Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

Former Former · 21-06-2018 07:09AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/farrell-set-to-fill-in-at-ulster-if-mcfarland-appointment-delayed-1.3537586

Scotland are not looking for a pay-off, according to Nucifora.

Also confirmation that IRFU rejected the Jantjes idea and that they wanted Carbery to move north - but that none of the Munster guys will go to Ulster.

Buer · 21-06-2018 07:35AM

Nucifora said this would not be one of the outhalves on Munster’s roster, nor even from one of the other provinces, with Ian Madigan and Gareth Steenson also being ruled out.

I'm at a loss as to who they're looking at so. There must be a foreign outhalf who is IQ that they're speaking to.

In fairness, his explanation of the Jantjies situation makes sense. He'd be unavailable to them for long periods and we're about to his a RWC year. Regardless, I don't think he'd be the right person for Ulster.

awec · 21-06-2018 07:55AM

Buer wrote: »

I'm at a loss as to who they're looking at so. There must be a foreign outhalf who is IQ that they're speaking to.

In fairness, his explanation of the Jantjies situation makes sense. He'd be unavailable to them for long periods and we're about to his a RWC year. Regardless, I don't think he'd be the right person for Ulster.

A Sydney Fisherman’s 3rd XV type signing again in that case.

Also, interesting to see Nucifora say they knew about the McFarland issue before signing him. I find it unbelievable that they’ve done this again. Amateur hour by those involved.

Buer · 21-06-2018 08:06AM

awec wrote: »

A Sydney Fisherman’s 3rd XV type signing again in that case.

I'm holding onto my Billy Burns shout.

launish116 · 21-06-2018 09:48AM

10 won’t be burns, need an IQ 10 and a few other decent signings! Not holdin much hope though! Has pre-season begun?

Henderson having issue with his knee again and will miss Ireland match, is this the same injury from the Munster game flaring up?

irishbucsfan · 21-06-2018 09:53AM

Billy Burns, or Liam Broin as he prefers to be known, is both ginger and IQ.

I'm not 100% sure of that, but Belgium and Spain nearly got away with it with World Rugby until the Romanians screwed them, Ulster can take their chances with Nucifora.

launish116 · 21-06-2018 10:00AM

Would be a good start if he was IQ. Waiting for the we’re gonna save the other NIQ till after world cup window line...

Buer · 21-06-2018 10:01AM

launish116 wrote: »

10 won’t be burns, need an IQ 10 and a few other decent signings!

Billy and Freddie Burns were both IQ before Freddie was capped. Irish grandfather, I believe.

Squidgy Black · 21-06-2018 10:03AM

launish116 wrote: »

10 won’t be burns, need an IQ 10 and a few other decent signings! Not holdin much hope though! Has pre-season begun?

Henderson having issue with his knee again and will miss Ireland match, is this the same injury from the Munster game flaring up?

Billy Burns is IQ I believe.

launish116 · 21-06-2018 10:07AM

Would fill the gap and allow mcphilips to develope! Wouldn’t be a bad choice guess

arsebiscuits1 · 21-06-2018 10:56AM

I've heard Billy is IQ too.

100 caps for Gloucester. Easily pro14 standard. Young enough to improve. Would be a half decent shout

arsebiscuits1 · 21-06-2018 10:58AM

awec wrote: »

A Sydney Fisherman’s 3rd XV type signing again in that case.

Also, interesting to see Nucifora say they knew about the McFarland issue before signing him. I find it unbelievable that they’ve done this again. Amateur hour by those involved.

You're an awful conclusion jumper awec.

McFarland will be here by the start of the season.

Would you rather get a coach whose not up to it but at least here for preseason before you call for them to be sacked?

awec · 21-06-2018 11:00AM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

You're an awful conclusion jumper awec.

McFarland will be here by the start of the season.

Would you rather get a coach whose not up to it but at least here for preseason before you call for them to be sacked?

