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Ireland v Australia - 2nd test, how the expected starting XVs compare.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Has to be a rule problem when the ability of the wronged party to save themselves dictates the sanction. The action was a lifting beyond the horizontal and a driving of the upper body towards the turf, the outcome a lottery.

    That action, for me, should be red every day and the fact it isnt leaves the door open to it happening more often.

    I'd have to agree. A few years ago that would have been a red card every time, without question. I don't remember when, or why, that changed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,220 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    In a meaningful game with Kearney fit?

    2008

    SA tour had Toh and Payne iirc. I quite looked what Payne brought, shame he never got a chance to develop there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭umop episdn


    Not seen it mentioned so far, but Cheika isn't a happy man over Genia's broken arm... finger being pointed at Healy for an off the ball shoulder


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Not seen it mentioned so far, but Cheika isn't a happy man over Genia's broken arm... finger being pointed at Healy for an off the ball shoulder

    Could be cited. But it will beg the question of whether it's a red card. Very rare to see someone being hit a shoulder to an arm off the ball being considered a red card. Foul play yes, but a sending off?

    I have to see the incident but sounds like extremely bad luck.


  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Buer wrote: »
    Could be cited. But it will beg the question of whether it's a red card. Very rare to see someone being hit a shoulder to an arm off the ball being considered a red card. Foul play yes, but a sending off?

    I have to see the incident but sounds like extremely bad luck.

    They can look at the one on Ryan while they're at it then.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Anywhere other than Sky Sports I can catch highlights of this? Cheers


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  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Had Larmour been at full back he'd have gotten to Beale.

    Kearney was terrific today, best fullback of the weekend by a distance (sorry Yeah_Right), but Larmour is lighting over 30m.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Not seen it mentioned so far, but Cheika isn't a happy man over Genia's broken arm... finger being pointed at Healy for an off the ball shoulder

    So typical of Healy. Such a dirty player. He's a thug and I hope he gets a long suspension. It's typical though of Irish players like him and SOB. They've made careers out of cheap shots that take opponents out of the match (and the series) and only get censured after the game.

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Hopefully Conway will be good to play next week. I'd like to see him given a start at FB. No knock on RK, who was very good today I thought.

    With POMs performance today, a backrow of 6. POM, 7. Leavy 8. Conan would be another combo that would be worth exploring.

    I don't think Stander has been terrible by any means, but by god the man needs a rest. Start Conan or Murphy. Big season for Conan, I think Deegan will really push him hard this coming season.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Had Larmour been at full back he'd have gotten to Beale.

    Kearney was terrific today, best fullback of the weekend by a distance (sorry Yeah_Right), but Larmour is lighting over 30m.

    His positioning isn't in the same league though. He could have been another 10m away and not been in with a sniff of getting close.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    So typical of Healy. Such a dirty player. He's a thug and I hope he gets a long suspension. It's typical though of Irish players like him and SOB. They've made careers out of cheap shots that take opponents out of the match (and the series) and only get censured after the game.

    ;)

    Waaaay! We're all going to heaven!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,866 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    It's a shame Leavy was injured today. Thought he played extremely well in the opening 20. He's extremely good at the breakdown but I think his ball carrying is overlooked. It's another area he excels at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,557 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    So you won...but the thread is still littered with complaints about the ref :confused: Are there any refs at all that Irish fans can endure?? Maybe the French lads seem to get slightly less stick on here is my impression.

    I think you should more wonder how your side keeps dominating territory and possession in virtually every match Ireland plays these days (which is a magnificent effort)...but can't chalk up cricket scores. Those endless side to side 3 man pods in the red zone are minimal risk, but minimal reward.

    Obviously, plaudits will mostly go to Furlong, POM and Sexton...but I thought Ringrose made a real difference. Also, kudos to Earls thought he was sensational in the air, especially relative to his diminutive stature.

    For Australia, today showed that Pocock is a bit of a one-trick pony: his one-trick is sensational, but outside that he doesn't have a lot to his game. They should start Hodge next week and get him to take the clearance kicks, as Foley has poor range.

    3rd test should be a cracker. For no other reason than "a feeling", I think Australia might edge it....not if they get utterly dominated again though, they'll need to find a solution to that.

    So...not too long now and Ireland will be facing NZ or SA in a must-win RWC quarter final...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Clegg wrote: »
    It's a shame Leavy was injured today. Thought he played extremely well in the opening 20. He's extremely good at the breakdown but I think his ball carrying is overlooked. It's another area he excels at.

    Seems to be suspect in defense though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    amcalester wrote: »
    Seems to be suspect in defense though.

    Based on what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    So you won...but the thread is still littered with complaints about the ref :confused: Are there any refs at all that Irish fans can endure?? Maybe the French lads seem to get slightly less stick on here is my impression.

    I think you should more wonder how your side keeps dominating territory and possession in virtually every match Ireland plays these days (which is a magnificent effort)...but can't chalk up cricket scores. Those endless side to side 3 man pods in the red zone are minimal risk, but minimal reward.

