Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

weisses · 22-06-2018 10:52AM

skipper_G wrote: »

I'm a massive fan of Leclerc, would love to see it. I can’t help thinking Ferarri won't have the guts to do it even though they should

Vettel doesn't want a teammate who can challenge him.

Kimi is happy with the role he has at Ferrari plus Ferrari is not the team that treats their two drivers equally, something that is why I think Ricciardo is not going there

El_Duderino 09 · 22-06-2018 11:08AM

Gintonious wrote: »

Its mad that we might not have Alonso or Kimi next year, big changes!

And yet nothing would change. In kimi’s case it would actually make things more exciting to see a youngster in his seat. Alonso has been trundling around in the midfield for the last few years. It doesn’t really matter who’s in that seat, it’s just not exciting to watch McLaren on track at the moment.

The sport would lose their profile but it would free up 2 seats for younger drivers.

Frank Bullitt · 22-06-2018 11:15AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And yet nothing would change. In kimi’s case it would actually make things more exciting to see a youngster in his seat. Alonso has been trundling around in the midfield for the last few years. It doesn’t really matter who’s in that seat, it’s just not exciting to watch McLaren on track at the moment.

The sport would lose their profile but it would free up 2 seats for younger drivers.

I like seeing new drivers get their chances, but I dont like seeing them thrown in at the deep end too early and then being chopped.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-06-2018 12:00PM

Gintonious wrote: »

I like seeing new drivers get their chances, but I dont like seeing them thrown in at the deep end too early and then being chopped.

True enough. Who could take the Ferrari seat? It was too much for Fisi and he’s was as experienced as they come.

Part of me thinks the thing that makes Kimi right for the job is the fact that he doesn’t appear to give a sh1t about fame. He ignores the pressure heaped on by the Italians.

I think he probably will stay for another year. Id bet if he leaves it’ll be his choice.

Grosjean is in poor form and I’m not sure who else they could get. Ocon would be a risk and Ferrari are famously risk averse in driver selection.

I’d say they might offer Kimi a little pension sweetener and keep him for next year.

Frank Bullitt · 22-06-2018 12:17PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

True enough. Who could take the Ferrari seat? It was too much for Fisi and he’s was as experienced as they come.

Part of me thinks the thing that makes Kimi right for the job is the fact that he doesn’t appear to give a sh1t about fame. He ignores the pressure heaped on by the Italians.

I think he probably will stay for another year. Id bet if he leaves it’ll be his choice.

Grosjean is in poor form and I’m not sure who else they could get. Ocon would be a risk and Ferrari are famously risk averse in driver selection.

I’d say they might offer Kimi a little pension sweetener and keep him for next year.

Ocon is a Merc driver still, so I doubt they will get rid of him, especially to Ferrari.

Maybe Hulkenberg but he seems happy at Renault as well.

Kimi is the perfect No.2 driver at the minute, solid enough but not fast enough to trouble Vettel. Its being reported in Italy that he is gone anyway, and Leclerc is in the seat for next year.

skipper_G · 22-06-2018 12:35PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Ocon is a Merc driver still, so I doubt they will get rid of him, especially to Ferrari.

Maybe Hulkenberg but he seems happy at Renault as well.

Kimi is the perfect No.2 driver at the minute, solid enough but not fast enough to trouble Vettel. Its being reported in Italy that he is gone anyway, and Leclerc is in the seat for next year.

They don't need to buy in a solid number two or a superstar or anything else, Leclerc is a ready made replacement, the question is just about when it happens. Either Leclerc replaces Kimi for 2019 or 2020.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-06-2018 12:38PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Ocon is a Merc driver still, so I doubt they will get rid of him, especially to Ferrari.

Maybe Hulkenberg but he seems happy at Renault as well.

Kimi is the perfect No.2 driver at the minute, solid enough but not fast enough to trouble Vettel. Its being reported in Italy that he is gone anyway, and Leclerc is in the seat for next year.

Apologies. I meant Leclerc and I think he’s far too green for Ferrari. Hulk might be a good shout to be fair. But his form isn’t brilliant.

Better the divil you know...

Frank Bullitt · 22-06-2018 12:42PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Apologies. I meant Leclerc and I think he’s far too green for Ferrari. Hulk might be a good shout to be fair. But his form isn’t brilliant.

Better the divil you know...

They just need someone who doesnt upset Vettel, hence why Ricciardo wont be near that team while he is there, or while he has a say at least.

meeeeh · 22-06-2018 01:30PM

Gintonious wrote: »

They just need someone who doesnt upset Vettel, hence why Ricciardo wont be near that team while he is there, or while he has a say at least.

