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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #3752
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    Are abortions going to be provided for free in cases where the pregnancy is without issue ? Maybe on the medical card?


  • #3753
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    As I said the optics of the cheering looks appalling given the sensitivity around the subject of the unborn. This referendum was completely different to marriage equality with complex difficult sensitive issues. It was deeply devisive. And then you had a rent a mob cheering at count centres as if Ireland had won the soccer world cup.
    I can only put it down to immaturity.

    It’s one day worth of celebrating. I’m sure you’ll get over it. People feel like they’ve contributed to something monumental. Also you don’t know the reasons why some people were celebrating. Maybe they have personal reasons. It was one day of people feeling they made a difference, got drunk and had a bit of craic. It’s not like from now on every time a woman has an abortion there’s going to be a piss up at Dublin castle.


  • #3754
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    captbarnacles wrote: »
    Not as ridiculous as you. Where do the 'unborn' reside usually?

    The cheering is in fine and normal - not one person is cheering abortion - they are cheering they have the ultimate right to make decisions about their body and not the state.

    You lost. Legislation will be brought in and you will never think of it again.

    The "You lost" immature response. It wasn't me who lost. I have quite a happy life.
    Those who lost are the victims of unrestricted abortion. They lost.


  • #3755
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Trade unionist is David beg I believe

    I didnt see where he asked the question. Like all posters its hard to balance keeping up with this thread and normal life. But yes Begg is the trade unionist.


  • #3756
    BenEadir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭BenEadir


    c montgomery wrote: »
    Are abortions going to be provided for free in cases where the pregnancy is without issue ? Maybe on the medical card?


    Why not? Should abortion only be available to those who can afford it privately?


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  • #3757
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    BenEadir wrote: »
    Why not? Should abortion only be available to those who can afford it privately?

    Yes, like any other unnecessary procedure.


  • #3758
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    They won't go away whilst their American funders are still sending them money to promote whatever agenda they desire.

    This chestnut about Iona funding.
    Amnesty was accused of getting funding from Soros for its repeal campaign. I don't hear you shouting about that.

    It's was like the yes voters exercised about No posters near the polling stations. They didn't complain about the yes posters on the same lamp posts.


  • #3759
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    c montgomery wrote: »
    Yes

    Back to wanting to punish those on low incomes then, I see.
    Would you not wager that those who can’t afford to pay for such services are perhaps those in most dire need of it?


  • #3760
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with being intolerant towards intolerance

    We're not talking about racism but thank you for your contribution.


  • #3761
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Back to wanting to punish those on low incomes then, I see.
    Would you not wager that those who can’t afford to pay for such services are perhaps those in most dire need of it?

    Yawn, you dont know the answer then. Thats ok, I'll find out tomorrow.


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  • #3762
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    We're not talking about racism but thank you for your contribution.

    Yes, mod


  • #3763
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Haylee Purple Showboat wrote: »
    ......

    It's was like the yes voters exercised about No posters near the polling stations. They didn't complain about the yes posters on the same lamp posts.


    Which posters on lamp posts had the medical images again ?

    The ones that showed some "no" voters what the campaigners were really like and caused them to change their mind ?


  • #3764
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Trade unionist is David beg I believe

    Thanks.

    He's retired as head of ictu, what union does he still hold membership with, do you know, can't find mention of it so far with a quick search as Mandate etc voiced their support for repeal.

    But yes as a former head of the ICTU he didn't support repeal from what I did find.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/brendan-howlin-clashes-with-ex-ictu-boss-begg-over-referendum-1.3502938


  • #3765
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    spoonerhead wrote: »
    Crumlin getting a 82% yes shows the decency in this area. We are a hard working area that’s been blighted by a minority. Proud to be part of such great people.

    Aithnar cara i gcruat

    As a Crumlin native it sickened my hole to see what they did at Bernadettes putting "pro-life" posters at the polling station entrance. It didn't seem to sway anyone but it just makes the RCC look like tools who want to threaten people.

    Which they are :)

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #3766
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Which posters on lamp posts had the medical images again ?

    None of the ones I saw around the station I worked at.


  • #3767
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    c montgomery wrote: »
    Yes, like any other unnecessary procedure.

    The medical community considers it a necessary- sometimes critical- procedure. Your disagreement with that isn't really relevant, unless you're a medic.


  • #3768
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Well done. As a ni unionist I wish we should do the same.


  • #3769
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    end of the road wrote: »
    we didn't have abortion on demand legally availible in ireland though. having to travel to england doesn't equal ireland having abortion on demand given we are 2 separate countries with different legislation and different government and structures.

    Its a short hop away and if it wasnt available this would have been settled years ago. (similar to our pretence of neutrality)

    I dont like abortion, I had a close friend at college who went to England and regretted it greatly afterward. It is my one small and currently very unfashionable story.

    But the 8th amendment is unworkable, we cannot legislate to force women to do what they do not want to do.
    It is also just not possible to legislate into the constitution of the country for all possible situations that women and doctors may face.


