Off Topic Thread 4.0

bilston · 19-06-2018 08:05PM

Dodgy OG goal there!

b.gud · 19-06-2018 10:10PM

Stheno wrote: »

b.gud wrote: »

Going forward I think we need to align more closely with core business objectives of the company with a more startup based mindset to help disrupt the market.

nah you need a business responsive multi modal delivery framework to accomodate competing business priorities while accommodating security and risk

Personally I think we need to pivot to capitalise on market trends and spike the feasibility of leveraging a SaaS cloud based infrastructure as our team drives towards our shared goal of being the market leader in this space.

Stheno · 19-06-2018 10:33PM

b.gud wrote: »

Personally I think we need to pivot to capitalise on market trends and spike the feasibility of leveraging a SaaS cloud based infrastructure as our team drives towards our shared goal of being the market leader in this space.

Amateur

You forgot to mention capitalising the value of data

Squidgy Black · 20-06-2018 08:16AM

Stheno wrote: »

Amateur

You forgot to mention capitalising the value of data

Nah what you really want is an enterprise level business transformation to streamline the modus operandi of your core operations.

Stheno · 20-06-2018 08:22AM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Nah what you really want is an enterprise level business transformation to streamline the modus operandi of your core operations.

are we colleagues? :eek:

stephen_n · 20-06-2018 08:45AM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He's starting to, Kane's contract was the start of it and I reckon he'll start opening the cheque book a bit more now that stadium is almost finished.

Yeah I was pleasantly surprised to see Kane’s new deal, hopefully Erickson and a few more will get better deals too. Badly need more creative midfielders though.

20-06-2018 09:30AM

The complete lack of empathy on display here is absolutely chilling.

https://twitter.com/passantino/status/1009220051172495361

Plenty with this kind of attitude in Ireland starting to find their voice, plenty more in the UK but they've been fed intolerance by the likes of the mail for a lot longer.

Starting to worry about the hole American politics is sinking into. Saw an interview on Cathy Newman during the week with Polish and German foreign ministers and it was equally dismaying.

dregin · 20-06-2018 10:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The complete lack of empathy on display here is absolutely chilling.

https://twitter.com/passantino/status/1009220051172495361

Plenty with this kind of attitude in Ireland starting to find their voice, plenty more in the UK but they've been fed intolerance by the likes of the mail for a lot longer.

Starting to worry about the hole American politics is sinking into. Saw an interview on Cathy Newman during the week with Polish and German foreign ministers and it was equally dismaying.

And then there's this https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2018/0619/971748-nikki-haley-united-nations/

If the Republicans don't tank in the midterms, I'd be very worried about the security of the world at large.

awec · 20-06-2018 12:23PM

Anyone else on vodafone having 4g problems?

Synode · 20-06-2018 12:58PM

awec wrote: »

Anyone else on vodafone having 4g problems?

I was earlier but seems to be ok now

Bazzo · 20-06-2018 07:15PM

Please tell me the vuvuzela hasn't made a comeback....

Neil3030 · 20-06-2018 08:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The complete lack of empathy on display here is absolutely chilling.

https://twitter.com/passantino/status/1009220051172495361

Plenty with this kind of attitude in Ireland starting to find their voice, plenty more in the UK but they've been fed intolerance by the likes of the mail for a lot longer.

Starting to worry about the hole American politics is sinking into. Saw an interview on Cathy Newman during the week with Polish and German foreign ministers and it was equally dismaying.

We'll be fine. The Repeal the 8th Referendum was a promising sign of where we stand at the moment. Sinn Fein and the ULA types will hoover up the populist vote for the foreseeable future, and both camps would be abandoning their self-professed socialist roots if they stray into right-wing rhetoric.

The danger for me would be anti-immigration noises emanating from FG and FF, and there's not much evidence of that, I'm sure?

Agreed about the US and UK though - terrifying.

swiwi_ · 22-06-2018 08:52PM

Ah. ‘tis sweet to be Swiss at the moment. Knockouts here we come. Thank you our wee little Albanian & Kosovo imports.

umop episdn · 24-06-2018 07:29AM

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/women-rugby-players-kiss-prompts-outpouring-of-solidarity-after-criticism-welcome-to-2018-37041209.html
Only posting this as I believe love is love..and it beats homophobia every damn time

CatFromHue · 24-06-2018 12:48PM

“Karina saw me across the room. We were drinking at the bar and she decided to shout everyone a drink, have a skolling competition and couldn’t beat me. I smashed her. It started from there,” Foliaki said.

Romance, Aussie style! It's like something from Flight of the Conchords :pac:

Peterx · 25-06-2018 09:53PM

How can soccer have such problems with a video ref? It's like they never watched Rugby or Cricket..

thomond2006 · 26-06-2018 12:15AM

Kildare GAA vs GAA is on!

Neil3030 · 26-06-2018 01:12AM

IBF is from Kildare isn't he? Is belligerent opposition to well-meaning central governance just endemic to that region?

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2018 08:13AM

Nothing well-meaning about it in this case. Fair play to them for standing up for themselves.

Podge_irl · 26-06-2018 08:51AM

Peterx wrote: »

How can soccer have such problems with a video ref? It's like they never watched Rugby or Cricket..

The nature of the games is quite different though - with the latter sports more used to stoppages in the normal run of play. I tend to agree with the Iranian coach on the lack of transparency though. The communications between VAR and ref should be available.

