Denmark bans full face veils.

greencap · 01-06-2018 12:50am #1

''DENMARK HAS BECOME the latest European country to ban the Islamic full-face veil in public spaces in a move slammed by human rights campaigners as “a violation of women’s rights”.

“Anyone who wears a garment that hides the face in public will be punished with a fine,” says the law, which was passed by 75 votes to 30 in the Danish parliament.

Presented by the centre-right government, the legislation was also backed by the Social Democrats and the far-right Danish People’s Party.

The new rule will take effect on 1 August...''

http://www.thejournal.ie/denmark-burqa-banned-4047357-May2018/

A growing trend worldwide, Quebec brought something similar in for public services recently iirc.

GreeBo · 01-06-2018 12:53am

I can't wait to see the expression on Islamic womens faces when they hear this!

riffmongous · 01-06-2018 1:00am

It's also a handy law to sneak in a way to ban demonstrators from hiding their faces

dreamers75 · 01-06-2018 1:00am

greencap wrote: »

in a move slammed by human rights campaigners as “a violation of women’s rights”.

But forcing them to wear them isnt

DickSwiveller · 01-06-2018 1:13am

dreamers75 wrote: »

But forcing them to wear them isnt

What if they want to wear it?

Kimbot · 01-06-2018 1:14am

Guess I'm not going to Denmark so

DickSwiveller · 01-06-2018 1:14am

I'm very wary of governments telling people what they can or can't wear. Fair enough if they are working in the public service, but if its in a private capacity I don't see a problem.

2 Scoops · 01-06-2018 1:15am

"Violations of Women's rights"

Did they ever ask themselves why the veils are black nylon in the awful middle east heat and not white gauze, they are a form of punishment and the sooner they disappear from that cult the better

greencap · 01-06-2018 1:21am

I bet the UK wouldn't have the balls to do it.

AllForIt · 01-06-2018 1:23am

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I'm very wary of governments telling people what they can or can't wear. Fair enough if they are working in the public service, but if its in a private capacity I don't see a problem.

Is there any other fashion issues on the cards that governments wish to get rid off?

Marlow · 01-06-2018 1:25am

Ok .. let's put things in the clear first: I'm a danish citizen, Denmark is my home, I live in ireland and I don't agree with the way things have gone in Denmark especially in the last 10 years.

Denmark has turned very much right wing.

BUT ... Denmark has generally a very socialistic and open political view.

Because of Demarks very socialistic views and the way the system works, it's often exploited by immigrants. In ways that are beyond belief (social welfare, tax credits, etc).

It's build up the point, that there are extremist islamic ghettos in urban areas, that he police can't even get into, if there are issues (due to violence).

So yes .. this results in extreme political kick back.

Then there is the story of the anti-islamic cartoons a few years back, that resulted in a complete boycott of danish products in islamic regions. Here's the fun part: those were a re-print. Why didn't this happen the first time around ?

So ... yes, I don't necessarily agree with the political views at home at the moment .. but .. there's always 2 sides to the story. One extreme leads to another. And to be honest, the islamic community of primarly asylum seeking immigrants, that came to Denmark for it's social security, has caused these laws. They came to Denmark, didn't respect the culture there, so now they're forced.

But they would expect us to respect THEIR culture 100%, if we entered their country. Or they would penalise us. (Try, being a woman, go to a muslim country and don't wear a veil in public and see what happens. The newspapers don't write much about that).

That law is nothing compared to what they do to us in their country.

That's my 2c on it. Like it or not.

/M

DickSwiveller · 01-06-2018 1:25am

AllForIt wrote: »

Is there any other fashion issues on the cards that governments wish to get rid off?

Don't think so. But were discussing the face veil.

Yer Da sells Avon · 01-06-2018 1:29am

Marlow wrote: »

So ... yes, I don't necessarily agree with the political views at home at the moment .. but .. there's always 2 sides to the story. One extreme leads to another. And to be honest, the islamic community of primarly asylum seeking immigrants, that came to Denmark for it's social security, has caused these laws. They came to Denmark, didn't respect the culture there, so now they're forced.

