So who's going to see the Pope?

25-06-2018 9:30pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Very original. Even if it was true it’s better than standing on street corners harassing people.

While the secularist, atheist and Christian not-so-free market pushers harrass us not merely on street corners pushing their "Buy, buy, buy" fundamentalist capitalist propaganda shít but in every area of society including in our own homes via tv and radio to an extent I for one have never, ever endured from any religious group.

Suppose it's not fashionable in After Hours to object to all these consumerist fundamentalists pushing their environment-destroying needless shíte everywhere so focus instead on the near has-been power of the RCC as the great evil of 2018.

Mint Sauce · 25-06-2018 9:32pm

About 248,000 taken up about 7pm. Up take slower than I thought.

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 9:33pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

While the secularist, atheist and Christian not-so-free market pushers harrass us not merely on street corners pushing their "Buy, buy, buy" fundamentalist capitalist propaganda shít but in every area of society including in our own homes via tv and radio to an extent I for one have never, ever endured from any religious group.

Suppose it's not fashionable in After Hours to object to all these consumerist fundamentalists pushing their environment-destroying needless shíte everywhere so focus instead on the near has-been power of the RCC as the great evil of 2018.

You can buy your place in heaven with the RCC. Consumerism at its worst. Praying on the vulnerable.

Hitman3000 · 25-06-2018 9:35pm

Fighting Tao wrote:

Praying on the vulnerable.

'Praying', saw what you did there.

Taytoland · 25-06-2018 9:38pm

seamus wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

The people who constantly shout about tolerance are usually the most intolerant people. By tolerance they mean if only you agree with them. If you fall outside the boundaries of what they believe, you are beyond the pale.

You're so right.

I was walking down O'Connell St yesterday and couldn't go 50 metres without a damn secularist, atheist or liberal talking at me through a microphone about how I should live my life.

Oh, no, wait...

They control the media, so don't worry, it brainwashes as many people equally as well.

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 9:49pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

'Praying', saw what you did there.

Yeah, most RCC defenders don’t normally understand when it’s spelled ‘preying’.

jigglypuffstuff · 25-06-2018 9:56pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

go on so for the laugh.

Where do you want me to begin

Pick a quote by all means

CastNoShadow · 25-06-2018 9:58pm

Whatever your opinion of the Catholic Church, snapping up tickets that might mean an individual person misses out is pretty nasty

K.Flyer · 25-06-2018 10:03pm

abff wrote: »

I don't see how anyone could argue with what Stephen Fry said there. As a challenge, is anyone able to come up with a sensible rebuttal? One that doesn't involve either shooting the messenger or falling back on the old "God moves in mysterious ways and how can we poor mortals hope to understand him" argument.

pone2012 wrote: »

It's easily rebuttable and Stephen Fry is both idiotic and hypocritical at the same time

,(I'll gladly elaborate if you so wish)

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

go on so for the laugh.

And still nothing...

Berserker · 25-06-2018 10:08pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well that's a new one on me how someone can be catholic and not recognise Frank as the leader, but hey you seem to be the expert on all things catholic even though you aren't one.

Because they are catholic and not Roman Catholic. The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic church.

gctest50 · 25-06-2018 10:14pm

CastNoShadow wrote: »

Whatever your opinion of the Catholic Church, snapping up tickets that might mean an individual person misses out is pretty nasty

have over 9000

jigglypuffstuff · 25-06-2018 10:25pm

K.Flyer wrote: »

And still nothing...

Pick a quote.... there's too much b*llsh*t in that rant to address in a post.

CastNoShadow · 25-06-2018 10:30pm

pone2012 wrote: »

Pick a quote.... there's too much b*llsh*t in that rant to address in a post.

Someone once described Stephen Fry as a stupid persons idea of an intelligent person. That video proves it.

pcuser · 25-06-2018 10:30pm

CastNoShadow wrote: »

Whatever your opinion of the Catholic Church, snapping up tickets that might mean an individual person misses out is pretty nasty

I have well over 1K now

I will give them away for free to anyone that donates to one of my chosen charities. They obviously pay for the postage

and paypal fees.

Donald Trump · 25-06-2018 10:30pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

You can buy your place in heaven with the RCC. Consumerism at its worst. Praying on the vulnerable.

Is that right?

Maybe you just paid a bit of attention to your JC history up until around hte Reformation and kinda got stuck at that part.

I think you might be mixing them up with the Protestant Evangelical TV scam artists over in the US and beyond

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 10:41pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Is that right?

Maybe you just paid a bit of attention to your JC history up until around hte Reformation and kinda got stuck at that part.

