Royal visit Cork

Purple Mountain · 16-06-2018 03:29PM

Just out of curiosity, where did they overnight?

refusetolose · 16-06-2018 03:31PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, where did they overnight?

yeah they did

Strazdas · 16-06-2018 04:27PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, where did they overnight?

It probably wasn't revealed for security reasons. I'm guessing it would have been some country estate and large house in Co.Cork.

GowlBagJohnson · 16-06-2018 05:58PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Rebel county me hole!

Sure the only rebel they had they shot

Blaas4life · 16-06-2018 06:07PM

Strazdas wrote: »

It probably wasn't revealed for security reasons. I'm guessing it would have been some country estate and large house in Co.Cork.

I'd hazard a guess at lismore castle?

refusetolose · 16-06-2018 06:08PM

think they stayed here

http://ballyvolanehouse.ie/

jojofizzio · 16-06-2018 06:12PM

refusetolose wrote: »

think they stayed here

http://ballyvolanehouse.ie/

Yep-rumour had it they were based there for the cork/Kerry leg of the tour

Zebra3 · 16-06-2018 07:25PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The only hope I have is that Prince Charles at nearly 70 will outive that crazy aged mother of his and take his place in history as King Charles III.

He's a good guy, Charles. Raised those boys very well.

Good mate of Jimmy Savile’s too.

17-06-2018 01:27AM

dotsman wrote: »

So a GAA-obsessed guy and a dedicated IRA-supporter start a thread about how they can't understand why Irish people want to live in the 21st century and behave in a civilised manner with our nearest neighbour.

Ah, yes, requesting that the Irish behave in a "civilised manner" to the British royalist cult which in 2018 solidly maintains all its Irish-hating, institutionally sectarian bigotry. Your response: why can't you Paddys accept it all and stop complaining? How, eh, English of you.

dotsman wrote: »

There really should be a "1970's retarded bogger" forum where certain "people" with certain "views" can spew all the hatred and bull**** they want, and leave the rest of us alone.

Ah the ubiquitous "rest of us". In fairness, look at that rage (to be polite) from you on screen... you clearly have no reticence when it comes to spewing hate-filled "views" against Irish Ireland and Irish independence while proffering nauseating apologias of British rule in this country. Well done.

17-06-2018 01:28AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Most people have moved on, thankfully. They don't want to go back to the bad old days.

Lady Spangles wrote: »

Heaven forbid we try to foster better relations between the two countries from hereon in. I mean, why bother when we can just keep the old hatreds alive, eh?

JupiterKid wrote: »

Why do the armchair republicans, stuck in their hatreds and in circa 1975, get so het up about this?
We have moved on.

Ah, the crazy, the absurd, the "You cannot be serious" hilarity of "We've moved on!" "Those Irish are stuck in their hatreds" lectures to the Irish from people who in 2018 are sympathetic to the continuing existence of - where do I start with this one? - an institutionally sectarian, blood-based, anti-Irish, anti-Catholic, anti-republican, decidedly medieval (with some outstandingly rabid sectarian legislative twists from the late 17th and early 18th centuries) anti-modern, British monarchy. Live, right here in 2018. In terms of "hatred" and "bigotry", the utterly massive British elephant in this very small room - and you give out to the Irish mouse who objects to it about "living in the past" and not "moving on":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU

Ah but isn't it "tradition" for its defenders when the British have an egregious institution, the British crown, of unadulterated veritable bigotry whose flag, of all flags, has flown freely each time the Irish have been suppressed in their struggle for freedom throughout the centuries. "Forget that, Paddy, and just pretend the British crown in 2018 has become all inclusive, meritocratic, secular and all the rest."

Nah, nothing admirable whatsoever in the British crown and the uniquely repugnant history of Hibernophobia that it represents from Mullaghmast to Derry (oh but didn't Her Majesty name her pet budgie "Patrick" - bucket, please). Up the Republic, republicanism, democracy, meritocracy and secular states.

dotsman · 17-06-2018 03:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, yes, requesting that the Irish behave in a "civilised manner" to the British royalist cult which in 2018 solidly maintains all its Irish-hating, institutionally sectarian bigotry. Your response: why can't you Paddys accept it all and stop complaining? How, eh, English of you.

Ah the ubiquitous "rest of us". In fairness, look at that rage (to be polite) from you on screen... you clearly have no reticence when it comes to spewing hate-filled "views" against Irish Ireland and Irish independence while proffering nauseating apologias of British rule in this country. Well done.

Not sure what exactly you are saying here. I think you are saying that Charles and Camilla hate Irish people and the most Irish people aren't Irish.

On that note, I don't think there is any point talking to you. Enjoy your misery.

whisky_galore · 18-06-2018 08:51AM

dotsman wrote: »

Not sure what exactly you are saying here. I think you are saying that Charles and Camilla hate Irish people and the most Irish people aren't Irish.