But that also means Ricciardo in their opinion at least isn't proven enough or good enough to be worth upsetting Vettel. I wonder how they would react if Max or Hamilton were available. Vettel is a good driver but he is not bigger than Ferrari and considering they decided to push out Schumacher when they wanted Kimi I have no doubt they would be prepared to confront Vettel.

Infoanon · 22-06-2018 01:52PM

McLaren sees itself as a top line team and will want and can pay for a top line driver

recyclebin · 22-06-2018 01:58PM

McLaren need to get rid of Boullier and Brown. They are all talk, no action! The owners pushing Ron Dennis out the door was the biggest mistake they made even if Ron can be an arsehole at times, he knew how to get results.

Frank Bullitt · 22-06-2018 02:12PM

meeeeh wrote: »

But that also means Ricciardo in their opinion at least isn't proven enough or good enough to be worth upsetting Vettel. I wonder how they would react if Max or Hamilton were available. Vettel is a good driver but he is not bigger than Ferrari and considering they decided to push out Schumacher when they wanted Kimi I have no doubt they would be prepared to confront Vettel.

I would see that as the opposite myself. He is very proven at this stage, 7 wins and he beat Vettel in the same car. Thats why they don't want him, he would disturb the order.

Infoanon · 22-06-2018 02:34PM

recyclebin wrote: »

McLaren need to get rid of Boullier and Brown. They are all talk, no action! The owners pushing Ron Dennis out the door was the biggest mistake they made even if Ron can be an arsehole at times, he knew how to get results.

Iirc Ron Dennis regained control from Mansour Ojjeh when he was undergoing a transplant operation and Ron promised to raise the cash to buy out the share holding - when that failed the Bahraini wanted Ron out - business is business after all !

El_Duderino 09 · 22-06-2018 03:03PM

recyclebin wrote: »

McLaren need to get rid of Boullier and Brown. They are all talk, no action! The owners pushing Ron Dennis out the door was the biggest mistake they made even if Ron can be an arsehole at times, he knew how to get results.

Ton Dennis was great back in his day. But he wasn’t as effective in his recent stint. He lost a lot of sponsorship money. For example Jonny walker wanted to give x amount for sponsorship over a number of years. Ron wanted 2 and a half times as much so he ended up with nothing except a sponsorship hole on the car and in the budget.

chicorytip · 22-06-2018 09:15PM

Gintonious wrote:

They just need someone who doesnt upset Vettel, hence why Ricciardo wont be near that team while he is there, or while he has a say at least.

What they really need, of course, is better engineers and strategists.

PukkaStukka · 22-06-2018 10:28PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Gintonious wrote:

They just need someone who doesnt upset Vettel, hence why Ricciardo wont be near that team while he is there, or while he has a say at least.

What they really need, of course, is better engineers and strategists.

Nothing wrong with the engineers. The chassis is good and the engine is the best they've produced in a good while. Would agree though about the strategists.

Conservatory · 25-06-2018 06:40AM

I’d love Perez to get Kimi s seat. I think it’s only fair after years of scratching around doing a decent job for mid table teams.

ELM327 · 25-06-2018 07:50AM

Conservatory wrote: »

I’d love Perez to get Kimi s seat. I think it’s only fair after years of scratching around doing a decent job for mid table teams.

Perez already had his shot at the big time though.

Conservatory · 25-06-2018 07:52AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Perez already had his shot at the big time though.

In a dirt poor car

Harika · 25-06-2018 08:11AM

Conservatory wrote: »

In a dirt poor car

In the last 1 1/2 years Ocon is giving him a good fight and he doesn't really shine out to be picked.

ELM327 · 25-06-2018 08:21AM

I don't think perez is going to get close to any of the 6 good seats (mercedes/ferrari/red bull).

There's probably going to be vettel and leclerc in ferrari next year. Redbull if they lose ricciardo to mercedes will have gasly/sainz up to the main team. Mercedes will keep hamilton and either keep bottas or get ricciardo.

Perez is a good mid table driver but nothing more.

Harika · 25-06-2018 08:49AM

ELM327 wrote: »

I don't think perez is going to get close to any of the 6 good seats (mercedes/ferrari/red bull).

There's probably going to be vettel and leclerc in ferrari next year. Redbull if they lose ricciardo to mercedes will have gasly/sainz up to the main team. Mercedes will keep hamilton and either keep bottas or get ricciardo.

Perez is a good mid table driver but nothing more.