I think you might be mixing them up with the Protestant Evangelical TV scam artists over in the US and beyond

Oh. Sorry. I forgot you can just say sorry too. However, some people find it easier to part with cash than apologise.

eviltwin · 25-06-2018 10:42pm

CastNoShadow wrote: »

Whatever your opinion of the Catholic Church, snapping up tickets that might mean an individual person misses out is pretty nasty

Loads left, they aren't exactly being snapped up. Plenty of time for anyone with a genuine interest to get one.

Donald Trump · 25-06-2018 10:43pm

pcuser wrote: »

I have well over 1K now I will give them away for free to anyone that donates to one of my chosen charities. They obviously pay for the postage and paypal fees.

Knock yourself out.

I reckon that once the 500k limit is hit, they'll just expand it a few hundred thousand more anyway, safe in the knowledge that not everyone will turn up.

And sure, the history books will reflect the massive interest in tickets for his visit. Numbers will be nicely pumped up by the likes of yourself :pac:

It's just sad that you'd be so petty as to gain sanctification out of trying to ruin something for someone else who never did anything on you.

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 10:43pm

eviltwin wrote: »

Loads left, they aren't exactly being snapped up. Plenty of time for anyone with a genuine interest to get one.

Yep. The pope is no Garth Brooks. He can’t even give the tickets away it seems.

Donald Trump · 25-06-2018 10:46pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Oh. Sorry. I forgot you can just say sorry too. However, some people find it easier to part with cash than apologise.

Give us an example of how "You can buy your place in heaven with the RCC".

Go on. Tell us how it works.

Couldn't be that you're talking ignorant shite could it? :pac:

Because I can give you plenty of examples of Evangelicals from the US doing it blatantly and overtly. Surely you can explain to me how the RCC does it?

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 10:49pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Give us an example of how "You can buy your place in heaven with the RCC".

Go on. Tell us how it works.

Couldn't be that you're talking ignorant shite could it? :pac:

Because I can give you plenty of examples of Evangelicals from the US doing it blatantly and overtly. Surely you can explain to me how the RCC does it?

Hand over money for favours from god. Simples.

You are getting very worked up over this thread. There was me thinking that Donald Trump was a Presbyterian.

Graces7 · 25-06-2018 10:49pm

CastNoShadow wrote: »

Whatever your opinion of the Catholic Church, snapping up tickets that might mean an individual person misses out is pretty nasty

As it is meant and intended to be :rolleyes:

Donald Trump · 25-06-2018 10:51pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Hand over money for favours from god. Simples.

You are getting very worked up over this thread. There was me thinking that Donald Trump was a Presbyterian.

Ah so you have no examples.

Thought so

:pac:

Shouldn't have fallen asleep in the middle of JC year history. You should educate yourself me oul' pal before writing stuff in public that could make you seems like an awful ignorant eejit altogether

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 10:51pm

Graces7 wrote: »

As it is meant and intended to be :rolleyes:

So what about the state I.e. all us tax payers contributing to the popes trip? Still not happening in your world?

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 10:53pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ah so you have no examples.

Thought so

:pac:

Shouldn't have fallen asleep in the middle of JC year history. You should educate yourself me oul' pal before writing stuff in public that could make you seems like an awful ignorant eejit altogether

That’s all mad coming from yourself. But sure you stay nice.

By the way, I did give you an example.

Donald Trump · 25-06-2018 10:56pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

That’s all mad coming from yourself. But sure you stay nice.

By the way, I did give you an example.

As I said, you have no examples. You gave a somewhat loose Junior Certificate definition of Indulgences without saying the word. But no examples of such a thing existing in current times.

You made a stupid untrue statement and have nothing to back it up. Persisting with it, is not helping your case

Should be easy to tell us the details? No? How much it takes to buy our way into Heaven and to whom do we send it to? Is there an official form that I can download online?

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 11:01pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

As I said, you have no examples. You gave a somewhat loose Junior Certificate definition of Indulgences without saying the word. But no examples of such a thing existing in current times.

You made a stupid untrue statement and have nothing to back it up.

Should be easy to tell us the details? No? How much it takes to buy our way into Heaven and to whom do we send it to? Is there an official form that I can download online?

Unfortunately the church doesn’t like filling out forms any more. Otherwise they would have to report smaller membership numbers. You should ask your bishop about ‘donations’.

Since you were too lazy to look it up I’ve decided to help you. https://www.aol.com/2009/02/10/buy-your-way-to-heaven-the-catholic-church-brings-back-indulgen/

So I’ll await your apology for being a complete arsehole to me.