On that note, I don't think there is any point talking to you. Enjoy your misery.

He's just disappointed other people don't like the Wolfe Tones as much as he does.
I think he'd be happiest in an insular Irish version of North Korea.

_Kaiser_ · 18-06-2018 09:15AM

As I said in the "let's all support England" (in the world cup) thread, this anti-Brit stuff that continually surfaces in this country is ridiculous.

Most Irish people spend their evenings watching English soaps and reality TV, support English football clubs at the weekend, buy tonnes of stuff in English shops... And yet whenever there's a visit from the royals, or the national squad is playing, or the Brexit situation, or the recent wedding, all the armchair republicans come out spouting shyte.

I'd wager most of them weren't even around to experience the Troubles.. the checkpoints, the attacks, the hatred (from both sides) in the North. That's right.. Both sides committed atrocities in the name of religion and politics! And before the "but.. but.. 800 years" stuff starts again, maybe go read some history - stronger nations taking what they wanted by force and occupation WAS politics in those days and pretty much every major European power was at it.

We have a lot more in common with our UK neighbours than we do with most of Europe or the USA anyway, and I think this will become more apparent after Brexit is concluded and we find ourselves very much alone in Brussels - unless ye really think Leo's (and Enda before him) Good Boys of Europe routine will actually pay off :rolleyes:

Time to get over the nonsense and bigotry folks. There's more to a genuine peace than just putting down the guns and the bombs.

topper75 · 18-06-2018 09:59AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

We have a lot more in common with our UK neighbours than we do with most of Europe or the USA anyway, and I think this will become more apparent after Brexit is concluded and we find ourselves very much alone in Brussels - unless ye really think Leo's (and Enda before him) Good Boys of Europe routine will actually pay off :rolleyes:

Most Irish people it seems actually believe this FG line.

The usual thing when you warn of where we are going post-Brexit is 'but look at all the money Europe put into Ireland'. It is a childlike naive belief in the possibility of a free lunch.

Taytoland · 18-06-2018 03:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

whisky_galore wrote: »

Most people have moved on, thankfully. They don't want to go back to the bad old days.

Lady Spangles wrote: »

Heaven forbid we try to foster better relations between the two countries from hereon in. I mean, why bother when we can just keep the old hatreds alive, eh?

JupiterKid wrote: »

Why do the armchair republicans, stuck in their hatreds and in circa 1975, get so het up about this?
We have moved on.

Ah, the crazy, the absurd, the "You cannot be serious" hilarity of "We've moved on!" "Those Irish are stuck in their hatreds" lectures to the Irish from people who in 2018 are sympathetic to the continuing existence of - where do I start with this one? - an institutionally sectarian, blood-based, anti-Irish, anti-Catholic, anti-republican, decidedly medieval (with some outstandingly rabid sectarian legislative twists from the late 17th and early 18th centuries) anti-modern, British monarchy. Live, right here in 2018. In terms of "hatred" and "bigotry", the utterly massive British elephant in this very small room - and you give out to the Irish mouse who objects to it about "living in the past" and not "moving on":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU

Ah but isn't it "tradition" for its defenders when the British have an egregious institution, the British crown, of unadulterated veritable bigotry whose flag, of all flags, has flown freely each time the Irish have been suppressed in their struggle for freedom throughout the centuries. "Forget that, Paddy, and just pretend the British crown in 2018 has become all inclusive, meritocratic, secular and all the rest."

Nah, nothing admirable whatsoever in the British crown and the uniquely repugnant history of Hibernophobia that it represents from Mullaghmast to Derry (oh but didn't Her Majesty name her pet budgie "Patrick" - bucket, please). Up the Republic, republicanism, democracy, meritocracy and secular states.

You show no respect to our institutions of which the Monarchy is one. I think that tells us everything. Get over it already. Our Queen laid a wreath at the Irish remembrance garden for those who fought against the UK. The Royal Family has lead from the front on this reconciliation between the United Kingdom and the Irish Republic.

Zebra3 · 19-06-2018 10:22AM

Taytoland wrote: »

You show no respect to our institutions of which the Monarchy is one. I think that tells us everything. Get over it already. Our Queen laid a wreath at the Irish remembrance garden for those who fought against the UK. The Royal Family has lead from the front on this reconciliation between the United Kingdom and the Irish Republic.

Why would anyone have any respect for an unelected head of state?

Some of us are more in to democracy.

whisky_galore · 19-06-2018 10:29AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Some of us are more in to democracy.

They have free elections over there, last time I looked.

Funny that no-one whinges, pisses and moans about monarchies in other European countries. Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Norway, Denmark etc.

Strazdas · 19-06-2018 12:51PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Why would anyone have any respect for an unelected head of state?

Some of us are more in to democracy.

If the head of state is there because the people of that country want that person to be head of state, then they are there democratically. Democracy doesn't always involve ticking a box on a ballot paper.

