Gay Pride at work

24-06-2018 04:12PM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

The Pride thing is becoming tacky when banks are promoting it.
The time for them to do that was pre 2000 when there was genuinely a lot of disrespect for the gay community. The battle has been won now and corporates are along for the feel good factor. Bit of reputation laundering I suspect, banks are not held in high esteem nowadays and with very good reason.

This is the truest statement in the whole thread

Cabaal · 24-06-2018 04:13PM

end of the road wrote: »

i never said the bank was doing anything illegal. however i do believe it should remain nutral in terms of social issues, like any work place.

its not really a social issue, its something thats perfectly legal in Ireland. The company is just promoting equality.

Do you think promoting equality is bad?

Also, do you think abortion is murder and why did you previously say it was and then wasn't, (since you refuse to answer this question)

_Dara_ · 24-06-2018 04:14PM

wes wrote: »

Equality isn't a political point of view. Pride is apolitical unless your a bigot.

If you’re singled out for not overtly supporting something, it moves into the political realm. Note that not overtly supporting something doesn’t mean you don’t support it.

HappyAsLarE · 24-06-2018 04:15PM

Cabaal wrote: »

its not really a social issue, its something thats perfectly legal in Ireland. The company is just promoting equality.

Do you think promoting equality is bad?

Also, do you think abortion is murder and why did you previously say it was and then wasn't, (since you refuse to answer this question)

While I think equality for LGBT is a must, “promoting equality” can go to far. Think Communism.

wes · 24-06-2018 04:21PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

If you’re singled out for not overtly supporting something, it moves into the political realm. Note that not overtly supporting something doesn’t mean you don’t support it.

Yeah, if someone is being singled out, which is not happening. Its just people trying to paint themselves as being some kind of victim.

Plenty of people were I work aren't taken part in pride events and no one gives a crap. I am not taking part either, and no one has said a word to me. Not a single person cares either way. People can partake in events if they want to or not.

end of the road · 24-06-2018 04:24PM

Cabaal wrote: »

its not really a social issue, its something thats perfectly legal in Ireland.

i never said it was illegal.

Cabaal wrote: »

Do you think promoting equality is bad?

no i don't, but i don't believe decorations/stickers or any other nonsense like that is needed to promote equality. IMO it has the potential to take away from the actual cause and in the odd case, has the potential to lead to a culture of shaming and suspicion toards people who would support such causes, but who wouldn't be interested in sloganry or symbolry.

Fighting Tao · 24-06-2018 04:25PM

It’s great. I work in a multinational. Many different occasions are celebrated for many religions and other things. The decorations only last days and the cake lasts minutes. I don’t care what the celebration is. I can ignore it all and I am happy once it’s a nice cake.

Laphroaig52 · 24-06-2018 04:26PM

Blaas4life wrote: »

What's a lanyard?

It's a bit like a Tracker Mortgage.

_Dara_ · 24-06-2018 04:27PM

wes wrote: »

Yeah, if someone is being singled out, which is not happening. Its just people trying to paint themselves as being some kind of victim.

Plenty of people were I work aren't taken part in pride events and no one gives a crap. I am not taking part either, and no one has said a word to me. Not a single person cares either way. People can partake in events if they want to or not.

We don’t know if the OP is lying or not about his friend’s company. If what he says is true, then people are being judged.

DickSwiveller · 24-06-2018 04:28PM

Cabaal wrote: »

its not really a social issue, its something thats perfectly legal in Ireland. The company is just promoting equality.

Do you think promoting equality is bad?

Also, do you think abortion is murder and why did you previously say it was and then wasn't, (since you refuse to answer this question)

Oh for christ sake, do you think Karl Marx is running the bank?

wes · 24-06-2018 04:32PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

We don’t know if the OP is lying or not about his friend’s company. If what he says is true, then people are being judged.

People lie on the Internet all the time. My general position is not to trust them unless they provide evidence.

BuboBubo · 24-06-2018 05:39PM

Malayalam wrote: »

Follow the Money.

''Target Audiences''...
The Grey Pound = older people
The Pink Pound = LGBT+ people
The Green Pound = Eco-conscious people
The Blue/Purple Pound = Differently-abled people
The Red Pound = Plus-sized aka Curvy people
The Brown Pound = Ethnic minority people.

The answer is usually money.

The Red Pound? Eh!!!