Will he be here for pre-season? Current signs suggest not. Amateur nonsense, even worse considering we've been down this road before and it didn't work.

jacothelad · 21-06-2018 11:02AM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

You're an awful conclusion jumper awec.

McFarland will be here by the start of the season.

Would you rather get a coach whose not up to it but at least here for preseason before you call for them to be sacked?

There must be great faith in McFarland....but there was great faith in Les and he was beyond appallingly bad as a head coach. So waiting for the next messiah isn't exactly filling everyone with hope given the past long wait.

arsebiscuits1 · 21-06-2018 11:03AM

awec wrote: »

Will he be here for pre-season? Current signs suggest not. Amateur nonsense, even worse considering we've been down this road before and it didn't work.

You've managed to get outraged by speculation that you've made up

Not only is this in the same sentence, one is directly after the other.

You can't make this stuff up

:D

arsebiscuits1 · 21-06-2018 11:04AM

jacothelad wrote: »

There must be great faith in McFarland....but there was great faith in Les and he was beyond appallingly bad as a head coach. So waiting for the next messiah isn't exactly filling everyone with hope given the past long wait.

So the people who hire him get called amateurs?

We know absolutely nothing about the situation yet people are jumping to conclusions and are already pissed off. Nothing has happened yet.

This is the sort of culture is baffling

irishbucsfan · 21-06-2018 11:11AM

I think it's hilarious that anyone thought it was possible Ulster didn't know McFarland's notice period before making him an offer of employment. What world are these people living in? Of course they knew

awec · 21-06-2018 11:13AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think it's hilarious that anyone thought it was possible Ulster didn't know McFarland's notice period before making him an offer of employment. What world are these people living in? Of course they knew

Firstly, it's the IRFU and not just Ulster.

And of course they knew. And they still signed him. And now we may not have a head coach in place for pre-season, in what really is a critical time for Ulster Rugby.

We've been down this road before, but we should just get the pom poms out and pretend all is good.

sydthebeat · 21-06-2018 11:13AM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

You've managed to get outraged by speculation that you've made up

Not only is this in the same sentence, one is directly after the other.

You can't make this stuff up :D

I don't think it's speculation he's made up.
All reports currently are that DMF won't be in ulster by the start of the season.

Have you info to the contrary?

awec · 21-06-2018 11:13AM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

You've managed to get outraged by speculation that you've made up

Not only is this in the same sentence, one is directly after the other.

You can't make this stuff up :D

I just made up?

Have you been existing under a rock?

arsebiscuits1 · 21-06-2018 11:15AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

I don't think it's speculation he's made up.
All reports currently are that DMF won't be in ulster by the start of the season.

Have you info to the contrary?

No I have no info.

As of this moment. There is no confirmation from anyone what the situation is.

I try to practise not getting agitated on things may not happen.

It's added years to my life.

arsebiscuits1 · 21-06-2018 11:16AM

awec wrote: »

I just made up?

Have you been existing under a rock?

Here is what I know.

McFarland is contracted till Jan.

Scotland have since hired replacements.

So who exactly is the amateur here?

jacothelad · 21-06-2018 11:16AM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

So the people who hire him get called amateurs?

We know absolutely nothing about the situation yet people are jumping to conclusions and are already pissed off. Nothing has happened yet.

This is the sort of culture is baffling

A) It's not a culture..and we do know about the situation. The SRU will not release Dan until January. I doubt if whoever made the appointment were not aware of the situation. If they were not.....clusterfcuk.

and

It's not baffling at all given the recent shytfest at Ulster starting with the long range imposition of Kiss, a man with no experience of being the head honcho. Mcfarland at least has experience at the sharp end of 'club' rugby and is well thought of. Seems like a good appointment to me and if he is worth the wait ...grand. Someone MUST be there pre-season who can do what needs to be done but who can also liaise with D.McF and make sure everyone is on the same page. It can't be left to Peel et al. It would not be fair to them = although they could not be worse than Kiss.

awec · 21-06-2018 11:19AM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

No I have no info.

As of this moment. There is no confirmation from anyone what the situation is.