Odhinn · 19-06-2018 12:53PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

They have free elections over there, last time I looked.

Funny that no-one whinges, pisses and moans about monarchies in other European countries. Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Norway, Denmark etc.

Because nobody here has a clue about them, and they don't hop up in our media.

Taytoland · 19-06-2018 01:37PM

Odhinn wrote: »

whisky_galore wrote: »

They have free elections over there, last time I looked.

Funny that no-one whinges, pisses and moans about monarchies in other European countries. Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Norway, Denmark etc.

Because nobody here has a clue about them, and they don't hop up in our media.

Because people are interested in them, they sell papers and clicks. They have over a thousand years of history. It's fascinating history.

Zebra3 · 19-06-2018 10:07PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

They have free elections over there, last time I looked.

Funny that no-one whinges, pisses and moans about monarchies in other European countries. Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Norway, Denmark etc.

There are free elections in Britain to the lower house of parliament. The head of state is not democractically elected and for some reason people who claim to be democrats love this.

I find it odd not just about Britain, but about e other countries and more ohiuce listed.

Bizarre that people makes excuses for it all.

Strazdas · 20-06-2018 02:16AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

There are free elections in Britain to the lower house of parliament. The head of state is not democractically elected and for some reason people who claim to be democrats love this.

I find it odd not just about Britain, but about e other countries and more ohiuce listed.

Bizarre that people makes excuses for it all.

What's the obsession with elections? To say that any country that has an unelected head of state is not a democracy is patently nonsense.....it would only be undemocratic if the there was any evidence the country didn't want that head of state and wanted rid of them.

Also, the people who often go on about what democracy is are often not very democratic themselves. "It's my way or the highway" is frequently their (unspoken) motto.

ohnonotgmail · 20-06-2018 09:26AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

There are free elections in Britain to the lower house of parliament. The head of state is not democractically elected and for some reason people who claim to be democrats love this.

I find it odd not just about Britain, but about e other countries and more ohiuce listed.

Bizarre that people makes excuses for it all.

The queen has no political power. she is a figurehead only. She doesn't impinge on the democratic process. that is probably why.

whisky_galore · 20-06-2018 09:55AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The queen has no political power. she is a figurehead only. She doesn't impinge on the democratic process. that is probably why.

Yep, people can't seem to wrap their heads around this.

We have a Seanad which is not chosen by the people, got a problem with that at all?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 21-06-2018 01:19AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yep, people can't seem to wrap their heads around this.

We have a Seanad which is not chosen by the people, got a problem with that at all?

I've a big problem with it and don't vote in the elections for it though I'm "entitled" to, and I voted to abolish it, it's archaic and classist and a sinful waste of money.

During my period of abstention Ronan fcuking Mullen got a platform from it though. Damned you do damned you don't.

whisky_galore · 21-06-2018 08:11AM

Lucas Blue Cocaine wrote: »

I've a big problem with it and don't vote in the elections for it though I'm "entitled" to, and I voted to abolish it, it's archaic and classist and a sinful waste of money.

During my period of abstention Ronan fcuking Mullen got a platform from it though. Damned you do damned you don't.

People got their say to abolish it. Democracy's a bitch when it doesn't go your way.

_Kaiser_ · 21-06-2018 08:58AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

People got their say to abolish it. Democracy's a bitch when it doesn't go your way.

Abolition wasn't what was needed - although I'm sure it would have suited the Government at the time. What was needed was to reform it.

But Enda decided that wasn't an option - scrap it or keep it. Thankfully most people recognised that it's very important to have some sort of check on the Dail

Zebra3 · 21-06-2018 09:42AM

Strazdas wrote: »

What's the obsession with elections? To say that any country that has an unelected head of state is not a democracy is patently nonsense.....it would only be undemocratic if the there was any evidence the country didn't want that head of state and wanted rid of them.

Also, the people who often go on about what democracy is are often not very democratic themselves. "It's my way or the highway" is frequently their (unspoken) motto.

Who said Britain wasn’t a democracy? I merely pointed out that the British head of state is selected through an undemocratic process. And it’s a bit hypocritical for so-called democrats to support that.

Just because you don’t like that doesn’t mean you should be making stuff up to distract from it.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The queen has no political power. she is a figurehead only. She doesn't impinge on the democratic process. that is probably why.

The British monarch has loads of political power. No bill can become an act of law without her consent.

ohnonotgmail · 21-06-2018 09:45AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

The British monarch has loads of political power. No bill can become an act of law without her consent.

In theory this in true. In practice it is not. No monarch has refused to give royal assent to an act of parliament for more than 300 years

21-06-2018 10:21AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

In theory this in true. In practice it is not. No monarch has refused to give royal assent to an act of parliament for more than 300 years

There is a large statue of Cromwell outside Westminster to remind Monarchs what happens when you cross parliament

Royal visit Cork

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