Cameron Reilly Murder

Gatling · 28-05-2018 09:16PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Charged with murder? Sorry but that's hyperbolic. Being there and not intervening is not on the same spectrum whatsoever. Only one person fully responsible and that's the person who did it.

And anyone who stood and watched are pathetic cowards and should be considered assories and face criminal charges .

Actually what we need is a real good Samaritan law that's actually enforced failing to enact a meaningful rescue should be punished this bolloxolgy of standing around recording crimes for FB should be punished

28-05-2018 09:19PM

Aineoil wrote: »

I agree with you totally. Someone was a murderer. But those who witnessed it are culpable too. How to deal with that I don't know

Apologies, I got you mixed up with someone else. I believe they are culpable possibly. I was moreso referring to this line of thinking though, I disagree with it;

Magnolia Quick Snowstorm wrote: »

If it's true, they all need to be charged with murder.

Aineoil · 28-05-2018 09:23PM

Does anyone know where Irish law stands on where someone may witness s crime but is not involved?

28-05-2018 09:24PM

Gatling wrote: »

And anyone who stood and watched are pathetic cowards

Not disagreeing.

and should be considered accessories and face criminal charges.

Quite possibly. The fact he was left there and no assistance was called would have me agreeing with you.

Actually what we need is a real good Samaritan law that's actually enforced failing to enact a meaningful rescue should be punished this bolloxolgy of standing around recording crimes for FB should be punished

That's where it gets sketchy. How many times have ya heard of a fella and a girl arguing and a good Samaritan gets involved... only to be rounded upon by both parties and get a hiding themselves. That recording on phones thing is vile though, like something from dystopian Black Mirror. A sickness

Captain Obvious · 28-05-2018 09:25PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Apologies, I got you mixed up with someone else. I believe they are culpable possibly. I was moreso referring to this line of thinking though, I disagree with it;

Depends on the circumstances. If they were standing around cheering him on I don't think a murder charge would be way off.

Aineoil · 28-05-2018 09:26PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Apologies, I got you mixed up with someone else. I believe they are culpable possibly. I was moreso referring to this line of thinking though, I disagree with it;

No worries. I am confused myself.

wexie · 28-05-2018 09:27PM

Gatling wrote: »

Actually what we need is a real good Samaritan law that's actually enforced failing to enact a meaningful rescue should be punished this bolloxolgy of standing around recording crimes for FB should be punished

Would be a complete legal minefield

TomOnBoard · 28-05-2018 09:32PM

Gatling wrote: »

And anyone who stood and watched are pathetic cowards and should be considered assories and face criminal charges .

Actually what we need is a real good Samaritan law that's actually enforced failing to enact a meaningful rescue should be punished this bolloxolgy of standing around recording crimes for FB should be punished

No Good Samaritan law could force a person to enact a rescue. They're only ever enacted to protect a person from other charges if they choose to be a Good Samaritan, I think.

Summer wind · 28-05-2018 09:49PM

This is such a very sad story. I know they said in the news that "a man" of 18 had been killed but he doesn't look like a man to me. He looks so young and he had his whole life ahead of him. A life that has now been taken away from him by a rotten cowardly person. It's unbelievable that something like this can happen. What kind of complete psychopath could have done this. If there were other people watching this murder happening they must be the biggest pack of cowardly bastards ever.
His family must be absolutely heartbroken. It must be like a living nightmare for them especially as Cameron was an only child. I very much hope that the evil bastard who killed Cameron is found and when he is he should never again see the light of day. May Cameron Rest In Peace.

Rezident · 28-05-2018 10:01PM

Aineoil wrote: »

Does anyone know where Irish law stands on where someone may witness s crime but is not involved?

If they are not involved then they should answer the gardai's call for information and come forward with what they know immediately.

There is no law against being an innocent bystander but if they do know something, and they do not come forward this may help the killer get away with it for now.

They could at least bring some closure for the family who are suffering horrendously, if they do not come forward then this will live with them forever and will almost certainly cause mental health issues for them, unless they have zero empathy which is very rare (psycopathy).

Assetbacked · 28-05-2018 10:11PM

Lackey wrote: »

If it turns out that he was murdered in front of his 'friends' and no one helped him they should all be done for it. Scum.

This.