    Obviously, plaudits will mostly go to Furlong, POM and Sexton...but I thought Ringrose made a real difference. Also, kudos to Earls thought he was sensational in the air, especially relative to his diminutive stature.

    For Australia, today showed that Pocock is a bit of a one-trick pony: his one-trick is sensational, but outside that he doesn't have a lot to his game. They should start Hodge next week and get him to take the clearance kicks, as Foley has poor range.

    3rd test should be a cracker. For no other reason than "a feeling", I think Australia might edge it....not if they get utterly dominated again though, they'll need to find a solution to that.

    So...not too long now and Ireland will be facing NZ or SA in a must-win RWC quarter final...

    So if you win you can't complain about the referee? Interesting. He kept Australia in the game by not issuing yellow cards despite warning after warning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    So you won...but the thread is still littered with complaints about the ref :confused: Are there any refs at all that Irish fans can endure?? Maybe the French lads seem to get slightly less stick on here is my impression.
    Is a deliberate knock on a yellow card, though?

    Because he essentially said to Hooper that no cards would be coming for it -just more warnings- by refusing to give any yellows when they kept doing it. About 90 seconds later, Ireland does it and he's up to the TMO before you can blink, busily and almost excitedly trying to find out who it was like a bloodhound sniffing the insides of a bag.

    It's one thing to get the calls wrong in the heat of the moment or with how fast things can go. It's another to completely stop a game and make a very conscious and deliberate decision that "the thing I've been letting one team off with again and again despite seeing it (and telling all the players on the field as much) all game has now been done by the opposite team... and you better believe I'm going to hammer them for it!" He had plenty of time to think and reflect on just how wildly and deliberately inconsistent he was being, and carried on doing so anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Clegg wrote: »
    It's a shame Leavy was injured today. Thought he played extremely well in the opening 20. He's extremely good at the breakdown but I think his ball carrying is overlooked. It's another area he excels at.

    If we get Healy, Furlong, SOB, Ryan, Leavy and Stander on the pitch together I want to see a 20+ phase drive from inside our own 22 straight in for a try, without any backs bar Murray getting a single touch. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    So you won...but the thread is still littered with complaints about the ref :confused: Are there any refs at all that Irish fans can endure?? .

    Yes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Is a deliberate knock on a yellow card, though?
    Yes they can sometimes.
    swiwi_ wrote: »
    So you won...but the thread is still littered with complaints about the ref :confused: Are there any refs at all that Irish fans can endure?? Maybe the French lads seem to get slightly less stick on here is my impression.

    I think you should more wonder how your side keeps dominating territory and possession in virtually every match Ireland plays these days (which is a magnificent effort)...but can't chalk up cricket scores. Those endless side to side 3 man pods in the red zone are minimal risk, but minimal reward.
    Do you always have to generalise all irish fans.....
    Have yet to watch match so cant comment but is there any ref at all that most fans "can endure"? Nearly all will be disliked for some reason or other.

    I agree we should be questioning why Ireland are having so many games with high possession and territory but few scores. Questions have to be asked why we cant score more? It is coming from players not able to .... or is it coming from coach not wanting players to "play"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭mangobob


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    So you won...but the thread is still littered with complaints about the ref :confused: Are there any refs at all that Irish fans can endure??

    At this rate it wont be long until the number of posts complaining about the ref are exceeded by the number of posts complaining about people complaining about the ref.

    Just give it time :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Based on what?

    Getting caught out of position on the defensive line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    amcalester wrote: »
    Getting caught out of position on the defensive line.

    When?

    And yes, that's a loaded question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Yes they can sometimes.
    Sorry, I since edited and expanded on that post. Indeed they can 'sometimes', but the very deliberate inconsistency in applying these was appalling.

    Inconsistency in a bunch of rules can be down to pressure of the fans or split second decisions and is the case across all sports... fans will b*tch and moan but that's the nature of sports, and refs can't be perfect. But when you decide time and again to let one team off on it and let them know you saw them do it, but insist on multiple TMO replays to find and card as soon as the opponent does it, well something reeks there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    mangobob wrote: »
    At this rate it wont be long until the number of posts complaining about the ref are exceeded by the number of posts complaining about people complaining about the ref.

    Just give it time :p

    Can you please stop complaining about people complaining about people complaining about the ref!? :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    So you won...but the thread is still littered with complaints about the ref :confused: Are there any refs at all that Irish fans can endure??

    Jaco Peyper


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Buer wrote: »
    When?

    And yes, that's a loaded question.

    About 80 seconds in to the match.

    In the Italy game he was at fault for their 3rd try (iirc).

    I know this is nitpicking but Ireland are dominating possession in most matches and Leavy has been caught out twice in recent matches.

    Would it be more in matches we’re not dominating?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Is a deliberate knock on a yellow card, though?

    Yes

    If unsure listen to explanation from the ref when he rightly gave McGrath a yellow card for doing it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    amcalester wrote: »
    About 80 seconds in to the match.

    Wasn't his man or his tackle to make. He could have reacted and taken Beale down but that would have been great covering by him. He was tracking Foley. No player on the field was going to adjust to take Beale down on that cut. The drift was covering that.


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