So it's essentially a symbolic "fuck you" to Muslims.

Marlow · 01-06-2018 1:31am

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

So it's essentially a symbolic "fuck you" to Muslims.

With the way our right wing government thinks ...: YES !

It's: as long as you don't respect our culture, even in your country ... we won't respect your culture in our country ... because you've taken the piss now. It has been coming over a period of more than 10 years ... and they've caused it themselves with the agro. It's the extremists, that ruin it for the overall community.

Danes are very liberal, but also very nationalistic and patriotic.

/M

riffmongous · 01-06-2018 1:36am

Marlow wrote: »

With the way our right wing government thinks ...: YES !

It's: as long as you don't respect our culture, even in your country ... we won't respect your culture in our country ... because you've taken the piss now. It has been coming over a period of more than 10 years ... and they've caused it themselves with the agro. It's the extremists, that ruin it for the overall community.

Danes are very liberal, but also very nationalistic and patriotic.

/M

What do you think of this article? Reasonable/biased? I just saw it a few days ago and it seemed a bit odd for the Indo

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/not-so-hygge-why-denmark-is-no-cosy-place-for-migrants-36943770.html

DickSwiveller · 01-06-2018 1:39am

Marlow wrote: »

With the way our right wing government thinks ...: YES !

It's: as long as you don't respect our culture, even in your country ... we won't respect your culture in our country ... because you've taken the piss now. It has been coming over a period of more than 10 years ... and they've caused it themselves with the agro. It's the extremists, that ruin it for the overall community.

Danes are very liberal, but also very nationalistic and patriotic.

/M

Do you not think you should hold your country to higher standards than Saudi Arabia or Iran?

purplepanda · 01-06-2018 1:41am

Should be illegal to cover your face in any public place especially public transport, that applies to everyone including demonstrators.

Wearing a head & neck covering is more than enough for those that want to dress modesty.

Marlow · 01-06-2018 1:53am

riffmongous wrote: »

What do you think of this article? Reasonable/biased? I just saw it a few days ago and it seemed a bit odd for the Indo

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/not-so-hygge-why-denmark-is-no-cosy-place-for-migrants-36943770.html

I've only quickly skimmed it, but it sounds about right. I left Denmark about 20 years ago and have lived quite a few years abroad since in various countries. I'm over 14 years in Ireland now.

I'm married to a Brazilian and I couldn't bring her home, even if I wanted to.

The reason for this is, the danish social system has been exploited by immigrants for decades. It got to the point, that the right wing got actual foot-hold in the goverment, so that now I couldn't even move back home and on the basis of family (or marriage) could get my wife a visa.

On the upside, I got married in Denmark (with my brazilian wife) in December. It took all but one week to get it all sorted (would actually only have taken 24 hours, if we were residents).

In Ireland, it takes 3 months notice to get married and a tourist visa only lasts 3 months. Make the maths yourself. On the upside, once you're married, your partner is guaranteed a Family Visa (Fam 4 EU Visa). It's matter of fact the easiest country to get an EU Visa for married couples, where the partner is from outside of the EU. Any other country will cause you nightmares.

And other nordic countries will cause you even worse troubles than Denmark as an immigrant. The system just won't take it any more. That's were these laws come from. People have had enough of immigrants abusing their gratitude.

Here's the fun factor: Once my wife has lived 5 years in Ireland, she can apply for irish citizenship. If she gets that, we can move to Denmark if we want and they can't deny her. Being an EU citizen and all. The UK will be a nightmare very soon because of Brexit. More than any other place.

I was told, that I had to sign a document at our wedding ceremony, acknowledging, that she wouldn't get a visa. I pointed that fact out to them and they didn't even bother

It's knowing the system and how to deal with it. Abusing it and you get screwed over eventually. Don't accept the culture and you get f***cked.

/M

Marlow · 01-06-2018 2:04am

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Do you not think you should hold your country to higher standards than Saudi Arabia or Iran?

I think every person should accept the cultural consequences of the country that they elect to move to.

