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Pressure mounts on Kathleen Kennedy to step down as head of Lucas Film?
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HandsomeBob wrote: »Imagine wanting a franchise to fail.....actually wait a minute it's pretty easy going by this forum alone!
Ah give over :rolleyes:
Don't mistake some harmless, reasoned gabbing over the rise or fall of Hollywood franchises, for the ravenous hysteria from a nasty, entitled corner of Star Wars fandom that's spoiling for a fight at every juncture. 0 -
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I have absolutely no doubt about YouTube’s astonishing reach and influence.
I am, however, also very concerned about how as a platform it encourages quantity over quality; how it favours hyperbole and hysterics over all else; how there are few ethical or editorial standards; how its recommendations algorithms push users towards ever more extreme variations of the content.
YouTube is going nowhere, and obviously there’s ‘good content’ among the waves of bad (huge discrepancies in approach across individual channels). While the democratisation of media brings drawbacks, there’s also benefits. But it’s also a troubling platform in many respects, and certainly a long, long way to go before it matches - let alone surpasses - traditional media outlets in terms of quality and trustworthiness... if it ever gets there 0 -
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Ah give over :rolleyes: Don't mistake some harmless, reasoned gabbing over the rise or fall of Hollywood franchises, for the ravenous hysteria from a nasty, entitled corner of Star Wars fandom that's spoiling for a fight at every juncture.
Personally I've always been in favour of artistic licence. While people were going nuts about the changes Snyder was making in the DCEU as if they were ruining their childhood, I was very much relaxed about it.
I just find it amusing that those same people who were going nuts about that are the same people having digs at Star Wars fans for being deranged.
As I said I'm all for artistic licence so I don't get the behaviour of some Star Wars fans, but the hypocrisy is giving me some buzz.
As for Grace, I find her to be quite good for a YT personality. Probably the least irritating "reaction" type vlogger in the genre.0 -
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Arne_Saknussem wrote: »Rian Johnson's taken more hate than the rest of the cast & Lucasfilm put together.
Bahahahahahhahahaha!
On a slightly more serious note: Jar. Jar. Binks.
Explain to me again this "Johnson is the First Amongst The Hated" idea?
Slightly more seriously again: I would love to see some statistically validated evidence for that. I suspect there's a great deal of "let's ignore all responses to the Prequel Trilogy" thinking going on for anyone who seriously believes this idea.0 -
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Arne_Saknussem wrote: »I meant in regards to the Kennedy era films.
"If we ignore all the stuff that contradicts me, everything supports my (baseless) assertion"
Even if it is the worst-received Kennedy-era film, the idea that TLJ is somehow worse received than, say, The Phantom Boredo-er,Menace is possibly more farfetched than any of the ideas underpinning the Star Wars franchise.
Exactly how does TLJ, "badly" received to the tune of $1.3B worldwide, have any bearing on Kennedy's imminent job loss? Most reviews show it pretty well received, and the box office supports this. Spurious Youtube videos aside, do you have any reason beside "I don't want him to" for Rian Johnson not to proceed with his new trilogy?0 -
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"If we ignore all the stuff that contradicts me, everything supports my (baseless) assertion"
Even if it is the worst-received Kennedy-era film, the idea that TLJ is somehow worse received than, say, The Phantom Boredo-er,Menace is possibly more farfetched than any of the ideas underpinning the Star Wars franchise.
Exactly how does TLJ, "badly" received to the tune of $1.3B worldwide, have any bearing on Kennedy's imminent job loss? Most reviews show it pretty well received, and the box office supports this. Spurious Youtube videos aside, do you have any reason beside "I don't want him to" for Rian Johnson not to proceed with his new trilogy?
No, I was replying to a post that implied that Kathleen Kennedy's gender was the reason why she was receiving flak about her stewardship on a thread about if Kathleen Kennedy should step down as head of Lucasfilm. You think i should focus on the prequels rather than the films the thread was created for?
4 of the 6 films she's been in charge for have had directors appointed and then sacked, including Josh Trank for the Fett film. I think it's reasonable to ask questions about that seeing as her career before was based on being an executive producer for films made by the creators of the box office blockbuster like Speilberg and Lucasl not making creative decisions which she's obviously having problems with.