That's it, I'm organising a fat (oops! curvy) day in work. Quarter pounders, doughnuts and milkshakes for all. Accept all of us fatties, pride in our paunches!!! Fat Pride

I've noticed my own workplace organising daft stuff too (HR seem to do nothing else tbh), all for photos and good publicity. Happy smiley employees being photographed - all for the media (social media and local newspapers). It's all corporate bollixology and I'm not into it, I don't get involved at all.

uck51js9zml2yt · 24-06-2018 06:07PM

I worked for a public body and among the pile of contracts, agreements and secrecy acts was a declaration on not treating homosexuals badly.
I thought generally treating your colleagues with respect as set out in my contract would have covered it but they had to be made feel special.
I read the header and left it aside.

24-06-2018 06:15PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A lot of these companies embracing Pride are the very same companies who no longer refer to Christmas, they simply call this period of time "the holidays" so as not to offend any non Christians, inclusiveness me hole.

Should there be a lanyard created with all possible causes included that every single member of staff might be partial to? I certainly would not wear a lanyard which may cause offence to someone in the office.

They brought back Christmas last year though no?

professore · 24-06-2018 06:43PM

leggo wrote: »

Is it though? Or is it more like you hear presenters of football shows talk about how fans of every club complain that commentators and analysts are biased against their own clubs? Like look at repeal for example: I don’t think anyone, whatever side you were on, expected that result. I think most people’s perception was that it was going to be 50-50 either way, and that perception was set - credit where it’s due - by the mainstream media doing its job and airing an equal amount of both sides’ views (even it enraged people on both sides in doing so).

Personally I think, if we’re really breaking it down, it’s more like everyone these days is addicted to likes or thanks or whatever form of praise it is on whatever medium because that’s almost become a form of social currency now. We know we can make much more empassioned compelling points about things we disagree with (and get those precious thumbs up, or trolling, reactions, whatever anyone’s individual kink is) so we seek out arguments over stuff we disagree with and, thus, expose ourselves to it more and wind ourselves up to oblivion.

I’m just as guilty btw, even if I can point it out. Like you perceive boards as not an echo chamber of the current popular opinions, my own current personal perception of boards is that it’s just an echo chamber for gender arguments now and anti-whatever everyone on Twitter likes. And I’m sure that’s not the case, it’s just what I choose to click into subconsciously, so that perception is my own fault. I’m sure I’d have a different view if I spent all my time here floating around the darts or gardening forums.

What I mean about boards is no matter what the topic is you get people who can debate reasonably intelligently on both sides. This is almost non existent on twitter and Facebook where everyone agrees with each other and the level of discourse is incredibly low.

paw patrol · 24-06-2018 07:02PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

We don’t know if the OP is lying or not about his friend’s company. If what he says is true, then people are being judged.

tbh not much I can do...

You are ignoring the fact he could be lying to me ....:pac:

wes wrote: »

People lie on the Internet all the time. My general position is not to trust them unless they provide evidence.

What proof do you need , Thomas?

Stick your finger in my hole(s)? perhaps?

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 07:15PM

You keep hearing LGBT this and LGBT that but what are they yapping about really? Have I missed something they haven't got in Irish society?

ToddyDoody · 24-06-2018 07:19PM

The whole movements thing. People wanting to be part of something big, or at least bigger than the usual everyday stuff. For me sexuality is a personal matter. its great society has decided to acknowledge it don't get me wrong but I'd be the last person who'd want to shove it in people's faces.

_Dara_ · 24-06-2018 07:20PM

wes wrote: »

People lie on the Internet all the time. My general position is not to trust them unless they provide evidence.

When it comes to messageboards, I’m the opposite. My view is that people have no reason to lie. If you go in suspicious, then you can just dismiss anything you don’t want to believe.

The day before the 8th ref in my husband’s workplace, a debate started on one of the teams. It was like 8 for yes, 2 for no. My husband (a yes voter) said it was uncomfortable the way the no voters were ganged up on. One yes voter in particular would not let it go. You’re dreaming if you think things like this can’t happen in workplaces and companies taking a particular stance can only embolden people further.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 07:32PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

wes wrote: »

People lie on the Internet all the time. My general position is not to trust them unless they provide evidence.

When it comes to messageboards, I’m the opposite. My view is that people have no reason to lie. If you go in suspicious, then you can just dismiss anything you don’t want to believe.

The day before the 8th ref in my husband’s workplace, a debate started on one of the teams. It was like 8 for yes, 2 for no. My husband (a yes voter) said it was uncomfortable the way the no voters were ganged up on. One yes voter in particular would not let it go. You’re dreaming if you think things like this can’t happen in workplaces and companies taking a particular stance can only embolden people further.

I'd have loved that, I'd have voted no. Stand your ground, don't just bow down to the consensus in such situation.

I Am The Law · 24-06-2018 07:33PM

This.

Arthur Daley · 24-06-2018 07:40PM

It is a great way for serial careerists to raise their profile, virtue signal into the next century and generally get away from doing any real 'work'.