Donald Trump · 25-06-2018 11:07pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Unfortunately the church doesn’t like filling out forms any more. Otherwise they would have to report smaller membership numbers. You should ask your bishop about ‘donations’.

This is great. You keep sticking with the same ignorant line. I'm getting great craic out of this.

If some fella was asking you for money to get into Heaven, he might not have been a religious person, might just have been zoning in on an easy target and decided to deviate from his usual "Euro for a bus" shtick. So the next time that he asks you, don't give it to him

There are no monetary Indulgences. There never were official monetary Indulgences however in the Middle-Ages the concept of Indulgences were abused in order to take money from people.

But you do know we aren't in the Middle-Ages anymore? Right?

Just checking

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 11:08pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

This is great. You keep sticking with the same ignorant line. I'm getting great craic out of this.

If some fella was asking you for money to get into Heaven, he might not have been a religious person, might just have been zoning in on an easy target and decided to deviate from his usual "Euro for a bus" shtick. So the next time that he asks you, don't give it to him

There are no monetary Indulgences. There never were official monetary Indulgences however in the Middle-Ages the concept of Indulgences were abused in order to take money from people.

But you do know we aren't in the Middle-Ages anymore? Right?

Just checking

Good job on quoting half my post.

Donald Trump · 25-06-2018 11:11pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Good job on quoting half my post.

I quoted all of what was there when I started to reply.

It was only after I submitted mine that I saw you had edited it to include some random article.

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 11:15pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

I quoted all of what was there when I started to reply.

It was only after I submitted mine that I saw you had edited it to include some random article.

Still waiting for the apology. Although like the church I’ll take cash and I’ll even donate it to the LGBT. charity in order to get you one of those tickets from the earlier poster. Some sins are bigger than an apology!

Donald Trump · 25-06-2018 11:19pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Still waiting for the apology. Although like the church I’ll take cash and I’ll even donate it to the LGBT. charity in order to get you one of those tockets from the earlier poster. Some sins are bigger than an apology!

I did not mean to be an arsehole to you but I still hold my points even if I did not express them in the most civil manner.

The article that you gave is a random unverified and has no references.

Surely if any Church was offering monetary indulgences, they would be advertising same? No? What would be the point of running some scam but then not advertising it.

It doesn't happen.

AllForIt · 25-06-2018 11:19pm

I though there was some controversy that he was due to visit before the abortion referendum? What happened here, was the ref set back before the visit or was his visit plans set forward?

verycool · 25-06-2018 11:19pm

I think it's time to stop and consider the Lily...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjrn4dXE2yI

Fighting Tao · 25-06-2018 11:27pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

I did not mean to be an arsehole to you but I still hold my points even if I did not express them in the most civil manner.

The article that you gave is a random unverified and has no references.

Surely if any Church was offering monetary indulgences, they would be advertising same? No? What would be the point of running some scam but then not advertising it.

It doesn't happen.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyregion/10indulgence.html?ref=us

There are links to references in that article. But is still doesn’t happen because you didn’t know about it. That’s why I said to talk to your bishop.

ETA: lack of Common knowledge doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I know of a pastoral centre that never advertises that it hires rooms for meetings. Most people don’t know it does but it’s still booked out most of the time.

Donald Trump · 26-06-2018 12:10am

Fighting Tao wrote: »

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyregion/10indulgence.html?ref=us

There are links to references in that article. But is still doesn’t happen because you didn’t know about it. That’s why I said to talk to your bishop.

ETA: lack of Common knowledge doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I know of a pastoral centre that never advertises that it hires rooms for meetings. Most people don’t know it does but it’s still booked out most of the time.

Look, as I said monetary indulgences were never an official policy but were abused by people within the Church in the Middle ages. Your link talks about plenary indulgences which is a broad term. Even then article that you quote says this

You cannot buy one — the church outlawed the sale of indulgences in 1567 — but charitable contributions, combined with other acts, can help you earn one.

"Selling" them been banned since 1567. That's official RCC policy and it's far enough back in history for us to not judge its current leaders on that particular point.

And to preempt a particular point you might make, here is nothing any more sinister with encouraging people to give to charity than it is for the Dali Lama or some Eastern spiritual guru telling people to share and help others less fortunate. Maybe they'll call it Karma or some such thing. Your average person will tell it to their kids to share with those less fortunate.

But you cannot "buy your way into Heaven in the RCC"

taytobreath · 26-06-2018 12:19am

will this all be on the telly?