Forbes had Jurassic world's $1.7bn as the base target for TLJ but it's record 2nd week falloff saw it fall below expectations and the fallout from it saw Solo tank and see a box office loss of hundreds of milions of dollars. A Star wars film that lost hundreds of millions of dollars?
She's turned a franchise that was basically a licence to print money, with the original cast returning, into one that not only does not dominate the box offfice but one that investors can't rely on and that's why people are asking if she should leave.
And a Rian Johnson trilogy, which won't happen, would perform worse at the box office than Solo.0 -
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Solo made a loss at the box office, yeah. Not hundreds of millions, but a loss.
Solo is losing hundreds of millions at the box office, claiming it's not means you don't know what you're talking about.Trying to position this as fallout from The Last Jedi is laughable. If TLJ was the problem, why was that a hit?
TLJ's opening weekend had it on target for $1.7bn+ predictions(actually $1.9bn), but the film sucked so much balls that it had the biggest 2nd week falloff in the history of cinema as the usual repeat viewers didn't go back.
You have to acutally see something before you can tell it's ****e, first Star Wars film to properly feature Hamill in 40 years predictably fell off after people saw it was so bad it made other films worse.
Trying to position this as fallout from The Last Jedi is laughable.
Trying to pretend that a Star Wars film lost hundreds of millions & tanked across the world due to "Star Wars fatigue" or any other reason is what's laughable
And since this is Disney, they don't even require big box office, just ongoing success to keep the movies in the public eye and keep the toys and rides going.
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Taking the biggest IP in the history and running it into the ground in 3 years is not success, even if it is kinda impressive. :pac:
The toys aren't selling they're rotting on shelves, sales & orders from manufacturers are down massively. The graphs for the saga & standalone films are also pointing sharply towards the floor.
That's not a record that leads to people being sacked.
People have been sacked for a lot less than turning Star Wars into loss maker.0 -
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Variety says expected revenue of 450 off costs of about 400, Bloomberg and Hollywood Reporter predict losses of about 50.
I'm sure there's a youtuber out there claiming losses of several billion.
The Last Jedi made about 400 million profit, the most of any movie last year. I don't think the investors are wailing that a movie featuring Mark ! Hamill! should have made more.
So here we are, one movie made by the evil and incompetent Rian Johnson, full of SJW cooties and disrespect for the heroes of the original trilogy.
And one movie featuring a straight white male hero, backstory, and directed by the safe pair of hands himself.
One movie was a massive success, the other was a failure. Unfortunately for your argument, the wrong ones.
I never mentioned the term SJW or anyones race.
I said Solo suffered because TLJ was ****e, but continue to argue against things you're just making up if it makes you happy.
And if costs were $400m then it needs to make minimum $750m odd at the box office to break even(cinema's pocket 40-45% depending on region). It's currently at $357,278,262 worldwide.0 -
Arne_Saknussem wrote: »I never mentioned the term SJW or anyones race.
I said Solo suffered because TLJ was ****e, but continue to argue against things you're just making up if it makes you happy.
And if costs were $400m then it needs to make minimum $750m odd at the box office to break even(cinema's pocket 40-45% depending on region). It's currently at $357,278,262 worldwide.
You might not have, but it's a recurring theme in criticism of TLJ. You can argue with Variety about the numbers for Solo, I don't really care. You are still onto a losing argument if you are claiming that Solo is a box office failure because of TLJ, when TLJ (and Rogue One, which had many similar criticisms) was a huge success.0 -
You might not have, but it's a recurring theme in criticism of TLJ. You can argue with Variety about the numbers for Solo, I don't really care. You are still onto a losing argument if you are claiming that Solo is a box office failure because of TLJ, when TLJ (and Rogue One, which had many similar criticisms) was a huge success.
Variety's figure of $400m(promotional budget usually mirrors original production budget which was $125, added to eventual production spend which was "north of $250m" according to Forbes) sounds plausible to me.
A lot of fans didn't like TLJ, people talk about fans not turning up to the next film in a franchise after not liking the last one like it's a pie in the sky theory
What's the reason Solo is currently at less than a 3rd of the gross of Rogue One in your opinion?0 -
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