Saudi Arabians and Iran expect us to adhere to their culture, when we visit or live there. Why can't we expect the same, when they come to our countries ?

Looking at it from that perspective, all European countries are extremely liberal and relaxed to other cultures. Even with laws like this being introduced.

It doesn't mean, that I approve of the law, but gives you a picture, where it comes from.

/M

s7ryf3925pivug · 01-06-2018 2:38am

The explicit reasons for wearing it:
1. So men are not aroused by them.
2. Female modesty

This implies:
1. For a woman, displaying your face is giving permission to be viewed sexually
2. Women who don't cover their face are immodest

I view the above as being unacceptable viewpoints in western society. Therefore I agree with burqa bans in western countries.

derfderf · 01-06-2018 2:43am

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What if they want to wear it?

What if i want to wear a balaclava?

s7ryf3925pivug · 01-06-2018 2:49am

greencap wrote: »

'slammed by human rights campaigners as “a violation of women’s rights”.

Bizarre PoV. The nordic countries are the most progressive in the world when it comes to women's rights. Islamic notions of female modesty are some of the most regressive. Burqas are dehumanising.

justshane · 01-06-2018 3:03am

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I'm very wary of governments telling people what they can or can't wear. Fair enough if they are working in the public service, but if its in a private capacity I don't see a problem.

If I decided to walk around Dublin with a balaclava on I would give it around ten minutes before the Gaurds caught up with me, and rightly so.

Canis Lupus · 01-06-2018 4:58am

justshane wrote: »

If I decided to walk around Dublin with a balaclava on I would give it around ten minutes before the Gaurds caught up with me, and rightly so.

Honestly in winter I doubt it unless you decide on making a withdrawal at a bank.

Graces7 · 01-06-2018 5:08am

Marlow wrote: »

to.
every person should accept the cultural consequences of the country that they elect to move to.

Saudi Arabians and Iran expect us to adhere to their culture, when we visit or live there. Why can't we expect the same, when they come to our countries ?

Looking at it from that perspective, all European countries are extremely liberal and relaxed to other cultures. Even with laws like this being introduced.

It doesn't mean, that I approve of the law, but gives you a picture, where it comes from.

/M

Heaven forbid! We need the dilution.

and second quote; you think so? interesting.

Graces7 · 01-06-2018 5:17am

Rudy Immense Lambskin wrote: »

Bizarre PoV. The nordic countries are the most progressive in the world when it comes to women's rights. Islamic notions of female modesty are some of the most regressive. Burqas are dehumanising.

For you they might be. For those wearing them not.

Graces7 · 01-06-2018 5:19am

Rudy Immense Lambskin wrote: »

The explicit reasons for wearing it:
1. So men are not aroused by them.
2. Female modesty

This implies:
1. For a woman, displaying your face is giving permission to be viewed sexually
2. Women who don't cover their face are immodest

I view the above as being unacceptable viewpoints in western society. Therefore I agree with burqa bans in western countries.

More modesty here would be a good thing. Rather than the current over exposure of bare flesh.. and all that that leads to

Mrtestosterone · 01-06-2018 5:20am

Graces7 wrote: »

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For you they might be. For those wearing them not.

Women are forced to wear them because men are ashamed by women just like Allah has said. When Afghanistan was ruled by taliban, windows were blacked out in buildings where women grouped together to prevent the shame of the public seeing the woman. It is a fact, do a few minutes of research and you will see that it is.

Mrtestosterone · 01-06-2018 5:20am

Graces7 wrote: »

More modesty here would be a good thing. Rather than the current over exposure of bare flesh.. and all that that leads to

Who doesn't like a bit of orgy

Canis Lupus · 01-06-2018 5:26am

Graces7 wrote: »

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For you they might be. For those wearing them not.

What about muslim women who don't want to wear them?

01-06-2018 5:30am

Graces7 wrote: »

More modesty here would be a good thing. Rather than the current over exposure of bare flesh.. and all that that leads to

What does it lead to?

Denmark bans full face veils.

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