P.Walnuts · 26-06-2018 10:06AM

Keep the VAR for offside calls, which are clear cut decisions.

Bin the rest of it, even with replays two referees will intertrept an incident of found play differently.

I'd like to see a poll of 100 refs decisions on the first Iran penalty incident, the Rinaldo yellow incident and the second Iran penalty. I imagine you'd get quite an even spread.

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2018 10:13AM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Keep the VAR for offside calls, which are clear cut decisions.

Bin the rest of it, even with replays two referees will intertrept an incident of found play differently.

I'd like to see a poll of 100 refs decisions on the first Iran penalty incident, the Rinaldo yellow incident and the second Iran penalty. I imagine you'd get quite an even spread.

I'm sorry what?

Would you apply the same logic to rugby?

P.Walnuts · 26-06-2018 10:40AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I'm sorry what?

Would you apply the same logic to rugby?

Apples and oranges

The stop start nature of rugby,the respect the referees are ( for the most part) shown by the players along with the transparency of the TMO to the viewer makes video decisions much more conducive to rugby imo.

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2018 11:03AM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Apples and oranges

The stop start nature of rugby,the respect the referees are ( for the most part) shown by the players along with the transparency of the TMO to the viewer makes video decisions much more conducive to rugby imo.

Make VAR more transparent and the respect referees are shown will increase.

The only reason it doesn't work is because they implemented it incorrectly. If they look around at other sports and make some adjustments it will get even better

swiwi_ · 26-06-2018 12:08PM

I'm not really convinced the TMO has benefited rugby. Yes, we have eliminated clear knock-ons etc, but we have added a heap of crap for nothing. Look at the June series there - plenty of absolutely dud calls, despite the technology.

Squidgy Black · 26-06-2018 12:12PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I'm not really convinced the TMO has benefited rugby. Yes, we have eliminated clear knock-ons etc, but we have added a heap of crap for nothing. Look at the June series there - plenty of absolutely dud calls, despite the technology.

It's all about transparency, and also the usage of it has to be consistent I think.

One of the main outcries from the world cup is that some refs are just refusing to go to VAR for fairly clear calls, whereas others are using it needlessly.

As for rugby, I dunno I'm kind of torn on it. Yes it's helped for some things, but other times it's been used to overturn absolutely marginal calls and putting things under a magnifying glass to a granular level.

sydthebeat · 26-06-2018 12:25PM

I think in rugby referees should be more confident in things that happen in open play before the TMO.

Way too often do we see play progress to a try, only for the TMO to ask to check something the referee has obviously seen and let go. Ben skeen is the worst for it by a long shot. This undermines the ref and leads them to use the TMO as a crutch.
For example Colemans hit that got their try wiped in the second test. Williams had obviously seen the incident in real time and didn't think it warranted action, yet the TMO has the power to pull it back.
I've no problem with off the ball incidents for foul play being checked, if the ref is unsighted.

errlloyd · 26-06-2018 12:29PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I'm not really convinced the TMO has benefited rugby. Yes, we have eliminated clear knock-ons etc, but we have added a heap of crap for nothing. Look at the June series there - plenty of absolutely dud calls, despite the technology.

I think we can work to make TMO more efficient. I'd be okay with TMO being able to simply overrule the referee instead of making recommendations. The process of the TMO sort of getting the refs attention, showing footage, discussing what the ref is meant to be looking for and then discussing the punishment is sort of ****.

A TMO should be able to say "Yellow Card, red 3 for neck roll on blue 5" - and they can show the clip in the stadium or whatever, but just get it done like.

Yeah_Right · 26-06-2018 12:31PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's all about transparency, and also the usage of it has to be consistent I think.

One of the main outcries from the world cup is that some refs are just refusing to go to VAR for fairly clear calls, whereas others are using it needlessly.

As for rugby, I dunno I'm kind of torn on it. Yes it's helped for some things, but other times it's been used to overturn absolutely marginal calls and putting things under a magnifying glass to a granular level.

I agree. There are times that it is beneficial and others that seem to remove common sense from the equation because we can't see it on the screen. Also there's no consistency. At the weekend Frizzel scored a try but the TMO said he can't see a grounding even though common sense says part of the ball is on the ground. Then they don't even check what appeared to be a clear knock on by Luke Whitelock before Ioane scored.

26-06-2018 12:39PM

errlloyd wrote: »

I think we can work to make TMO more efficient. I'd be okay with TMO being able to simply overrule the referee instead of making recommendations. The process of the TMO sort of getting the refs attention, showing footage, discussing what the ref is meant to be looking for and then discussing the punishment is sort of ****.

A TMO should be able to say "Yellow Card, red 3 for neck roll on blue 5" - and they can show the clip in the stadium or whatever, but just get it done like.

I don't have an issue with the TMO making a recommendation, but I think the game should only have one referee and that's the referee on the pitch.

The TMO misses as much as the ref I find, plenty of off the ball stuff gets picked up after the game and even some obvious stuff during the game doesn't get referred.

If the process can be further streamlined then fair enough, but the biggest issue for me is that they need to continually stream images to the ref and sometimes from multiple angles and at different speeds to give him a full picture. Given that I think it's important that the ref on the pitch has the final say I'm not sure what you can do anything about that.

Has to be said though, the Summer internationals delivered some of the most inconsistent and poor referee performances I've seen in a test window like this.

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