I try to practise not getting agitated on things may not happen.

It's added years to my life.

Confirmation is that Dan McFarland is still with Scotland. The Scotland head coach is on public record saying McFarland will serve out his notice until January.

David Nucifora is on record saying it's not a money problem. David Nucifora is on record saying he expects to get him before January, but also goes on to talk about plan B and there being contingencies. "Before January" is a very vague and interesting choice of words.

It seems fairly obvious that there is a very good chance he won't be here for pre-season.

arsebiscuits1 · 21-06-2018 11:19AM

Folks I'm actually not going to bother.

There's way too much of a victim complex in this thread.

All that happens here is blaming people. "It's the IRFUs fault" "It's Shane Logans fault" "It's Sparkys fault"

You've got a replacement coach and an unconfirmed start date and yet somehow everyone is to blame

Feel free to play the victim.

Quote me and disagree all you want. Doesn't make me wrong. And I wont be replying

sydthebeat · 21-06-2018 11:20AM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

No I have no info.

As of this moment. There is no confirmation from anyone what the situation is.

I try to practise not getting agitated on things may not happen.

It's added years to my life.

Scotland have confirmed what the current situation is... You must have missed that.

That's currently the ONLY concrete info we have

Bazzo · 21-06-2018 11:21AM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

No I have no info.

As of this moment. There is no confirmation from anyone what the situation is.

I try to practise not getting agitated on things may not happen.

It's added years to my life.

His current employer, the SRU, have confirmed he won't be leaving before January on multiple occasions, including in their recent announcement of his replacement.

https://twitter.com/Scotlandteam/status/1008636483081818112?s=19

irishbucsfan · 21-06-2018 11:23AM

awec wrote: »

Firstly, it's the IRFU and not just Ulster.

And of course they knew. And they still signed him. And now we may not have a head coach in place for pre-season, in what really is a critical time for Ulster Rugby.

We've been down this road before, but we should just get the pom poms out and pretend all is good.

Ah right, so by "interesting to see" you actually meant "blatantly obviously to anyone who has been following it, nothing new here"

awec wrote: »

Also, interesting to see Nucifora say they knew about the McFarland issue before signing him

No one is saying get the pom poms out. Ulster are trying to appoint the right staff in the right positions. It may be there were other coaches available immediately, but those coaches might have been completely the wrong fit. What would you prefer, the right coach arrives a month late or the wrong coach arrives on time and then ****s off mid-season?

Calling this "amateur hour", about something you already knew, as if you know what has happened, is in reality just an excuse to give out. There's nothing new here and very little evidence of actual incompetence.

irishbucsfan · 21-06-2018 11:26AM

Bazzo wrote: »

His current employer, the SRU, have confirmed he won't be leaving before January on multiple occasions, including in their recent announcement of his replacement.

And the BBC article announcing Wilson's arrival says that it likely paves the way for McFarland to leave early.

Are they actually going to go into November with two lads doing the exact same job? Probably not, right?

We don't know what will happen, but it's fairly likely the IRFU and SRU will be able to come to an agreement. Wilson is available immediately as well and the SRU bought him out of his contract with Wasps, wouldn't be surprised if that amount is going to come from our coffers.

Bazzo · 21-06-2018 11:28AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

And the BBC article announcing Wilson's arrival says that it likely paves the way for McFarland to leave early.

Are they actually going to go into November with two lads doing the exact same job? Probably not, right?

We don't know what will happen, but it's fairly likely the IRFU and SRU will be able to come to an agreement. Wilson is available immediately as well and the SRU bought him out of his contract with Wasps, wouldn't be surprised if that amount is going to come from our coffers.

I was replying to the fact that there was no official confirmation of his status. The only official confirmation of his status is the SRU repeatedly saying that he'll be staying til January.

In any case, maybe the BBC are right, but they could equally be making assumptions. The SRU could be annoyed at his leaving and stick him on gardening leave, who knows? The official word at the moment is that he won't be arriving before January.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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