And as well, it seems the perpetrators, if the same age, are not children so will be named and have to deal with that. As well, trialed like adults and hopefully will bare the full brunt of the law. Life should mean life in horrific murders like these.

Suckit · 28-05-2018 10:37PM

There was a vigil held for him today.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hundreds-attend-vigil-in-support-of-tragic-cameron-reillys-family-36955801.html

If he was murdered in front of a group, as the Gardaí suspect, I wonder if any of the people that watched him die, were at his vigil.

"Very quiet" seems to be the way most are describing him.

uck51js9zml2yt · 28-05-2018 10:46PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Apologies, I got you mixed up with someone else. I believe they are culpable possibly. I was moreso referring to this line of thinking though, I disagree with it;

If they stood by and watched him being murdered, they are as guilty of his murder and the perpetrator.

Ush1 · 28-05-2018 10:53PM

Horrific, don't know what's going on with young people in Ireland.

The ones who watched will see his face when they close their eyes at night till the day they die.

Suckit · 28-05-2018 10:54PM

Could the Gardaí start arresting, or bringing in the people in the CCTV for questioning? One by one or a few at a time, I am sure someone out of 20 would break quickly enough.

Or are the Gardaí hands tied to who they can and cannot bring in for questioning. Some of the people may also be under 18.

28-05-2018 10:55PM

Magnolia Quick Snowstorm wrote: »

If they stood by and watched him being murdered, they are as guilty of his murder and the perpetrator.

You're wrong, they're not. Absolutely and unequivocally they are not. You'd be dangerous on a jury. They may be guilty of obstructing the law or failing a duty of care.

I find it absolutely horrendous that this poor fella was left there over night when there were apparently up to 20 people at the scene at the time. Nobody called an ambulance. Left to be discovered like roadkill. Absolutely heartbreaking. I'd say there's some major intimidation at play from 'known' scumbags or something.

TomOnBoard · 28-05-2018 10:59PM

Suckit wrote: »

Could the Gardaí start arresting, or bringing in the people in the CCTV for questioning? One by one or a few at a time, I am sure someone out of 20 would break quickly enough.

Or are the Gardaí hands tied to who they can and cannot bring in for questioning. Some of the people may also be under 18.

I'd fully agree with the sentiment in your 1st paragraph.

Gardai can ask anyone questions if they believe they can help or provide info. However, the person being questioned can say nothing (or "No Comment") if they choose. If the person is under 18, they would usually be entitled to be accompanied by an adult. Everyone is entitled to be accompanied by a solicitor if they choose.

uck51js9zml2yt · 28-05-2018 11:01PM

Omackeral wrote: »

You're wrong, they're not. Absolutely and unequivocally they are not. You'd be dangerous on a jury. They may be guilty of obstructing the law or failing a duty of care.

I find it absolutely horrendous that this poor fella was left there over night when there were apparently up to 20 people at the scene at the time. Nobody called an ambulance. Left to be discovered like roadkill. Absolutely heartbreaking. I'd say there's some major intimidation at play from 'known' scumbags or something.

So what do you call it when up to 20 people stand by and watch someone being murdered and then walk away?

Calling it "intimidation" is rather simplistic.

28-05-2018 11:06PM

Magnolia Quick Snowstorm wrote: »

So what do you call it when up to 20 people stand by and watch someone being murdered and then walk away?

Calling it "intimidation" is rather simplistic.

I don't know but it's not murder. They're not murderers because they were there. I'll give you an example, in 2006 there was a case in Mountjoy Prison where a young man named Gary Douche was murdered in a holding cell by a man called Stephen Egan. It was a violent and brutal end at the hands of a lunatic. There were multiple other people in the cell when it happened and none of them intervened. Should they be serving life too?

Suckit · 28-05-2018 11:07PM

Omackeral wrote: »

You're wrong, they're not. Absolutely and unequivocally they are not. You'd be dangerous on a jury. They may be guilty of obstructing the law or failing a duty of care.

I find it absolutely horrendous that this poor fella was left there over night when there were apparently up to 20 people at the scene at the time. Nobody called an ambulance. Left to be discovered like roadkill. Absolutely heartbreaking. I'd say there's some major intimidation at play from 'known' scumbags or something.