If there is no shock retirement of Hamilton, who I think wants the Schumacher records we won't see much movement in the top teams.
Mercedes are happy with their lineup. Bottas is doing his job well and Lewis might be pokering for more freedom or money. Overall they are leading both championships, so where is the point of changing the lineup?
Ferrari, Vettel is set and Kimi is like Bottas, if he doesn't retire himself, he will stay
RedBull, both might want to get into a Mercedes or Ferrari but all four cockpits look locked up
Renault, happy enough, only Sainz might get pulled back to RedBull
Haas - Steiner said that both drivers are underperforming in the car, so both are on the chopping block. Leclerc might be moved here as stepping stone or Giovanazzi. Grosjean needs to step up or be gone. kmag might be save for now
McLaren - Alonso is pissed so he might go to Indycar or LeMans fulltime as he won't get into a top 3 team again, although there are the rumours of Ferrari still around. Vandoorne is not really shining but with Alonso still giving 100% it is not possible to outshine the car like Leclerc is doing. Lando Norris is in waiting position here, if no race cockpit defo development driver
ForceIndia - as being sold, might be open for drivers with a bigger paycheck than Ocon or Perez. But both bring in sponsorship or a cheaper Mercedes engine so might be safe too
Sauber - If Leclerc moves, Giovanazzi will replace him, Ericcson is still intermingled with the team so will stay
Williams - Bring a paycheck get a ride, although Stroll might want to move his paycheck somewhere else, else both might want to try to get into a different race cockpit up the grid
ToroRosso - Gasly might get the call to RedBull, but expect him to stay. Hartley on the chopping block if his performance doesn't improve.

So wait for Hamilton to sign, then it is on Alonso and Kimi to make a decision.

Harika · 25-06-2018 10:12AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-5871773/McLaren-F1-staff-revolt-25p-chocolate-bars-given-reward-hard-work.html

McLaren seems to be in really deep trouble internally, chocolate bars for overtime doesn't really help the employee happiness what might lead to low performance.

https://www.glassdoor.at/Bewertungen/McLaren-Group-Bewertungen-E967011.htm

That is shockingly low, I wouldn't consider this company to work for with that reviews.

Harika · 25-06-2018 12:22PM

Rumour:
Kimi and Leclerc are swapping cockpits. That saves money for Ferrari and brings the youngster up. Also it keeps one of the biggest names in F1, while bringing popularity to Alfa Romeo.

chicorytip · 25-06-2018 12:22PM

Harika wrote:

So wait for Hamilton to sign, then it is on Alonso and Kimi to make a decision.

Alonso seems keen on a return to Ferrari judging by his recent comments about a certain driver being out of contract at the end of the season. It's not an entirely unlikely scenario but the question is can one team accomodate two "big beasts" not to mention the astronomical wage costs that would be incurred.

Joeface · 25-06-2018 12:44PM

Harika wrote: »

Rumour:
Kimi and Leclerc are swapping cockpits. That saves money for Ferrari and brings the youngster up. Also it keeps one of the biggest names in F1, while bringing popularity to Alfa Romeo.

Would it not be , Kimi Leaves Leclerc moves up and Kyvatt (ferrari driver now after all ) drops in to Sauber . Saves money all round . Sauber get someone who can still score points . Kimi doesn't fell bad about a demontion at the end of his F1 time . Sauber continue to take Marus' money .

Harika · 25-06-2018 12:51PM

Joeface wrote: »

Would it not be , Kimi Leaves Leclerc moves up and Kyvatt (ferrari driver now after all ) drops in to Sauber . Saves money all round . Sauber get someone who can still score points . Kimi doesn't fell bad about a demontion at the end of his F1 time . Sauber continue to take Marus' money .

Don't think Kyvat brings money and from a PR POV, Kimi makes so much more sense than Kyvat. And Kimi likes to race and with a improved Sauber he will be able to fight for points constantly. And it could be a nice farewell season, with the team he once started.

meeeeh · 25-06-2018 01:10PM

Why would Kimi go to Sauber? To replace Alonso moping at the back of the grid? I think he will retire out of F1 and not go to some team at the back of the grid. Anyway is Ericsson bringing any money to Sauber because he is not shinning in comparison to teammate. I don't mind Perez but I think he has a similar reputation to Alonso and not the same talent. He is not a bad driver but not good enough to overcome other reservations and land in top team. I hope for Leclerc in Ferrari, the only worry I have is the pressure driving for the team brings and I think a little older drivers are a bit better at dealing with it.

flazio · 25-06-2018 02:14PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Why would Kimi go to Sauber?

To end his career full circle back where it started.

Harika · 25-06-2018 02:21PM

flazio wrote: »

To end his career full circle back where it started.

And he is not winning races with Ferrari either. :pac:

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