last year.

Ferrari were way at the other end of the spectrum. Only buying in proven older drivers.

Delighted for Ferrari and leclerc.

Jordan 199 · 01-07-2018 06:08PM

I had a look at the constructors championship:

5th: Haas: 49 points.

6th: McLaren: 44 points.

7th: Force India: 42 points.

It's going to be interesting to see which team finishes fifth in the standings at the end of the season.

AMKC · 01-07-2018 07:10PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If this LeClerc story is true then I have to admit I was completely wrong. I thought Ferrari would continue the conservative approach to drivers that they’ve taken ever since I’ve been watching.

I’ve often wondered why they bothered having an academy if they only go for experienced drivers who’ve been around the block anyway

If this LeClerc story is true who do you think Sauber will get to replace him?

Who should Sauber get to replace Leclerc if the rumours of him going to Ferrari are true?

skipper_G · 01-07-2018 07:14PM

AMKC wrote: »

If this LeClerc story is true who do you think Sauber will get to replace him?

Who should Sauber get to replace Leclerc if the rumours of him going to Ferrari are true?

In keeping with the close Ferrari relationship, Giovinazzi is probably a fair shout. Unless they go looking for an F2 or GP3 graduate with cash behind them

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