Fighting Tao · 26-06-2018 12:31am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Look, as I said monetary indulgences were never an official policy but were abused by people within the Church in the Middle ages. Your link talks about plenary indulgences which is a broad term. Even then article that you quote says this

"Selling" them been banned since 1567. That's official RCC policy and it's far enough back in history for us to not judge its current leaders on that particular point.

And to preempt a particular point you might make, here is nothing any more sinister with encouraging people to give to charity than it is for the Dali Lama or some Eastern spiritual guru telling people to share and help others less fortunate. Maybe they'll call it Karma or some such thing. Your average person will tell it to their kids to share with those less fortunate.

But you cannot "buy your way into Heaven in the RCC"

Yeah right...give €x to the diocese charity and well absolve you of your sin and you’ll get into heaven. Doesn’t happen? I’m sure they don’t say go and help the local dog charity and give them €x for absolution.

vicwatson · 26-06-2018 12:44am

taytobreath wrote: »

will this all be on the telly?

You can be sure as shít RTÉ will be all over this like a rash

Chaos Tourist · 26-06-2018 12:45am

taytobreath wrote: »

will this all be on the telly?

Yes. With all those swooping camera angles to give it an epic feel, covered by tremendously excited RTÉ reporters hoping to bag exclusive interviews in the VIP section.

Donald Trump · 26-06-2018 12:53am

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Yeah right...give €x to the diocese charity and well absolve you of your sin and you’ll get into heaven. Doesn’t happen? I’m sure they don’t say go and help the local dog charity and give them €x for absolution.

It's very difficult to have a debate with someone who extrapolates some specific imagined scenario/suspicion to a general claim, without any tangible evidence of either.

There is no basis for your original statement which I quote again below

Fighting Tao wrote: »

You can buy your place in heaven with the RCC. Consumerism at its worst. Praying on the vulnerable.

In fact, the only ones attempting to profit from the "vulnerable" for this event are those on here whom have gleefully admitted to snapping up tickets in the hope of selling them on for either personal profit or to raise money for their own causes

Strazdas · 26-06-2018 12:55am

taytobreath wrote: »

will this all be on the telly?

For certain, yes.

This will be a big news story....I could see the British channels leading with this and having it as their main news item on both days. They had a visit themselves from Benedict in 2010 but Pope Francis would be much more high profile and more popular as a Pope.

taytobreath · 26-06-2018 1:07am

Strazdas wrote: »

For certain, yes.

This will be a big news story....I could see the British channels leading with this and having it as their main news item on both days. They had a visit themselves from Benedict in 2010 but Pope Francis would be much more high profile and more popular as a Pope.

I'm assuming it would be full on live coverage, all day type of thing

WoollyRedHat · 26-06-2018 1:39am

On a serious note.. can you imagine the ques for Comminion?

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 4:04am

Hitman3000 wrote: »

No, no donations solicited or wanted. Just got myself another 8 tickets using my friends email address. 12 empty seats and counting.

You sound both full of yourself and exceptionally bitter.

Look maybe you have reason, i don't know you, if you were abused that's tragic. However if so i think your anger is counter productive and you could be doing a lot more productive things with your time than buying up tickets for a papal visit denying ordinary people of good will a chance to see their spiritual leader, who they consider to be a good man.

Your behaviour is childish and full of conceit.

wonski · 26-06-2018 5:01am

BrownFinger wrote: »

i just got 24
24 more empty seats

It's a standing event! Unless you bring your 24 folding chairs and leave the area nobody will notice your no show

ELM327 · 26-06-2018 8:28am

Fighting Tao wrote: »

If people had to pay for tickets they would have sold out in 30 minutes. Since they are free no once seems to want them. Plenty left.

I had to provide my registration number.
It seems like they accept online ordained "ministers".

Hector Savage · 26-06-2018 9:12am

You know reading through this makes me feel ashamed that I also got 12 tickets to be not used (wasn't serious about eBay)

I complain all the time about the hard left trying to shut down events with Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris etc.

I'm doing no better here, yes the RCC is a rotten institution, yes this is a colossal waste of money, but people should be free to choose.

I would have HOPED people didn't go, but blocking them ????

I didn't think it through, I will offer my tickets to people that genuinely want them - closer to the day.

ELM327 · 26-06-2018 9:14am

Thankfully I know 1800 people who may or may not be going. Perhaps some of them will need your 12 tickets too.

uck51js9zml2yt · 26-06-2018 9:16am

Hitman3000 wrote: »

'Praying', saw what you did there.

He just can't spell!!!

So who's going to see the Pope?

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