Not much to do with the underlying charity/cause. You tend to see the same crowd involving themselves in these things, they probably get confused at what charity/cause they are meant to be marking this particular week/month. Best off well away from it OP.

take everything · 24-06-2018 07:53PM

paw patrol wrote: »

I understand why people in the LGBT want or feel the need for Pride and that's cool.

So what's my gripe....

I work in a bank, the bank has reasonable policies on discrimination and respecting others etc....which I agree with.

I go to work and create systems that allows the bank to function.
Why then does the bank need to decorate my office with rainbow flags and posters, spam my inbox with GO PRIDE style pep talk emails, invite us to a range of events during the week and more....?

Why? It's a bank. Is it too much for me to want to go to work , punch the clock and go home with my thinking of social matters being imposed upon?
Why does sexuality get such promotion in a bank , there are many noble campaigns , none get this coverage or close to it.

My workplace isn't alone ...I know it's happening in other companies like insurance companies and American multinationals eg, facebook, google

One such company (i've a friend there) has now a sign-up where you can pledge to be an LGBT ally and receive a special lanyard to wear "with pride" ( You can see what they did there??? ) around the office. The flip side of this is that it has created a culture where those without the lanyard are being asked why not?
Of course it's in an ever so polite and around about way...like "did you see the email on the lanyard" etc...

LGBT and their allies are a small section of society , why must their views be imposed on me at work. Christmas doesn't get such PR in my job.

I'm fairly neutral and happy to live and let live (on most matters) but this constant barrage at work makes me resent LGBT (the campaign rather than the individual people) a little.

I did ask at work and I got weird looks from HR and a bland meaningless reply about equality and diversity etc....
I think I am now guilty of wrong-think and possibly a second charge of using an outdated version of newspeak.:rolleyes: in the eyes of HR.

Strikes me as a corporate **** off in virtue signalling
Yes I did say Virtue Signalling. happy?

Is it wrong of me to want to just go to work in peace. No campaigns , promotions of any kind?

Agree.
The "did you see the email on the lanyard wearing" instantly invoked " did ya get the memo on those TP reports" in that wonderful film Office Space.

Basically twenty years on people have unironically become that joke.

take everything · 24-06-2018 08:09PM

Malayalam wrote: »

Follow the Money.

''Target Audiences''...
The Grey Pound = older people
The Pink Pound = LGBT+ people
The Green Pound = Eco-conscious people
The Blue/Purple Pound = Differently-abled people
The Red Pound = Plus-sized aka Curvy people
The Brown Pound = Ethnic minority people.

The answer is usually money.

This.
Anyone who thinks anything else is a moron tbh

Hector Savage · 24-06-2018 09:18PM

jcorr wrote: »

Just ignore them. It's work.....

lawred2 wrote: »

Not sure how the decoration affects you in the slightest really...

It's easily ignored

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You can easily delete an email and decline invites too

I would agree with this - but when people are asking why he's NOT wearing a ribbon and therefore coming to the conclusion that he must be anti LGBT - thats where it starts getting f-cking annoying and into the "wrongthink" area.

I was pro choice and pro marriage equality - but I wouldn't be wearing a repeal badge or YES badge - I don't like making political statements - ANY.

Hector Bellend · 24-06-2018 09:34PM

I have no problems with people being themselves.

However, I have an enormous issue with being told what I can think and what I can say in the company of colleagues or other adults.

I'll never bring up religion, politics, sexuality, race or gender because I believe they are of little real relevance.

Character, integrity and ability are much more important traits in a potential colleague or employee.

Race etc will never become an issue if you have these traits.

monkeysnapper · 24-06-2018 09:39PM

My work place are full of old fashioned staff members ' one guys been there 43 year ' most over 20 years ' there's not much you can do with them ' we all have great craic tho.

We have one guy , let's call him Rob , Rob only started with us recently but looks very similar to a girl we had working with us , let's call her Ruth .

Ok Ruth has been having the ops to become Rob as you may have guessed and you know what ?? Everyone has just excepted it and carried on, no drama , no big conversation . Ok sometimes somebody will call him Ruth but as time goes on that will change no doubt.

_Brian · 24-06-2018 09:39PM

Op is so far back in the closet their eircode is in Narnia

Atoms for Peace · 24-06-2018 09:42PM

These sorts of things have a way of turning into farcical forced groupthink. The poppy that gets foisted by the uk media is an example.

freshpopcorn · 24-06-2018 10:34PM

I think Ireland has come along way regarding homophobia in generally but something I've noticed in school/workplace/college/sports/etc is that homophobia still exists.
I've heard people treat colleges/etc terribly behind there back and to there face they are lovely at least before people knew where they stood with people.

Gay Pride at work

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