I cannot get my head around the fact that nobody called an ambulance or Gardaí, even anonymously. A large part of me wonders if there was a group, or if he was alone.

Would a headlock be considered strangling?
Is it possible that this could have been the 'choking game' gone wrong? Everybody there may have thought that they were equally responsible and that may be why nothing was said.
Although it does not really explain his phone going missing or nobody ringing for help.

GreeBo · 28-05-2018 11:11PM

With 20 people present someone will break and come forward.

sonic85 · 28-05-2018 11:21PM

Really takes a special kind of c*nt to stand there and watch someone being murdered. Even worse to all just f*ck off and leave the poor lad in the field. Charges of some description need to be leveled at this crowd.

There's something going seriously wrong with lots of young people today. Something missing upstairs

Suckit · 28-05-2018 11:22PM

I wonder if it was anything like this.

http://zeenews.india.com/india/blue-whale-challenge-choking-game-and-other-deadly-online-crazes-2032167.html

Choking Game Choking game, also known as the knockout challenge and the fainting game, is another deadly social media game that has enthralled teenagers across the world. This game has been existing for over two decades, with several studies being conducted around it.
Children and adolescents – sometimes alone or in groups - try to strangle themselves, getting a "rush of euphoria" while regaining consciousness. The goal is to restrict blood flow to the brain and reach the point or actually lose consciousness. The game can cause severe brain damage and in some cases, death.

While it is still horrific it would be more palatable if it was kids playing an innocent game that went wrong..

RacoonQueen · 28-05-2018 11:25PM

What the hell is happening in this country these last few weeks. I can't even sum it up. This is unreal.

Suckit wrote: »

I wonder if it was anything like this.

http://zeenews.india.com/india/blue-whale-challenge-choking-game-and-other-deadly-online-crazes-2032167.html

While it is still horrific it would be more palatable if it was kids playing an innocent game that went wrong..

Don't think so as Indo article has this

"At this stage, it appears that a row occurred which led to his death, but the motive has not yet been established.

"Gardaí believe a number of people may have been present when Cameron was murdered, and would urge them to come forward," the source told Independent.ie.

McMurphy · 28-05-2018 11:26PM

I despair for my children growing up, I seriously do.

I'm on the wrong end of my 30s, but I seriously don't recall my earlier life being so dangerous as what it must be to kids finding their way in life now.

This story has made me angry tbh.

Happy4all · 28-05-2018 11:28PM

Is it still possible to track the iPhone?

Would calls and text still be available tru network provider without the handset?

uck51js9zml2yt · 28-05-2018 11:30PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I don't know but it's not murder. They're not murderers because they were there. I'll give you an example, in 2006 there was a case in Mountjoy Prison where a young man named Gary Douche was murdered in a holding cell by a man called Stephen Egan. It was a violent and brutal end at the hands of a lunatic. There were multiple other people in the cell when it happened and none of them intervened. Should they be serving life too?

They stood there and did nothing to stop it. It makes them complicate in the murder.
Following orders isn't an excuse.
The people who saw Gary douche killed were also complicate.

28-05-2018 11:44PM

Magnolia Quick Snowstorm wrote: »

They stood there and did nothing to stop it. It makes them complicate in the murder.
Following orders isn't an excuse.
The people who saw Gary douche killed were also complicate.

They were in fear for their own lives as it happened, that's what the court found. None were ever charged. Anyway, your argument is that being there and not stopping it is the same as carrying out the murder. It's simply not. There are phenomenons known as thebystander effect and diffusion of responsibility that you can read up on.

Again, not excusing anyone, just making the point that being there does not equal being a murderer. It's an emotional and horrific thing that happened and emotions are running high. But emotions don't trump the law.

I think it's heinous that poor lad was left all alone and if lesser charges are brought against people, then good.

TomOnBoard · 28-05-2018 11:45PM

Happy4all wrote: »

Is it still possible to track the iPhone?

Would calls and text still be available tru network provider without the handset?

The first question ought not be answered for obvious reasons..there's an ongoing investigation.

Time stamped calls and text numbers made from the phone exist somewhere in the provider's system. Calls to the phone would exist in the system of the provider of the service used to call the phone.

Lashes28 · 28-05-2018 11:53PM

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-quiz-three-young-people-12613055

They are questioning three people now

Cameron Reilly Murder

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