  • #3770
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    I didnt see where he asked the question. Like all posters its hard to balance keeping up with this thread and normal life. But yes Begg is the trade unionist.



    Here you go.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107116425&postcount=3741

    I think we're still waiting on you to provide proof for your earlier statement that the rules around access to abortion in the UK are constantly abused.


  • #3771
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Thanks.

    He's retired as head of ictu, what union does he still hold membership with, do you know, can't find mention of it so far with a quick search as Mandate etc voiced their support for repeal.

    But yes as a former head of the ICTU he didn't support repeal from what I did find.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/brendan-howlin-clashes-with-ex-ictu-boss-begg-over-referendum-1.3502938

    He's a lifelong trade unionist and about as far removed from iona as you could get. Well spoken too. I would have liked to see him invited on to speak on rte and tv3 including debates. I guess he wasn't box office enough or enough of a hate figure to make for good tv.


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  • #3772
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    reubenreuben wrote: »
    Why are you so concerned about women who you don't even know?
    Does it give you a feeling of power and satisfaction that you can decide what women should do with their own bodies.

    Your ad hominem laden question makes no sense. Rephrase it without the implied insult and I'll happily address it.
    The people have spoken so you are in a minority.

    Aye, which is why I said:
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    A wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it.


  • #3773
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Shurimgreat wrote:
    As I said the optics of the cheering looks appalling given the sensitivity around the subject of the unborn. This referendum was completely different to marriage equality with complex difficult sensitive issues. It was deeply devisive. And then you had a rent a mob cheering at count centres as if Ireland had won the soccer world cup. I can only put it down to immaturity.


    You can view it however you want, I'm sure the pro lifers would have made sure to pack out Dublin Castle too had they won and would have cheered their victory just as loud despite the repercussions of their actions, I wouldn't have been happy they won but they'd have had a right to celebrate the victory.

    The result is the culmination of 35 years of campaigning for some, I personally went to the castle, I've been attending protests about the 8th and writing to my TD's about the issue since my teens, why shouldn't I be happy that it's paid off, and we as a nation have progressed? when you've been committed to a cause for so long it's natural to want to celebrate when you succeed. Begrudging that is sour grapes.
    I don't celebrate abortion, I hope no one I know has to go through that, I wish those I know who have travelled in the past never had to, but I am grateful that if someone I know needs to they can now avail of abortion here, where they belong, surrounded by people who know and support them and free of stigma and shame. That's worth celebrating in my book.


  • #3774
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Here you go.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107116425&postcount=3741

    I think we're still waiting on you to provide proof for your earlier statement that the rules around access to abortion in the UK are constantly abused.

    Yep here you go.

    lifecharity.org.uk/news-and-views/abortion-law-facts

    98% of abortions in the UK are carried out under Ground C.

    In other studies a large number of abortions are carried out for "socio-economic" reasons. A crossover between the two in other words. Would you consider socio-economic reasons to equate to mental health grounds?


  • #3775
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    c montgomery wrote: »
    Yes, like any other unnecessary procedure.

    Sorry to break it to you, but yes your taxes are going to be spent on providing this often necessary service when required as I'd say will be covered under the medical card for those that require it.


  • #3776
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Yep here you go.

    lifecharity.org.uk/news-and-views/abortion-law-facts

    98% of abortions in the UK are carried out under Ground C.

    In other studies a large number of abortions are carried out for "socio-economic" reasons. A crossover between the two in other words. Would you consider socio-economic reasons to equate to mental health grounds?

    No I mean actual scientific facts not pro life propaganda, this one was proven to be bs if you were reading the threads before the vote.


  • #3777
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Sorry to break it to you, but yes your taxes are going to be spent on providing this often necessary service when required as I'd say will be covered under the medical card for those that require it.

    My question is still unanswered, in healty pregnancy will abortions be provided free of charge.


  • #3778
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    The medical community considers it a necessary- sometimes critical- procedure. Your disagreement with that isn't really relevant, unless you're a medic.

    Thanks but my question was about healthy pregnancy not one considered necessary.


  • #3779
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    c montgomery wrote:
    My question is still unanswered, in healty pregnancy will abortions be provided free of charge.


    We don't know that yet. I posted previously that for people on med cards they will possibly be covered in the same way as other gp services and for those who pay gp expenses themselves they will probably continue to do so.
    I imagine that emergency terminations for ffa or threat to the mother will be part of standard maternity services and depending if the patient is public or private will be billed accordingly


  • #3780
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    We don't know that yet. I posted previously that for people on med cards they will possibly be covered in the same way as other gp services and for those who pay gp expenses themselves they will probably continue to do so.
    I imagine that emergency terminations for ffa or threat to the mother will be part of standard maternity services and depending if the patient is public or private will be billed accordingly

    Thank you.


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  • #3781
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    No I mean actual scientific facts not pro life propaganda, this one was proven to be bs if you were reading the threads before the vote.

    do you deny that it is de facto abortion on request in Britain?


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